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On June 05 2011 18:33 Kurumi wrote: Scum will unvote after someone called it out to remain 'unsuspicious". Also why the heck Town would lynch person generating discussion and bringing scummy suspects? Scum would like to lynch me,but they can just kill me at night. I find this hilarious because you got lynched day 1 in the last mafia for being really talkative early on. So either you didn't learn your lesson or you aren't a townie this time. I'm leaning toward the former. Judging solely on my post-hoc analysis of XXXIX in preparation for my first mafia game, in the first cycle, if you give a spot on analysis and make good accusations, mafia will kill you ASAP (chaoser). If you blab a ton, you get lynched (kurumi). After that inactivity gets modkilled or lynched, Confirmed townies become the targets to get mafia killed. It's kind of weird, but the townies who ended up lasting the longest actually had some degree of suspicion on them. I was also surprised by how proactive mafia are about trying to shed suspicion on others early on in the game. In other words, I think this is a totally wrong or misleading statement: On June 05 2011 15:40 Treadmill wrote: I suspect that most of the mafia are gonna be trying to lay low, post only "check-in" posts and whatnot. So keep your eyes peeled for that sort of thing - although, early on, that kinda posting might just mean its midnight and people want to go to bed (so gtsrs and 35spike1 are off the hook for now). Also given how quick people are to lynch the first signs of suspicion, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of townies especially newer players would try to lay low and get a feel for how the game would play out (that was my plan going in at least). Unless something interesting comes up I'll probably vote for one of the following: freeloader - for his really weird/suspicious defense posts aprudds - for a really arbitrary out of nowhere accusation treadmill - for trying too hard to lay the blame on freeloader Kurumi - because it would be hilarious to lynch someone who is clearly very excited to play this game on the first day two mafia games in a row | ||
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On June 05 2011 21:40 Kurumi wrote: @Pyo Because Your arguments are dumb I am going to ignore You. A tip: In mafia XXXIX I was spreading chaos in the Town,also I was really scummy. I wasn't talkative,I was spammy. If You want any meta reads,go check PYPI and PTP. As a noob, it's somewhat difficult to distinguish "talkative" from "spammy". I just threw out a vote for you since (A) I want/need to get my vote out while I can (B) voting for someone who noone else is going to vote for is tantamount to abstaining (C) as someone who definitely has played mafia before, I assumed that amongst noobs, you'd be adequately adept at defending yourself if suspicion actually turned to you (D) I made a post indicating that my vote for you was joke if anything, but since you seem offended i'll change my vote. Also, just out of curiosity, since the game wasn't filled only with noobs, how many people here actually have mafia experience? | ||
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On June 05 2011 22:45 Kurumi wrote: You're not going to participating in lynching the most scummy player Pyo? While I understand place holder votes You need to know that people like me will remember that. I want to see a good post after You're back. And who exactly is the most scummy player? Freeloader? If it freeloader really is a scum and people are all jumping on him, wouldn't other scum try to draw attention away from themselves by sacrificing him? In other words by encouraging others to go for him, or at least promoting mob mentality, isn't that a huge red flag as being scum? Maybe I should change my vote back after all... Are people actually vindictive in mafia? Wouldn't that draw too much attention to themselves? Either way, my apologies, don't kill me off too quick  Also, what counts as a "good post"? Maybe point out an example? From what I've seen looking through old mafias is that "good posts" that are too on target, especially early on end up getting you killed. | ||
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On June 05 2011 23:20 Kurumi wrote: By the most scummy player I meant Your suspicion. My list wasn't in any particular order. An example of good post would be an analysis pointing out the biggest slips of player X leading Town in a Scum lynch.Remember though: there's nothing wrong about being wrong(unless You're redtooth,then You commit suicide on Day 3) A good post could be summing up who attacked who and who defended who + Your thoughts about it. Everything that generates discussion is good. You must remember though,that without good evidence there's probably no point in bringing something new,because this will cause chaos. Pyo,it is too fast for scum to bus too. what does "bus" mean? Sorry I don't know all the mafia lingo yet. Freeloader's situation is really uncertain. His small,but bandwagon is based on shitty evidence. "He asked a question,no townie would ask it!" Think for a second. What would happen if Freeloader was scum? Someone would pm him and tell him everything he needed to know,makes sense? Hell yes. Are you speaking as an experience mafia player here? I mean his post was less than hour after PMs went out. Do mafia really get organized that fast? I realize that this is murky water since we're not supposed to use our PM times to figure out roles according to the rules. | ||
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On June 06 2011 03:44 gtrsrs wrote: hi everyone i'm back my thoughts so far: - jesus christ, 7 pages of nothing - freeloader asked an innocuous question that was stupid but not scummy IMO in fact he made it quite clear the reasons he was asking: and then everyone ignored the fact that he asked another innocuous question too. clinging to false evidence ITT? - unfortunately it looks like a slip so i can see him getting lynched today - if he flips town, we'll need to re-evaluate the people who pushed for his lynch - dude who keeps posting haikus, please stop, that's thread derailment and very scummy. i can't even read your posts. i do not think there are any posting restrictions so only post what you HAVE to - that being said, i'm going to vote for you because i don't want to jump on the freeloader bandwagon (nor do i want to try and counterbandwagon onto aprudds for calling him out) - voting in this thread is not scummy, whoever said that. voting in this thread helps us keep track of bandwagons and reasoning behind votes. please vote in this thread when you vote in the voting thread. - there are too many posts in this thread. you probably don't have anything to say at this point. don't post for posting's sake. when you do post, please make long, well-thought-out posts. short posts derail the thread. i think one of the pages had like 10 one-line posts and that's not acceptable. it allows mafia to "blend in" with the town by posting similarly. - posts that have words but don't say anything are scummy - kurumi is naturally an annoying, accusatory spammer, don't read into it too much  (also no offense to kurumi)- from what i've seen of his play in other games, jackal is a strong player. don't let his abrasive personality cloud your mind from his usually very-informative, rational posts. at the same time, please use your own judgment when reading his posts and decide for yourself if you come to the same conclusions. if he is mafia he will use his "upstandingness" to sheep us around. ##vote: iGrok So how common is it for townies to vote for/ lynch day1 people that they just don't like or find annoying? I mean in the face no real evidence for or against anyone is it worth it to eliminate inactive or annoying players? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=16#309 I thought post editing wasn't allowed. | ||
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The players that I find annoying are by far Haiku boy and Kurumi. So if ever I'm undecided about who to vote for it'll probably be one of them. I think it is interesting to note all the little 1v1 bickering going on, the most recent example of which is between iGrok and gtrsrs. I think it is reasonable to assume that two mafia wouldn't orchestrate a mini feud this early on, which means that either both are town or only one is town. So combining my last 2 paragraphs, I think I'm gonna have to change my vote to iGrok. | ||
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On June 06 2011 18:30 iGrok wrote: And don't call me Haiku boy again. Just curious, why do you find me annoying? Aside from the haikus, which I stopped when I realized some people don't appreciate having a little fun. Well haiku girl, In no particular order: 1. Your haikus 2. Your heroic let me break down the game for you all post, which is clearly an attempt to make it seem like you know what you're doing, yet you still did #1, revealing that you're just a self-important douche (note that gtrsrs interprets this as you being scum) 3. Your passive-aggressiveness ("don't call me Haiku boy again") 4. Your not-so-passive aggressiveness (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=10#187) 5. You like to think that you are a pro chastising others for not reading the thread (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=12#232), but haven't even read the rules yourself (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=10#196) 6. Red hurts my eyes (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=18#342) 7. "For science" - Athene is a douche, and so are you for quoting him (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=19#365) 8. Your triangle picture. 9. And then there's your whole exchange with gtrsrs, which needs no real explanation I suppose that there might be a little overlap in that list. I don't really know whether you're scum or not, but as I said in a previous post I'm picking one of a random bickering between two players (you and gtrsrs) and he's a lot less grating and - for now at least - appears more emotionally stable (less likely to give a tell after prodding). I'll leave it everyone else to judge your response to a more pressure/attention on you. | ||
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On June 06 2011 23:55 Jackal58 wrote: I asked you a question based upon your assertion. Problem. Just remember DT's if you check the GF you will get a townie return. Yay! I do have internet on the cape. The mafia can frame a townie too, also there could be millers. In both situations a townie would return as scum. | ||
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On June 06 2011 12:27 iGrok wrote: Whats your opinion of me? curious Isn't this a scummy post? Why should any townie care about what others think of themselves? I initially voted for him because I thought he was being a self important douche in a newbie mafia game and a vote for someone I didn't like was just as arbitrary as voting for anyone else. But now I'm starting to think he might actually be scum. He's "experienced," so he should know how to hide as a town, right? And I feel like he is being overly careful to make sure he comes off as being town (analysis posts etc). Additionally, he got quite defensive when he was randomly accused by gtrsrs and even more so when I arbitrarily jumped in. As for Kurumi, my initial impression still stands. He is a chaotic poster. This on paper is a very good strategy if you want to avoid being mafia killed as having a lot of suspicion on you is good for mafia. And with roleblocker/GF powers he's generally a good person to keep around for mafia. Last game he did the same thing and was actually a townie, however he got lynched day 1 for posting like he has been. I think he's probably a townie, but quite frankly, a useless one. I'm not going to advocate voting for him, but if he goes I don't think he'll be missed Senj appears to be lurking. 4 posts so far, so he's quite easy to analyze really. first post defending freeloaderfirst post he defends freeloader second post defending igrok shifting blame to people accusing freeloader bandwagoning against rookie (actually voting this time) If either freeloader or rookie get lynched/killed I think we will know whether senj is scum or not. | ||
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On June 07 2011 13:19 iGrok wrote: While I'm thinking I want to voice in on this - Ordinarily, using vigis early is a bad idea. But, we got hit hard tonight, and since we're probably out of medics (there may be 1 more), we may need to shoot tonight to cut down KP even more. -___- Absolutely a scum post... Why do we need to hit hard? We really don't. We lose two medics who honestly are mostly passive powers and not useful until DT's make themselves known (one way or another). And mafia only has 3kp. To me iGrok is beyond a doubt scum. I'll repeat my post on Senj of his first 4 posts: first post defending freeloaderfirst post he defends freeloader second post defending igrok shifting blame to people accusing freeloader bandwagoning against rookie (actually voting this time) defending iGrok, it further reinforces my suspicion of iGrok. Additionally, the kurumi, amazingxkcd, and senj nearly simultaneously voting for rookie is pretty solid that they are all scum. I'll also throw out there that given that there were 7 active mafia (thekk said nothing at all), it was possible for them to pick up on any little accusation and turn it into a lynch if they all voted together. Everyone who ended up voting for Rookie is now under suspicion. I'll go through them later when I wake up (and assuming i'm not mafia killed before then) | ||
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On June 08 2011 01:44 Impervious wrote: As for DT checks, I wouldn't recommend xkcd, senj and kurumi right now. If xkcd gets killed tonight (or one of the other two instead), we'll have 2 people as good lynch targets if he flips red, and it's hardly better than a blind guess if he flips green, so it's not really worth a check right now. I agree with this point. since those 3 are the biggest suspects right now, it is almost certain that the town among them is going to be GF framed. I'll also point out that it isn't unreasonable for senj and xkcd to have waited for kurumi to have posted to follow him in bandwagoning on rookie. While I am certain that at least 2 of them are scum, there isn't much to be learned from using blue powers on them. But I'll repeat that iGrok is very scummy. Being defended by senj is a big tell. Additionally, propping up certain players as being experienced/super awesome. Also his constant chartmaking – does more to confuse the issue than anything. When I end up dead (I probably will given that I've been a little too pro-town in my posting and pretty much no one thinks that I'm scum), maybe people will take more notice of him, especially considering I'm the only one pushing for him right now. | ||
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For everyone else, I think he is talking about thisthis. | ||
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So they hit our vet? Or we have another medic who happened to protect the right person. I disagree with Treadmill. If you were medic saved or vet, DO NOT SAY ANYTHING!!!! Keep them guessing whether you are the vet or whether we have a third medic. Town doesn't need to know that information only mafia would want you to reveal yourself. Treadmill just outed himself as scum. | ||
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On June 08 2011 13:12 Impervious wrote: Ok, so, now that it's daytime, I'd like to ask everyone to do something simple for me, before we start discussing anything more serious. I'd like to know what guides/games you have read, as well as what games you have played. Just take like 10 seconds to post a quick list plz. If you've played in a few already, I know you're well exposed to TL Mafia. I'm asking for this information I want to get a feeling for how well adjusted our "newbie" players will be. I'm pretty sure that this may prove useful to us in the future. I wanted to ask it during the previous day, but I showed up pretty late for the party. I don't think this will be useful too easy to lie or manipulate by mafia, but I guess I'll answer anyway. I've never heard of mafia before I accidentally stumbled upon TL mafia by looking at some random person's post history. In preparation for this game, I read through most of XXXIX. | ||
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