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[MSL Ro16 Spoilers] Evil Build

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whiterabb1t
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 03:16:16
May 07 2011 13:46 GMT
#1

If you haven't seen the ABC MSL Ro16 yet
specifically Jaedong vs Reality

NOW is the time to leave this thread



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On May 07 2011 18:50 TheOnly92 wrote:
This build is too evil, it should really be banned.

On May 07 2011 18:50 PoP wrote:
Wow. Just wow at this build. The execution was far from perfect but still, such a perfectly prepared game.

On May 07 2011 18:51 konadora wrote:
yeah, his mechanics was sloppy but this build... insane.

On May 07 2011 18:51 GTR wrote:
so i heard oov was lurking around the khan house recently.

On May 07 2011 18:52 Malinor wrote:
That was the most abusive strategie I have ever seen

Alright. Let's see what happened here (in the absence of the VOD, let me do this from memory, please correct if I recalled incorrectly).

VOD


The Build
Proxy 8 rax > Vulture Harass > Wraiths > Vulture Drops > Cloak Wraiths > Valkeries > MM > Tank

  1. Proxy 8 Rax
    Like all proxies, this one was meant to create early commotion and disrupt JD's economy, and very hopefully, end the game if not addressed correctly (a remote fact vs JD). JD missed it on his way to scout, and find out only upon reaching Reality base - no Barracks. JD pulls @8 drones, finds the Barracks, and kills the proxy marines. But his success here came at a high cost. He lost significant amount of mining time (helped by Reality's smart luring out of drones long after the initial threat has been contained), thereby delaying his pool.

  2. Vulture harass
    As soon as JD tried to settle to his natural, a vultures comes in for harass. JD pulls drones on roids again and overwhelms the vulture. But the real damage has been done, more lost mining time.

  3. Fast Wraith
    At this point, JD has terrible economy, still at pool tech and needs to get greedy fast in order to hope for a comeback. Wraiths were the perfect units at this point and it showed why: the wraiths wrecked havoc on JD's fledgling economy, and jumps from one hatchery to another to snipe overlords, more drones, and anything caught in between.

  4. Vulture Drops
    Here JD has already a decent ground army, enough to nullify and straight up encounter. Reality channeled Fantasy and went for vulture drops to further cripple JD's economy.

  5. Cloaked Wraiths
    This is where Reality's brilliance was now unquestionable. JD was surely going for a counter now, and cloaked wraiths provided the perfect counter to keep the mutalisks at bay.

  6. Valkyries
    Reality had to push for the finish now, and the only thing stopping his cloaked Wraiths are mutalisks and overlords. This is where the Valkyries come into play.

  7. MM
    Having neutralized all the major stumbling blocks for the kill, reality resorts to fast and high dps units to seal the deal

  8. Tanks
    This is just to make sure that the game is truly over.

The genius of the build lies in how natural it seems. One phase transitioned smoothly into the next, and each has a specific function in the grand purpose of the build. The transitions were not only natural in terms of their purpose, but also in terms of the tech path and economy that it took. From the start - the proxy rax, one can see the malicious intent of the build. The rax phase was not overdone. Once it served its purpose, it gave way to the next phase. We can argue that JD overreacted and pulled too many drones for too long, but then again, this must have seemed a "weird" build, and all cautin had to be taken. Major props to Reality for dragging those drones farther than they had to. This is followed by fast vultures, only 2 or 3 if i remember right. This was meant to further delay economy, lair, and eventually mutalisks. Reality went for expo and starport.

At this point, Reality knows that he has spread himself too thinly, and does not have a strong army to effectively stop JD`s counter if he kept him undisturbed even for a moment. This are what the starport tech is for. It is meant to keep JD at bay a bit by sniping overlords, drones, and expansions. Moreover, it paved the way for later tech that will deal the more decisive blow: first, the unexpected Vulture drop that stopped mining at the main for a considerable amount of time, and later the brilliant cloak the saved Reality from what would have been a hard counter to his little party so far. We say saved here more in the active sense because clearly it was all part of the plan. We could argue that fortune played right into the arms of Reality when JD went for mutalisks instead of lurkers. But looking at the game from JD's point of view, his economy and game flow was already in shambles by then that he needed a decisive attack to stop Reality once and for all. There is only so much aggressiveness you can do with lurkers, especially before Hive.

Still, Jeadong was on 4 bases now. Reality knows better than to let someone like JD to reorganize and take advantage of the little mistakes that he is making. The Valkyrie escort was meant to do such thing - nullify JD's mutalisks and cap his supply. The game was practically over at this point. JD was all over the place defending all sorts and manner of harass, but, wraiths are not meant to be game enders. More over, Reality has invested so much on specific techs, reaching as far as cloak and armory that he does not have enough to mass a particular high tech unit. Hence the Barracks squad were sent - easily reproductible high damage units that, along with the tank, were sent to deal the final blow and finish the limping zerg.

In short, it is a build that is meant to sow chaos and confusion. The tech path is designed to snipe any meaningful reaction that can be summoned by zerg. It is meticulously prepared, and complicated, in the sense that it took disparate units to orchestrate a grand singular purpose. One slip in the transition and it would have looked as though JD was smurfing in ICCup D-level. But it is also so simple that it is elegant - it "simply" relied on the precise (like mathematically precise) timings of the units and available technology. Until the very end, JD seems still poised to hold it off quite decently, but the build is so unpredictable that JD was forced to go for mutalisks to hopefully end the game. By eng-game, JD was completely confused, predicting a mechanic transition and going for hydras, when Reality intended to finish it with bionic. It abused to optimum terran technology - proxy building, raiding vultures, drops, cloak, high-dps low-econ tier 1 units.

Two things favored this favored this build. One, it is fresh. Now that it's out, it won't be as easy to pull off next time. Second, Monte Cristo. the distance between bases is far enough that a terran with a well-practiced build, and sufficient harass, can count on not being countered easily. Something can be said about Reality's execution (imagine it in the hands of Flash, or, perhaps Fantasy), but we've got to hand it to this kid! He should brilliance and heart - which is highlighted even more in their next set. Of course, we saw what happened: JD took off his jacket, went war mode, and we all knew how it ended.

Again, it boggles the mind, paralyzes it, renders it impoverished of the faculty of logic, that 12 years after this game was created, one would expect that everything has been figured out already. Yet we have magnificence like the one we all witness today. BW4LYF <3

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PS. I'll edit once the VODs are up to clean up any disparities.


BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50389 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 13:54:31
May 07 2011 13:52 GMT
#2
This build was more ridiculous than JD's new dye job.

I mean the transitions seemed so smooth even though I thought he was just throwing every thing he could afford at JD to make up for his supposedly failed proxy rax.
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King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 13:56:10
May 07 2011 13:55 GMT
#3
Hey, this is similar to my friends build. He says he can't play TvZ so he cheeses as hard as he can.

Proxy 8 rax/bunker rush -> proxy factory/vultures -> wraiths -> vulture drop.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66224 Posts
May 07 2011 13:55 GMT
#4
one important thing you missed was the timing of the expo ^_^
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okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
May 07 2011 13:56 GMT
#5
I'm now convinced that Reality is Fantasy's good twin.

Nice writeup!
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whiterabb1t
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 14:04:59
May 07 2011 14:00 GMT
#6
On May 07 2011 22:55 konadora wrote:
one important thing you missed was the timing of the expo ^_^

You are correct. Im quesy to add it yet since I didn't catch it live with certainty. I'll edit in once the vods on the link you sent me are up already. Thanks

EDIT: Here is the link kona sent me. For the early birds. Thanks again kona
http://www.soku.com/search_video/q_MSL
TheOnly92
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia804 Posts
May 07 2011 14:02 GMT
#7
When Reality went from Vultures to Wraith, JD hasn't even get to lair. He was busy dealing with vultures so he was supposed to pile up ground units to counter. So the transition to Wraith is seriously surprising to JD, if I recall correctly, he has only zerglings and ... drones. When the first wraith came JD couldn't do anything but keep losing units (overlords and drones).
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
May 07 2011 14:03 GMT
#8
after reading this i am very hyped for the vods..

gogo uploaders ^_^
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 14:14:49
May 07 2011 14:12 GMT
#9
Its funny, its basically like Leta did Fusion Dance with Fantasy, and did that ridiculous Fantasy Build with Wraiths instead of Gols.

That only worked well once too.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5672 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 14:25:50
May 07 2011 14:22 GMT
#10
I will clarify some things according to how I see them.

Usually in this situation, lurkers are not an option as an opener. Although Jaedong's first drone scout missed the barracks, when it got to Reality's base, the important thing it spotted besides a missing barracks (indicating a rush) was that Reality had taken gas. It'd be very weird to open lurkers having scouted that T was teching. Firstly because it wouldn't be clear whether wraiths or mech were coming, and even if it were mech, it's really rare to open lurker against a meching T since like 2006 (when you could sometimes 1base 3fact mech push and only have one scanner on one CC). You can add a den (sometimes blind, but Jaedong added his after seeing wraiths I think) while you go mutas to be safer.

You can also go hydras instead of muta and exploit the T being on one base production, but this is probably not smart when you yourself are only on 2 hatcheries. I think if JD had managed his reaction to the initial rush better (the aggression is awesome to watch, but in the end he lost so much mining time - it was like a vicious cycle, the longer he kept his drones out, the later his pool was and so the longer he had to use drones to defend) he could have gone into the midgame with 3 hatcheries. A point in favor of just massing speed hydras is that Reality didn't really mine up that much; rather, he used the length of the map as a deterrent while he used mines to try to make JD lose control of his main.

Going for speed hydras/OL speed off 3 hatch puts the game in a different direction than 2 hatch muta. I don't know what you're supposed to do after going for muta. If you go hydra, you just get caught with your pants down by M&M/valk/wraith (M&M kills OL so even if you scourge valks you can't kill wraiths, the build is so well-crafted). At that point you wish you had gone for lurks, but you can't really go lurk and muta because you'll be gas poor, and if you go lurk instead of muta earlier, I just think it's a bad decision when you don't know the enemy's tech path. I'm not really looking far ahead, maybe you could respond with lurker/defiler. Playing for a real econ is tough because T uses units that give huge map control. Even if you have lurks, when the valks force your mutas back, they will just get scanned and killed by marines. I really think you need the third hatch to be safe, otherwise you are playing rock/paper/scissors and while you might crush 2port wraith, this build ruins you.
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deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
May 07 2011 14:28 GMT
#11
This build really needs a name - something like "The Kitchen Sink" or "The Everything Rush"

Everything in it just fit together so perfectly, with reality seamlessly transitioning to the next level of harassment. A brilliant cheese build, and even though i was rooting for Jaedong the game was a pleasure to watch.

I cheer for underdogs and Flash
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
May 07 2011 14:29 GMT
#12
LOL now this is gonna be OFFICIALLY dubbed "Evil Build" :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
calling it now. :DDDDDDDDDDDDD
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
May 07 2011 14:33 GMT
#13
Is this like that Fantasy Build Fantasy used against GGPlay?

Haven't saw the game but after reading this, it aroused my interest :D
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Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
May 07 2011 15:08 GMT
#14
This build has been used for years now.


Destination was a popular map for terrans to utilize this build.


Nothing new, just the gayest of gay terran builds.
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ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
May 07 2011 15:16 GMT
#15
I was a Reality fan before, having overlooked his career in KHAN the last half year, but this set made me a Reality fanboy. His game against Clam was impressive too, and his TvT/P is just so solid that he doesn't even need shenanigans like this. I'm pretty sure Reality will be the next Fantasy. Maybe he can even be better than that.

The Reality Check Build
"T-RAPE" Build. (Terran Rape, Trap/Rape)

And for all the noobs who will now try it, it will be called: The Troll Build.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 07 2011 15:18 GMT
#16
When JD came in with the mutas for the first time and Reality had just gotten his expo up I was like ''Cheese failed, you're dead kid''. Then the cloaked wraiths came. Man, that was so cool. Such a nice transition that enabled him to get his expo up pretty safely.

Mega abusive, but cool as hell.
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nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
May 07 2011 15:19 GMT
#17
Hahaha this build is so ridiculous. I would have pulled my hair out if someone did it to me.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 15:21:54
May 07 2011 15:21 GMT
#18
Lol, I thought this was about the evil Hydra going an evil build to Stork, ow well.

This is a very interesting high-risk build, basically you utilise every unit in your arsenal to harass,must be so frusterating to deal with.
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
May 07 2011 15:34 GMT
#19
Reality with the lot!
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
May 07 2011 15:42 GMT
#20
On May 08 2011 00:08 Tien wrote:
This build has been used for years now.


Destination was a popular map for terrans to utilize this build.


Nothing new, just the gayest of gay terran builds.


Wrong! The build that was used on desti was forward 8 rax into vulture into mech, this is far more harass based.

On May 07 2011 23:33 aimaimaim wrote:
Is this like that Fantasy Build Fantasy used against GGPlay?

Haven't saw the game but after reading this, it aroused my interest :D


I haven't seen the games too but the fantasy build didn't have an MnM transition IIRC
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