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I've played a bit on EpicMafia but this is my first time playing the forum game. I'll try to do my best! | ||
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On June 07 2011 02:18 flamewheel wrote: Non-Stereotypical Unabomber They call you the Unabomber because you only have one bomb. Even with the lowered costs of materials these days, the economy is tough, so you haven't found the money to be able to construct a second bomb. But your one bomb is pretty potent. At night, you can choose to place your bomb at somebody's house. If you are killed, the bomb detonates, (hopefully) killing the inhabitant. The bomb is equivalent to one hit. You may choose at night to suicide in order to detonate your bomb. You may place and detonate (by suicide) in the same night.. Does the bomb kill only the inhabitant, or does it kill the people that are visiting the person as well? | ||
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Oh, right. I should've read more carefully. ._. | ||
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On June 14 2011 22:35 youngminii wrote: Quelling any form of discussion is terrible, if not scummy. The best way to analyse people is if said people are making discussion, it's very tough to analyse something that's not there. In any case, RoL's plan makes absolutely no sense to me. Who knows, maybe you'll find a scum or two, good luck with whatever you're trying to do. aidnai, you can have my spot on the list if you wish, I don't wish to be there at all. I agree with you in that BC shouldn't have told the medics not to save people on the list, leaving that opportunity open (and unspoken) gives scum wifom as to whether or not they should kill us. Instead, BC's taken this away and is hoping that they won't kill us in case they look suspicious(??). I don't even understand why it's suspicious to kill us, if I was scum I'd kill the vets straight away knowing they wouldn't be protected. Quelling discussion during N0 isn't necessarily a bad thing. In fact, there is nothing we can accomplish with discussion now that we can't do during D1. With this in mind, we should refrain from posting so that we don't accidentally give away any blue roles to the Mafia. Anyway, I had my graduation today and I am going out with some friends. I will be back to read the thread tomorrow evening. | ||
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At first I felt that youngminii's case against ILJ was a bit weak. The "ifs" and "unless of course" could just be an effect of N0. Since we didn't have anything to go on, I can understand him not wanting to make any hard statements. Now, what really makes him seem scummy to me is this defense: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2011 14:52 ilovejonn wrote: hokay there buddy. First off, I'm not going to make a rebuttal out of every point you made because clearly with your PbPA you're stretching a lot of points to justify a conclusion you already had in mind beforehand with posts that don't actually add anything. Also, don't try to do a meta-read on me, I might be playing different because I want to, I may be playing different because I've learned a few things, I might like to use "I think" or "unless of course" because I deemed it necessary to show that I am unsure (it was n0 after all). When you meta read someone, you're heavily biased to see what you wanted to see in the first place anyways. Let's read one of those points: What makes you say a townie wouldn't do that? Wait a minute, I read my post again and what? You take those words out of context and shape them into something that you deem scummy. I lol'd. It also seems to be a recurring theme in your analysis. I'm done here because I don't want to waste time defending myself when I could possibly find scum, but I like the direction you're going for generating discussion since there aren't any posts since Day 1 started, so thanks. + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2011 15:31 ilovejonn wrote: Tell me again why a townie would not say those things. Everything I said was to include an extra option to show that you should not do something straight forward and instead be flexible based on what might happen in the future. And you're telling me a townie wouldn't say it out, biased much. Going to sleep see you in a few hours. During my games in EpicMafia the "Why wouldn't I have done that?"-defense is the one that I've seen the most times. Some of you might say that EM is a totally different game, but I believe that the behaviour of scum is quite similar in both games. I don't like the use of this defense at all. It just makes him seem altogether more scummy to me. | ||
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ilovejonn - The most suspicious one in my eyes. I think that the meta-read by YM together with the poor defense put up by him makes him look scummy. Furthermore, after reading mig's observation concerning him, I am even more convinced that he is indeed scum. sinani206 - I don't like his hypocrisy and his contentless posting, but I still feel that ILJ is a better lynch. For now, I am placing my vote on ILJ. I will read through the thread once again when I come back from work and see if I can find anything that will convince me to change my vote, but for now: ##Vote ilovejonn | ||
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On June 16 2011 20:23 VisceraEyes wrote: @Shraft I find it interesting that in the reasoning behind voting for ilovejohn, you mention both youngminii AND Mig as influences, yet they're both voting for sinani206. Why do you feel ilovejohn is the better lynch? I feel that ILJ is the better lynch because of this: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2011 14:52 ilovejonn wrote:. Also, don't try to do a meta-read on me, I might be playing different because I want to, I may be playing different because I've learned a few things, I might like to use "I think" or "unless of course" because I deemed it necessary to show that I am unsure (it was n0 after all). When you meta read someone, you're heavily biased to see what you wanted to see in the first place anyways. When YM pointed out that ILJ's play in this game looks similar to what his Mafia play has looked like in previous games he responds with the quote in the spoiler above, basically saying "I might be attempting to play different in this game, don't metagame me". Now, if this is true, that he is in fact playing differently, then he has to be town now, but chosing to play more cautiously and making more contentless posts, being very afraid of sticking his neck out. This would be a very bad way for him to change his playstyle, which in why I believe that his statement about him changing his play was just an outright lie that he told to get away easily from the accusation. I believe that he is the best lynch candidate and I am going to keep my vote on him. | ||
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On June 18 2011 07:24 sandroba wrote: Man, can people actually start contributing to this? You are making it pretty easy for mafia by not sharing your opinions on anything. Please comment on the lists, add your thoughts etc ffs. I actually believe that it's very easy for scum to blend in by commenting on this list. All of this is really basic stuff really. | ||
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On June 18 2011 08:07 sandroba wrote: LOL are you for real man? giving your OPINION on people that should be vig/dt/medic targets is basic and easy for mafia to do? Are you insane? Yes, because it's very easy to just provide a few names and comment on the list. "I think yadddayaddayadda blablabla" and it looks like they have contributed. Instead of this, I urge blue roles to read posts like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232671 (I believe this was linked previously) and take use of that knowledge when they chose their night actions. | ||
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On June 18 2011 08:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Speaking as a noob, NONE of this stuff is basic, brah. I notice that you didn't give YOUR opinion on it, aside from saying it's basic. I am speaking as a noob as well, yet I still think that choosing your night actions isn't that difficult when you've got tons of post by forums vets to help you. If you so desperately want me to comment on it, then sure, I can do it, but I still don't think that 3 pages of people making lists are very useful. | ||
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On June 18 2011 08:23 sandroba wrote: Let me state this. From now on everyone is only allowed to shut down discussion if you present a better discussion to be had. Otherwise just give your goddamned opinion. Some discussion is clearly better than no discussion at all. I kind of see your point now. The thread is highly inactive so if commenting on this will make people start talking then I guess it can be useful after all. I will post my thoughts on it shortly. | ||
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On June 18 2011 05:21 sandroba wrote: Alright people here comes my lists: VIGs: -Giraffe -LandenC Both extremelly inactive and based on voting thread alone Giraffe has a high chance of being mafia. His flip is also very informative regarding Hiro's aligment and revealing some info on the players that voted for him. LandenC is likely mafia if giraffe is not (he voted for him for the exact same behaviour he was presenting) so pick your target wisely. If RoL shows up and actually confirms kenpachi being mafia he's also an obvious target. Also his huge post attacking RoL is completely out of character from the townie kenpachi I know. Medics: -RoL -Aidnai -Wiggles -Varpulis -BC That's actually going to be hard to argue, but this is my gut feeling. I actually also don't see the point of arguing hard why I feel those players are town and helpful when no one of them are actually in danger. Do not protect: -Hiro -GGQ -LandenC -Grassgiraffe -Youngminii -kenpachi -Mig mostly useless lurkers and suspicious people. GGQ is there for (hopefully) obvious reasons and youngminii is there not only because he spearheaded jonn's lynch, but also because his voting paterns are suspicious as hell. Mig is not being helpfull the way he normally is when town. DTs: -Hiro -GGQ -Young This should be fairly obvious aswell. Vigs Is it really worth killing off inactives with vigs? I believe vigs are too useful to waste on this. As far as I know, we got zero read on them both, so they might very well be inactive townies or blues. I don't really like the mindset that "If they are not helping the town we might as well kill them off." DTs I agree with the list made. Those people are all kind of fishy. Medics I think medics should simply protect the forum vets (basically the people on the zodiac list) since they will be very helpful with analysing everything later on. I don't know if RoL is worth protecting though, he seems like he doesn't take this game seriously at all. He just posts a few troll posts and says that he'd rather watch 24. I don't like his attitude a single bit. | ||
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Anyway, I am glad that RoL is back. @hiro protagonist I don't find lynching inactives scummy. However, it is very anti-town and pretty fucking stupid. If we decide on lynching an inactive just by virtue of his inactiveness, it is easy for Mafia to just bandwagon without providing much more reasoning than "X is inactive, I agree on lynching him." This is why inactives should be left to vigilantes. We get much more information out of our lynches if we present cases on active members and force people to take a stance. As for the two current cases (RoL's case on syllogism and aidnai's on hiro), I think that aidnai's case on hiro is stronger, but hiro's defense seems genuine and I don't think that he is Mafia. I don't know if I will be awake the last hours before the lynch, but I'll try to. I am not convinced by any of the cases at the moment so I'll put a placeholder vote just in case. | ||
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