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On April 10 2011 01:27 Kavdragon wrote: Do we lynch an inactive day one? My thoughts: I think that we should lynch an inactive. People who are active can actually be read/analyzed later on, but inactives will always be an there in the back of our mind. This also pressures inactive players to become more active. I'd probably agree with this statement. Unless someone red/black goofs up and it's horrifically obvious that we can lynch them. And whilst I've not played/read a game that used a pardoner, we'll have to be pretty damned careful that we get one of us into the position - imagine a successful lynch of the godfather being blocked by some asshole mafia pardoner. man that would piss me off... | ||
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On April 10 2011 04:04 kitaman27 wrote: No reason to lynch an assassin. Just analyze them and leave them to die by the other assassins. Interesting... We get a read on an assassin from analysis, then out them in public. Not only do we ensure that the other assassins are not focusing on a town target, but we could leave a watcher (if there are any... undisclosed rolecounts are nasty  ) on the targets house... boom we get a probable read on possibly multiple assassins! | ||
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On April 10 2011 06:26 aidnai wrote: How much mafia experience do you have robellicose? your name is also kinda fricking long to type, you have a preferred nick? I've played it on IRC a couple of times with university friends, but that lasted around 8-10 hours for a game, so it's not really on the same scale or the same flow of information. TL is my first experience of a forum mafia game, so will have to pick up things fairly quickly before someone shoots me. abbreviations that friends use to type my name: RoBe Bellico Belli feel free to come up with your own. To this day my lacrosse teammates insist on calling me whore ever since they found out my surname was Orr.... fun times whenever we're out partying and I start talking to someone with ladyparts. | ||
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FoS DoctorHelvetica ##Vote GMarshal | ||
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On April 10 2011 23:16 Jackal58 wrote: I went to bed and now I appear on everybody's inactive list. Not cool. Just noticed that a lot of the activity has been made by US players. Glad to realise that the time zone is the reason for me sleeping and waking up with a ton of posts to read! | ||
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Anyways, after rethinking a little more, I have to apologise to Protact, as I definitely don't want an assassin mayor. Whilst it's an intriguing idea, I also don't want to run the risk of an assassin pardoner, as there is no guaranteed return for the town there - any action by the pardoner, by definition of his pardoning ability, will not be easily questioned by town. A scum bandwagon vote could be claimed, his personal believe in the lynchee's innocence could be claimed.. etc. etc. In short, as coag has pointed out, there is no way you'd want to stop a lynch (except if it was your bodyguard) and it would be extremely difficult for us to call you on a lack of a pardon. I don't believe assassins should receive votes for the mayoral campaign. | ||
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I think the assassins are much more likely to lay low and wait for the mafia to deal with the bodyguards. Having an assassin mayor won't draw more fire for the town. Having said that, I still think it's better to have a town mayor, so I'm keeping my vote on the candidate I believe most likely to be town (GMarshall). | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:54 kitaman27 wrote: Lots of agreeing and head nodding, but no action. Protactinium currently leads the race. I'm backing GMarshall. I assume that counts as action? | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote: Actually electing Proctat is by far the best move we could do. Think about it: 1.He's not mafia. We know this for a fact. We know that if he fails to either "rolecheck someone" or kill someone extra, then we lynch him. Furthormore, any of the other canidates we DONT KNOW if they ARE mafia. Personally I would prefer not having such a powerful mayor role, but if I had to give it to anyone, it would be proctat. And here is why he would not be anti town: a.)His goal is to kill assasins. This means that he will be going after the scum-esque people, since assasins and mafia will act at least noticably alike in this game, given that they are both hostile to town. At the very least he will be killing the anti town. b.) He will provide us will role checks. c.) HE WILL PROVIDE US WITH TWO CONFIRMED TOWNIES. Here is what I say: Proctat reveal who the two bodyguards are. Given that the OP says that two townies will be chosen, then we can have two confirmed townies. And obviously we know that the Assasins will be gunning for him. And Proctat is like "Wtf, I don't want to reveal my body guards." But this is the PANDAIN PLAN 1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards. 2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same. This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them. Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him. Furthormore I announce my campaign for Why I should be pardoner: ![[image loading]](http://cci-inspection.com/cci/images/stories/detective.jpg) I'm a dt. There. Now you guys have to make me it or I diez.... By having such an important blue role be so safe, we can gurantee that I shall help you guys. And if I don't give a true role check, you guys can lynch me. Was this a douche move? Yes. Is it worth it for me? Also yes. Man, at least you agree that it's a bit of a douche move to out yourself as blue. a) you're telling the truth, and now we have to vote you in or spend our medic on you constantly. b) you're a lying git, and are successfully screwing with the elections. I'm inclined to say that your roleclaim is truthful, as it's fairly easy for us to figure out if you actually have dt abilities or not. STILL A DOUCHE MOVE. Tnkted's Plan We don't elect Protract. Instead, we use him as bait. Watcher should watch Protract. In the morning, you should post everyone who visited him. Any assassins that visit protract in the night will be revealed to each other (something I'm certain they don't want) and any mafia trying to hit our strongest player will be revealed as well. Of course, we reveal our watcher in this plan, but is it worth it to the assassins to trade their anonymity for one kill? It would completely end their parts in the game by the second night, and would turn an enjoyable game of lurking in the shadows into certain death. Thoughts? A reasonable idea. I have no problems with this course of action at the moment, will have to think a little more on it. | ||
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Going to agree with you here. This just makes mig sooo much more suspicious. Also withdrawing my suspicion from you DocH. Your posts that made me worry have been outweighed by the solid ones since. Also Pandain, if you're going to fake roleclaim, on Day 1 no less, then we can't trust anything you're going to do for the rest of the game really. can we lynch him soon please? | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:37 Barundar wrote: I find it interesting you want to lynch someone you don't think is scum. I have a much clearer town read on GMarshal than on DrH, and I find lynching kavdragon day 1 silly. I didn't think he was scum when he was roleclaiming dt. Now that he has cancelled his claim, I don't trust his play at all. Just woke up, off to work. I notice I have about 8 pages to catch up on. Dear god TL produces a lot of text  | ||
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Protact: Your main points are seemingly valid, but if it comes to the late game, and you've completed your win condition then we will not have a town mayor in a position of safety from which to lynch scum. I do not believe that the other assassins would be gunning for our bodyguards however - I believe they would wait for the bodyguards to be taken out by the mafia, and then go in for the kill. Mafia may even try to discover who the other assassins are, completing the assassin game more quickly and stripping town of their mayor position even more quickly. Too much risk for us in these cases, compared to us having a townie in the position. Massive props for the 10-ton steel balls you had to announce yourself that early on though. I would like to know your position in this case: If you become mayor, and determine the last assassin other than you, would you willingly delay using your last KP on this person? As far as I can see, that would put you at risk of not completing your win condition as mafia + assassin could well take you out if they find out the BGs. We would obviously want you to stay in position as long as possible, not only for the assassin abilities but for the votes the mayoral position has. At what point would your position become untenable and you'd have to kill the last assassin and leave the game? Chaoser: I think you're probably green. Not certain though. I would like to know why you decided to switch your vote from GM to Protact after the assassin reveal. Do you believe that having an assassin (I'm pretty certain protact wasn't lying when he claimed assassin) is preferable to having a town player (again, pretty certain GM is town, no clue whether green or blue though) and if so, why? Dr. H: As I've mentioned previously, I no longer have a read on you. Your initial post about assassins was great we should help assassins simply so that they do not accidentally kill townies. so if you suspect someone may be an assassin, by all means announce it and give your analysis. if that guides the assassins toward killing eachother instead of us, that's great. you could also analayse someone you believe to be mafia as assassin if you are confident you can goad an assassin into hitting them, that would work as well. but you then became quite aggressive, and seemingly changed your mind about an assassin mayor. I'd like to know why at that point you felt you could no longer trust protact? Kavdragon:I personally do not have a read on you at all. A lot of people are saying they read you as red. What do you believe in your posts contradicts this heavily? What is your long term plan for this game if you were to become mayor? GMarshall: I think you're green, so most of my questions are to do with your plans as mayor. Why do you believe lynching inactives is a superior choice as opposed to lynching lurker posters? Is it solely a scare tactic to encourage posting, or is there an additional motive behind this? Who would your ideal pick be for a pardoner - suspected green, a roleclaiming blue, or a practically confirmed black? I'm not talking about this game in particular - would like to hear your choices just based on this information. Finally, sorry if I've forgotten to mention a candidate, but two questions to every candidate - Who are the two people you most want to lynch, and who are the two people you are most sure are green? | ||
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On April 12 2011 02:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: My mind didn't change on whether or not I trust protactinium, it changed on whether or not he should be mayor. If he is pardoner, this would be absolutely sufficient to fulfill both his needs and our needs while spinning the assassin game to be in our advantage. At first I thought like Jackal, this would guarantee a non-scum mayor and this would basically do away with all the pesky election analysis that wastes time, but the mayor is pretty strong in this game and it's going to be better for town with a green/blue mayor and a black pardoner I think. Fair enough. Solid explanation. On April 12 2011 02:11 chaoser wrote: Already stated this somewhere, you can go find it. Long story short, I think prot's positives are worth the negatives that he might bring with him. He's a better analyst than GM (no offense!) and he's giving us presents (Two guns and a check?! It must be Christmas) Sorry. Must have missed the post on my previous read throughs. Am satisfied with the reasons for your choice. | ||
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On April 12 2011 05:43 AirbladeOrange wrote: The more I think about it especially with this post, I believe there is a decent chance mafia is running multiple people. There is a big power struggle for mayor. I'm not really convinced any one the candidates are mafia, but maybe two of the major ones are mafia and are arguing with each other to further confuse us. Marshal and Dr. H both being mafia? I don't know how plausible that is but it could really throw us for a loop and is something we should keep in mind. I know I don't have sound examples for this but all the major candidates seem to be good players and it could easily throw newer players like myself off. I just wanted to let everyone know I'm trying to think about this and this is what's on my mind. There are no town PM circles, and the mayor and pardoner learn the identities of the bodyguards, so if mafia gains one position, they can wipe out the other fairly quickly. Add on the voting capability of the mayor and the one-time lynchblock (which would have to be lategame only for mafia as we'd probably lynch the pardoner pretty quick afterwards) and it's pretty clear that the mafia would want to run at least one campaign for mayor. If I had to say which candidate I think is the most scummy, I'd call Kav. Maybe. It's more of a 'least-obviously-town' choice rather than a pro-mafia choice. GMarshal I think it's silly to lynch the pardoner - If we want rid of the role completely, try and vote a green in and get him to pardon one of the early lynches (perhaps the first one where we aren't sure of our lynch victim, probably the day 1 lynch). This gets rid of the pardon whilst still protecting a probable green. If mafia obtain one of the positions, and don't block the lynch, then we can lynch on the next turn in the knowledge that we're definitely lynching scum that time. Please do not consider lynching the pardoner purely to get rid of the pardon. There is no reason to. On April 12 2011 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't like the idea of a blue "list". Here is my advice: Detective - Investigate the person you most suspect of being scum. Medics - Protect the a person you believe to be town who you think might get hit (active scumhunters/people who hinted they might be blue) Trackers - Track inactive players. If they do something, read their posts and try to determine if they are quiet blues or scum. Watchers - Watch someone you believe to be town who you think might get hit. I think this is great advice. Blues should listen to this. Especially if you aren't hugely experienced at Mafia - I'm certainly not. What I would like to ask the more experienced TL Mafia members - In previous IRC games I've played, we had an IRC channel (I assume to all intents and purposes a pm circle is the same) that the mayor could invite people to and as a result the pooling of blue info was possible with only a small chance (mayor inviting a mafia) of the mafia finding out who the blues were. This is going to sound mafia as all hell, but what are the usual ways of blues sharing info without letting mafia know who the blues are? Is it solid analysis from town? Does one detective post his info like mad hoping a medic is around? If you don't want to share these tips, could you recommend a mafia game on TL that also did not have a town pm circle of any kind so I could read up on how this information can be shared? | ||
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On April 12 2011 08:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Got home from school so I actually have the time to post some stuff now. Pardoning an early lynch isn't a good idea if it's for no particular use. This is for one of the same reasons I wouldn't want a black mayor. If we're forced to pardon, or to policy lynch, this early in the game, all it does is give scum another chance to shoot 4 kp into the town, and if we do it on day 2, it give assassins another chance to shoot too. So that's 8-14 KP for only one lynch or no lynch at all. And, in thinking about it, the pardon doesn't seem to have much use at all for town. I wasn't advocating an early lynch - perhaps I should have phrased it differently. I would like the pardoner role to be a confirmed townie along with the mayor. I would not want a wasted pardon. I was merely suggesting that if Marshal really wanted rid of the pardoner role, then there was a way of doing it that wasted the same amount of time without lynching someone who is ideally green. On April 12 2011 08:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: If we could agree on a lynch target for today, one thing we could try to do, is vote in one mayor, and then vote our lynch target in as pardoner. Then the mayor just lynches the "pardoner", who was the original lynch target. This way, we kill the same player and get rid of the decidedly anti-town pardoner at the same time. The fairly large problem with voting our lynch target into the pardoner seat is that any of our lynch targets are hopefully scum. We do NOT want any scum in the leadership positions at all as they will learn the identities of the bodyguards. We need those players as untraceable as possible to protect our mayor. Admittedly, this would not be too horrific if the anti-town pardoner was a suspected assassin but it's still not a good idea to give anyone who's not green or blue the identity of our BGs. Finally before I go to bed (and then to work) I'll post a few of my reads. Bear in mind this is my first TL mafia, as opposed to with friends so I'm not able to employ pretty much any meta Strong Green read: GMarshal DocH Reasonably Green read: tnked Wiggles chaoser Possibly red read: aidnai redFF TranceStorm Likely Red read: m0nsterchef Blacker than a coal-miners ass at midnight: Protact Merely slightly gray: kita - this one is pure gut. No actual analysis behind this call, everyone feel free to disregard it. Something's just whispering assassin to me. hopefully once I read more of your posts I can either confirm this or forget about it. The rest of you, I've either not looked at your posts enough or I'm unsure about what your aims and thus your alignments are. EDIT: Was purely to add bold tags to the original post. The extremely close time between edit and OP should identify that. | ||
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Many apologies for this. It may not even matter though - may always get shot before friday morning I guess. | ||
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