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Day 1 thoughts: Freeloader625 innocently asks a silly question and gets a lot of heat on him because of it. I doubt he is scum, experienced players have already said that mods make it clear to mafia that they can communicate outside the thread. I’d say that his posts shows him to be more town orientated because of it. so all those voting for Freeloader please unvote him immediately so as to avoid a mislynch. Subsequent posts are ambiguous one-liners, not really much to go on, looks silly but not screaming scum to me. Speaking of which, the people who have voted for freeloader625: Cherubael- Not sure about this guy. Pushed for the freeloader vote, which raised my suspicions of until I saw that he pointed out 35spike1s post and further lack of contribution (see below). On June 05 2011 13:54 cherubael wrote: Also, the fact that he states he's only played SC2 Mafia before does seem like he is attempting to appear to be inexperienced. A little bit too defensive for a townie, in my opinion. Please elaborate on the last part for me. Jimbooo- vote retracted. Quick to jump the gun for a lynch, but realizes his mistake and unvotes quickly. Probably too overeager, no scummy posts. Lafali- vote retracted. On June 05 2011 15:16 Lafali wrote: His subsequent posts were fishy. Due to that I hopped on the voting bandwagon along with them. Its a 40 player game, I'm sure we can afford a few mislynches. Regardless, we should continue scumhunting. We do have 48 hours. WTF is this shit? Hopping on the voting bandwagon is exactly what scum does in order to lynch townies. Good job, way to do the scum’s work for them. Based on this post alone it makes you either scum, or a very clueless townie. You’re my prime suspect atm but I’ll withhold voting for you until after I see how you defend yourself. Treadmill, Benjef, Drazerk, grush57. Don’t really have much of a read on these guys. Treadmill pretty hasty in his posts like Jimbooo, but went about it in a more scummy way. Can you all please unvote Freeloader for now and wait until some of the more legitimate candidates for your vote continue posting? Others: 35spike1 On June 05 2011 13:57 35spike1 wrote: Good luck have fun! Cherubael's right, I'm not liking freeloader625 at the moment... All the one liners regarding the freeloader post aren’t helping town, it gives the opportunity for scum to fly under the radar and post rubbish like this and getting away with it unchecked. Keeping my eye on 35spike1. Time for a contribution please. Kumuri- Pretty experienced. Very forward with his opinion and is looking at the right people. Definitely the most day1 pro-town person we have at the moment. Amazingxkcd- Stop posting obvious, non contributing shit. “It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it.” That post has no value whatsoever except as a front for you to appear active. Also, your copy+paste post on the guides to mafia are equally useless. Analysis on the game please, if other people haven’t already read the 4th post on this thread, then it’s their loss. TheAwesomeAll- He made a list, and he’s checking it twice. No big deal, a good way to keep track of people who haven’t contributed much, if anything. Don’t know why people are getting so riled up about it though monsterDrakar? Conclusion/tl;dr: Everyone stop voting forFreeloader and keep your eyes on what Lafali, Cherubael, 35spike1 and Amazingxkcd have to say. /rant | ||
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Your posts are very pro-town, helpful advice. Pretty sure you're a green, but reserving judgement for now until you share your thoughts on some other players. Who seems the most suspicious to you? I don't understand why people were getting so irate over your haikus, just seems like you're having some fun. ^^ gtrsrs Unless I missed it earlier, can you please elaborate as to why you voted for iGrok? | ||
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On May 30 2011 01:33 Varpulis wrote: To clarify: The no PMs rule does not apply to scum. They are still allowed to communicate outside of the thread. Town aligned and third party roles must keep everything inside the thread, however, for the sake of balance and to keep the game fun for everybody. So it's already been addressed during the signup stage. Freeloader was probably just lazy and didn't read through the entire thread. | ||
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I understand what you're trying to say, but I find it highly unlikely that a mod wouldn't have addressed means of communication the mafia can use in the role PM. This is a team game. Town don't know what team anyone else is on. Mafia know everyone's alignment (ie. they know who their teammates are). How are mafia supposed to coordinate their night actions if they can't communicate with each other? It has also been addressed by iGrok that mafia role PM's do contain information about how to communicate with each other: On June 06 2011 08:35 iGrok wrote: Mafia ALWAYS has their own quicktopic. Thats how things run. The only exception was Sleeper Cell Mafia, which I hosted ^^ I do agree with you that Freeloader should be a little (read: lot) more active considering the accusations against him (Maybe MLG is taking precedence?). Speak up Freeloader, we want to hear what you have to say. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 06 2011 14:21 freeloader625 wrote: It's true. I spent most of the weekend watching MLG, both streams. I was keeping an eye on this for all mirror matches though, I just chose not to comment. Yes, I'm ashamed to admit I let pages 2-8 or 9 go without reading it, I assumed it was all just full of "/in's." I only read the first post and posts since the game has officially started. Ohhh dirtay! I didn't not realize outside posts were fair game for this! I was under the impression (initially) that you can't click on ppls profiles/outside posts to avoid cheating or w/e. But I guess that's fair game. What do I honestly think and why haven't I really commented even though I threw myself under the bus? I'll give a longer explanation come closer to Day 1's end. Har har har, another "bad defensive" post by me :D Take it as you may. What is this? Are you trying to role play as a miller or something?? Stop it. If you're town; please stop posting like this and give us some coherent thoughts. All you're doing at the moment is digging a deeper hole for yourself and making it easier for others to vote for you. -.- @ iGrok I disagree with your player analysis. I think Kumuri is taking a very pro-town initiative by putting a lot of pressure on inexperienced players. It's a good opportunity to gauge reactions and hopefully pick up on a scum slip if the accused can't handle the pressure ^^ Also, the less attention towards blue roles, the better... last thing town needs is an inexperienced playing letting slip his blue role on day1. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 05 2011 13:57 35spike1 wrote: Good luck have fun! Cherubael's right, I'm not liking freeloader625 at the moment... + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2011 16:41 35spike1 wrote: FreeLoader had barely done anything, yet they were both happy to destroy him. Freeloader will probably now die if you look at the Voting Thread. If he turns up town, I'd be very suspicious of those two. Can you please explain to me what it was that made you change your mind in the time between you making those two posts? | ||
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Hurry up and respond to Alderan's question. Do you still advocate voting for gtrsrs? If so, give us a proper explanation as to why. Saying 'for the reasons above' and 'refering to himself in third person' isn't good enough. If you're not going to vote gtrsrs, then who? And why? Will re-read the thread again to try and get a handle on what's happened the last few hours. Voting closes in 5 hours, right? | ||
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On June 07 2011 09:35 Treadmill wrote: Another interesting point: Jackal58 makes his case against rookie44, it's pretty weak, the people posting aren't convinced. Nobody but him votes for rookie44. Then an hour later Look at the time stamps, within 3 minutes of each other. And none of them posted for 2 hours previous to bandwagonning rookie. It looks liek co-ordination. This is very interesting. Good pickup. I don't think rookie or jimboo are anything other than inexperienced town. jimboo voting with the flow is certainly suspicious. But his defense is convincing (to me anyway) that he really has no grasp with what is going on. Drazerk is a little more suspicious, having little to no activity in the thread yet voting twice. Keeping my eye on him and his promised analysis. Which reminds me Freeloader please post your Day 1 thoughts, as you promised. Rookie is the most likely to get lynched at the moment. I wonder if a cause of this is due to the fact that an experienced player in Jackal was the one who made the accusation against him. Experienced players in this game will undoubtedly have more gravitas with regards to what they say in this game, and yeah, I can see how people are satisfied with his dissection of rookie's post (helped by the fact that rookie's defense has been terrible). To me, personally, rookie reeks of inexperience, not scum. Mafia would certainly take advantage of the potential answers people give, but I think he was under the impression he was helping town. But considering this is newbie mafia, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. So, who's most suspicious to me? amazingxkcd On June 06 2011 02:56 amazingxkcd wrote: It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it This was posted after he appeared on a lurker list, as pointed out by Alderean. A clear non contribution to appear active. (amazingxkcd later layed suspicions on when Alderean when he defended rookie). He attacks iGrok, who was contributing the most analysis to the game, while not really posting analysis of anyone else at all. Especially after Treadmill's post I quoted above, it appears that there was a bit of collaborating between the 3 of them (Kurmuri, amazingxkcd and senj). I'm finding this very suspicious and is my best reasoning to vote for amazingxkcd on a very chaotic day one. Impervious said it best: [B]On June 07 2011 10:13 Impervious wrote: Now, I asked myself "have they been acting in the best interest of the town?", and the one that really stood out as a "no" was xkcd. You've got my vote amazingxkcd. | ||
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"also alderan, I am very suspicious of you for trying to defend this guy." It seems to me that your decision to be 'very suspicious' of alderean, singling him out and no one else for defending rookie, was made based on feelings. I missed your analysis on impervious when I made my post, my bad. I want your thoughts on a lot more players please. And could people stop misspelling my username please :p | ||
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##vote iGrok + Show Spoiler + :p | ||
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Don't forget to vote in the voting thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=230004¤tpage=4 @freeloader mods have explicitly stated in the OP that smurfing isn't allowed in this game. | ||
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Also, @clicker, care to share some thoughts so far? What is your take on everything that's happened day 1? Who are you keeping your eye on? | ||
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Senj and amazingxkcd must die asap. I'm not so sure about Kumuri's alignment though... he pushed hard against lafali at the start, as GGQ pointed out. I don't know what to make of Jackal... I'm waiting on Drazerk to post some analysis so I can get a better read on him. Right now he's pretty suspicious. I've rethought my post regarding jimbooo and I definitely think more attention should be paid to him. Freeloader I don't know what the hell you are anymore. Nice job Treadmill. This guy is green ^^ We did lose two medics though T.T, is it unlikely that we get more than 2 in a game? @Pyo Can you elaborate as to why iGrok is definitely scum? Does this post + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2011 19:20 Pyo wrote: Well haiku girl, In no particular order: 1. Your haikus 2. Your heroic let me break down the game for you all post, which is clearly an attempt to make it seem like you know what you're doing, yet you still did #1, revealing that you're just a self-important douche (note that gtrsrs interprets this as you being scum) 3. Your passive-aggressiveness ("don't call me Haiku boy again") 4. Your not-so-passive aggressiveness (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=10#187) 5. You like to think that you are a pro chastising others for not reading the thread (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=12#232), but haven't even read the rules yourself (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=10#196) 6. Red hurts my eyes (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=18#342) 7. "For science" - Athene is a douche, and so are you for quoting him (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=19#365) 8. Your triangle picture. 9. And then there's your whole exchange with gtrsrs, which needs no real explanation I suppose that there might be a little overlap in that list. I don't really know whether you're scum or not, but as I said in a previous post I'm picking one of a random bickering between two players (you and gtrsrs) and he's a lot less grating and - for now at least - appears more emotionally stable (less likely to give a tell after prodding). I'll leave it everyone else to judge your response to a more pressure/attention on you. | ||
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Ok. Xkcd and Igrok should die. iGrok should die first. After reading through GGQ’s and DeMorcef’s posts I have found: DeMorcef and GGQ suspected Drazerk DeMorcef and GGQ suspected amazingxkcd DeMorcef defended iGrok DeMorcef votes for Drazerk along with iGrok I think DeMorcef has died for the following reasons: a) He defends iGrok and votes Drazerk with iGrok, which give iGrok town cred. b) To throw more suspicion on Drazerk, who currently isn’t making the best show of himself so far. GGQ suspected iGrok, looked for further investigation into iGrok and Kurumi. GGQ suspected Vain, voted Jimbooo. I think GGQ died for 3 reasons: a) Has been the only person to suspect Vain, which no one has picked up on (yet). b) Suspected iGrok, though wasn’t as vocal about it (before his ‘death posts’) c) Experienced player A summary of Vain’s posting history, - Tries to throw freeloader under the bus - “small suspicion is better than no suspicion” regarding freeloader, advocating his lynch. - Defends iGrok - Continue to defend iGrok while distancing himself - Light defence of rookie - Defends Senj’s inactivity. He says senj was inactive and modkilled in another game. - Distances himself from iGrok - Votes rookie “For the sake of voting”. This is a terrible bandwagoning. rookie is dead. Vain makes an ‘oh shit’ post and goes inactive, yet continues posting on teamliquid. Now, iGrok: Most people have built their case against iGrok, so I’m not going to repeat what’s already been said. However I would like to emphasize: 1) iGrok advocated a Night 1 vig hit against the three people who voted rookie within 5 minutes of each other (xkcd, kurmuri and senj) . In the event that someone had shot xkcd and he flipped red; iGrok could have patted himself on the back for advocating the shot. In the event one (or more) of them gets shot and flips green, wasted Night 1 vig shots on townies. Win-win for iGrok and mafia. 2) The iGrok-Treadmill relationship. Let me elaborate by showing you these quotes from iGrok regarding Treadmill. “Everything he's done has been in the right. Everything. When it was unpopular, he stood by his ideas. He's defended those he felt were wrongly accused, and and accused those he felt were guilty. IMO, Treadmill is Town.” “Haven't read it yet, but I'm going to go ahead and nominate Treadmill for the "Best Rookie (no pun intended) Award". Hats off to you, doing analysis like a boss, standing up for what you think, and making really good reads on people (like the aforementioned Rookie).” Such praise suggests that they are in league with each other. But I’m suspicious of how overt iGrok is with his praise. He even posted that second quote in green to draw attention to it! This overtness leads me to believe that iGrok is setting Treadmill up for a lynch after iGrok flips red. People will associate iGrok with Treadmill and he will be a number 1 scum suspect that people will see as justified after all the attention iGrok showers on him. In summary, lynch iGrok today, not xkcd. Keep your eye on Vain when he starts posting again. Treadmill is probably being set up. Also, Drazerk, I love your Live Reports on the GSL threads, care to bring your attention here and give an LR on this mafia game? Not saying you’re scum but you are suspicious. | ||
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On June 09 2011 13:22 Treadmill wrote: Something else:GGQ didn't post ANY suspicions of iGrok until literally 1 minute before the night post. So the notion that GGQ was killed to protect iGrok from his accusations is bogus. You are correct in that he didn't call out iGrok straight. But, using the power of hindsight, we can easily see that GGQ was definitely suspicious of him. On June 07 2011 13:27 GGQ wrote: Perhaps the best information that we can get out of this is to examine people's responses to Kurumi's pressure on lafali. I leave that as an exercise for the newbies for now . Look at how people respond to lafali's post and who voted for lafali and who defended lafali. But don't just look at that; look also at why and how they defended him.The point was to lead you to Kurumi and iGrok above everyone else. iGrok defends lafali as probably newb town. He's the only one who defends lafali straight out No GGQ didn't call out iGrok specifically in that first quote. But iGrok knew GGQ was referring to him, as he was the only person who defended Lafali. Does that make sense? | ||
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