EPTTook quite some time to open the forums to me.
I stopped checking after a while.
I sure hope this is better than the average Bnet/Epicmafia.
gl hf
Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia II
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Took quite some time to open the forums to me. I stopped checking after a while. I sure hope this is better than the average Bnet/Epicmafia. gl hf | ||
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1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town is, that it discourages counterclaims by mafia. If 1 mafia says he/she is the cop or the doc, it usually has some positive effect. If they want to pretend the first setup they have to show both a fake cop and fake doc. If then of them gets lynched, the other faked role goes down as well. On second thought, this is much more complicated than this. All the stuff going just from the setup would make a real long post, so I´ll stop here. | ||
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In other words, can we decide to not lynch or are we forced to lynch every day, even if it is MyLo night? | ||
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For the time being, I suggest we treat this game as if it was setup 4, with 9 vanilla no cop no doc. There are times to claim cop, but there are no times to claim doc. Also looking at the many other games here in TL, many games do analysis on plans that revolve around a magnitude of roles. Which we don´t have. So dear town fellas, work hard and smart because this game is probably harder than most other games you can read on here. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + 12 day1 ly nk 10 day2 ly nk 8 day 3 ly nk 6 day4 Since *not* lynching is also *not* an option, we have to get a result by day3. That is plenty of time. This should be doable. So scum is forced to lay really low, if they ever want to stand a chance. | ||
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Maybe I tried to think of it last because no blue roles is the very hardest to play. Btw we are 12, not 9. Cop is detective and doc is doctor, obviously..... | ||
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First day we are 12, and on day 4 we will be 6. If we never catch a maf, we lose then, because to vote we need to be more than 50% Townies. I think I overestimated my town  Captain obvious also says: flamewheel91 is the Town Coach. Caller is the Mafia Coach. Qatol is the Neutral Coach. Asking the very basic questions is spam that doesn´t get us any information, which is anti town behaviour. I bet you 5 dollar that at least 1 mafia guy will pretend to not understand how the game works, if we keep asking dumb questions. We have Coaches for questions. | ||
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My bad. | ||
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So you say I WIFOM. Wifom is a gamble and you don´t win by gambling. (Wifom stands "wine in front of me". Look it up) I mathamatized to know how much time we have to our first scum. 3 days is a lot. I say that because on Epicmafia, were I played sometimes, there were setups with day 1 lylo. And for some reason mafia only had 50% win on that setup. Don´t know why, and I completely lost faith in the players there. Could we maybe start with the blaming once everyone has at least posted once or twice? | ||
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On May 17 2011 00:20 GiygaS wrote: I actually think my post is to blame for people saying trigger-happy, as mine says HE IS THE MAFIA in all caps. Now I meant this jokingly, but it could have been taken as trigger happy. But, I do want Mayaza to answer our various questions. I am curious what these various questions. So far I only gathered one: "Tell us why you´re/you´re not mafia!" I very well might be mafia, as everyone of you might be mafia too. But I can´t go ahead and tell you my plans before half the people posted, because then these plans wouldn´t work.(Since mafia would know what to do or what not to do.) About the inactives: Dependant on the number of inactives, it´s not a bad idea to lynch them. Low activity means they aren´t really helping the town and therefore it´s not a big loss. We wouldn´t lose any amount of discussion. But we can´t do that right now, because a) the day isn´t nearly over and b) there are too many. But people who do not post/do no vote are modkilled at the end of the cycle. | ||
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I think he takes his posts very serious and deduces from himself to others. Kind of a nonquestion. While we are at nonsense, let´s talk about noncontent posts. On May 16 2011 23:52 VisceraEyes wrote: At present, I'm not really badmouthing anyone. I'm asking questions. People asking questions aren't scummy, as asking questions is all we can really do (unless you count randomly pointing fingers). Or does he? I could understand that he is doing the same as me, trying to not be the sole active player, which means guaranteed death night 1. But is he really that active? Here all his posts of day 1 in order + Show Spoiler + On May 16 2011 11:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, how should we go about doing this? A little birdie told me that at the end of the day, someone's gotta die. Who's it gonna be and why? On May 16 2011 14:16 VisceraEyes wrote: It's entirely possible that AT LEAST one mafia guy WON'T understand how the game works, but according to that math, that would make at least THREE townies that DON'T understand how the game works. I don't think we should try and cast a scummy light on people trying to learn to play the game. It's a NEWBIE game after all. That being said, I DO think we should try and actively analyze posts and make the best selection for our lynch as I've NEVER condoned random lynching. On May 16 2011 15:06 VisceraEyes wrote: You guys are reading my mind. Talking will be key here. I'm going to go ahead and give you guys a general overview of how I'll be approaching this game. First of all, it's a GAME. I'll be playing. You'll be playing. We'll be playing together. These are good, happy things. If I FoS (Finger of Suspicion) you, please don't get offended. I'm sure people will be pointing a finger or two at me, and that's just fine. As I have nothing to hide, I'll generally react with interest and intrigue more than anger and concern. I ask that out of courtesy, you guys do the same. I'll analyze EVERY SINGLE post you make, and I please urge you to do the same to me. We've got to find killers here, people! They're not gonna find themselves. Also, just so everyone's aware, I'll be most active in the later evening and will be virtually invisible from early-morning to early-evening. I'm not lurking during those times, I'm genuinely not close to a computer. On May 16 2011 15:19 VisceraEyes wrote: After rereading this post, I have a question for Mataza. At the beginning of a game, one starts to think about their goals. Your first act in this game was to count the minimum number of days before mafia wins under optimal circumstances. Why is that? On May 16 2011 17:05 VisceraEyes wrote: @steff Welcome to town! While I have reservations about Mataza myself, calling him trigger-happy is possibly unfair. We have to lynch someone today regardless, that's just a rule. It's our job to make sure it's someone nice and scummy.  On May 16 2011 23:52 VisceraEyes wrote: @nard Here's the thing...there might be special roles in the game; we don't know that there aren't. We're merely operating under the assumption that there are no PRs because until there's a special circumstance, there's no way to know otherwise. At present, I'm not really badmouthing anyone. I'm asking questions. People asking questions aren't scummy, as asking questions is all we can really do (unless you count randomly pointing fingers). If you'll direct your attention to the post in question, it's clear that I'm just trying to clarify Mataza's intentions. On May 17 2011 01:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Welcome Karshe, good morning everyone. I shall refrain from unduly assigning suspicion to anyone until we've heard from most everyone. For the record, I don't condone policy lynching inactives...but if someone is VERY inactive in posting, but still makes it in for their one post per cycle and voting, inactivity starts to appear scummy to me. I hope no one is offended by my initial analysis, I'm just trying to spark up conversation. More conversation = more stuff to read over and over. I like to read stuff over and over. :D Especially 2 things: Analysis+ Show Spoiler + That being said, I DO think we should try and actively analyze posts and make the best selection for our lynch as I've NEVER condoned random lynching. I'll analyze EVERY SINGLE post you make, and I please urge you to do the same to me. We've got to find killers here, people! They're not gonna find themselves. I hope no one is offended by my initial analysis, I'm just trying to spark up conversation. More conversation = more stuff to read over and over. I like to read stuff over and over. :D Okay, how should we go about doing this? A little birdie told me that at the end of the day, someone's gotta die. Who's it gonna be and why? After rereading this post, I have a question for Mataza. At the beginning of a game, one starts to think about their goals. Your first act in this game was to count the minimum number of days before mafia wins under optimal circumstances. Why is that? @nard Here's the thing...there might be special roles in the game; we don't know that there aren't. We're merely operating under the assumption that there are no PRs because until there's a special circumstance, there's no way to know otherwise. At present, I'm not really badmouthing anyone. I'm asking questions. People asking questions aren't scummy, as asking questions is all we can really do (unless you count randomly pointing fingers). If you'll direct your attention to the post in question, it's clear that I'm just trying to clarify Mataza's intentions. He talks about questions and analysis but so far there is none of both. But he does talk about them. Also he says hello a lot. He greeted us all with a little rhyme. His last 3 posts where @nard, @steff and Welcome Karshe. It just struck me as very odd to claim doing stuff you don´t get around to do. Care to explain? | ||
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That is one kind of circular logic often used. If I don´t defend myself, it´s because I can´t think of arguments because I know I am guilty. If I do defend myself, it´s because I need to defend myself because I am guilty. Personally I just wanted to see how you would react. Right now I have the most material on you, just like everyone else has mostly material on me. Also OMGUS is kind of a weak argument. Everyone who talked (besides maybe 2 guys who have 1 post so far) suspects me. We should begin discussing lynches, since the first day is half over. Right now the suspects are mainly me and myself because I wondered how many mislynches we have. That´s not really a good start, since for example if I get lynched and you get nightkilled, only gigays and palmar are left talking fo town. Mafia would keep talking to themselves via PMs and townchat dies. And one scummy question by me: Gigays seems to defend you without a second thought. I wonder how he is so sure you´re right. I would love to talk about people who don´t suspect me, but they don´t *talk* at all. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 16 2011 15:19 VisceraEyes wrote: At the beginning of a game, one starts to think about their goals. Your first act in this game was to count the minimum number of days before mafia wins under optimal circumstances. Why is that? On May 16 2011 15:52 GiygaS wrote: you've also mentioned the Mafia's purported strategy, which is to stay under the radar. Something you haven't done. If you wanted someone to go off the path of finding the mafia, you would say that the strategy they would perform would be completely opposite to what you were doing. First I wanted to know how many mislynches we have. Second you can´t answer to wifom. If I say mafia must do x and I would be suspect if I do x and I would be suspect if I don´t do x because I said that mafia do x. If you want to bet your first lynch on wifom, go ahead. | ||
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Once there is anything substantial against me I can and will answer. | ||
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I just assumed because my name got used more than the letter "z" up til now. | ||
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I was requested to answer the "various questions". I might as well cite myself, since I answered them the first time. Especially since the questions are "Why are you wondering how the game will work out" and "You mentioned a possible behaviour of mafia, why don´t you behave like that yourself?" Yes I said the latter question is wifom. And wifom has never a definite answer.+ Show Spoiler + If I am mafia, I would not behave like a mafia. But since you expect me to not behave like a mafia, I will behave like a mafia. But you can predict that I know you expect me to not behave like mafia I will behave like mafia. Wifom is circle logic. You might as well flip a coin to determine if I am mafia. I never said I really think you are mafia, I just wanted you to react to my accusations. Your reaction is to push suspicion on me even farther while postponing why you think that. Once again, slowly, so you catch on my train of logic: Wifom is baaad. Behavioural analysis is gooood. Y U NO ANALYZE? Also, I am sorry for misspelling gigas with y. I don´t know the meaning behind it and it looks hard to pronounce the way it is written. | ||
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I said "I overestimated my town" because I had to explain what nk and ly stand for, that cop doesn´t stand for doctor and that this game is 9 town vs 3 mafia, not 6 vs 3. That a single leader is bad for town is obvious. People who gather under 1 leader are following, not playing. That is not the fault of the leader, but the fault of the town, since they obey for no good reason. Leading in itself is what everyone should aim for. For the sake of having material, I request Palmar, Hiro Protagonist, Deepblue, Steff, Karshe and Nard to mouth their opinion on whether Mataza, Viscera eyes or Giygas might be mafia. Don´t group Viscera and giygas together even if they have the same opinion. Giygas bandwagoned, but he might simply be new to mafia. + Show Spoiler + Right now I think Wunder and Skrammen will be modkilled. If they are not modkilled, then they are highly suspicious for not saying anything. There is nothing to lose so take a stand. Use your own brain though, the person you copy you opinion from might be mafia. Even me. I will assume to be on trial, together with Viscera and Gig. I will henceforth only post if you specifically ask @Mataza, until everyone else has voiced an opinion. I would like you Viscera and Gig to do so, too. | ||
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I do state the obvious since this is a newbie game. And since the very beginning I had the feeling that some people do not know how this really works. I also "defend" myself as people are requesting answers for questions that they don´t write. I especially like "various questions". Giygass requests answers for nonsensical questions. Viscera took what I said and distorted it. His point on me provoking wifom is wrong. I urge you to reread that. I will make my cases later in the day. It´s 8 in the morning over here, gotta get busy. | ||
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Who would I lynch? Good question. So far I behaved very provocative without telling much in hope a scum would slip clearly. There might be slips, but they are not obvious. Also it is harder to stay objective when being focussed thern I thought. I can´t say for sure just yet. But I will begin working on my cases now | ||
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