EPTDon't know if this is backup or something.
Will also be my first mafia game ever if I get in :D
Mini Mafia V: Clues and Puzzles
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Don't know if this is backup or something. Will also be my first mafia game ever if I get in :D | ||
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Sounds so fun :D | ||
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On January 26 2011 15:25 darmousseh wrote: OMG, that is the best character......which Q though? The one of TNG :D so much info about Q which would sound like I would be mafia hahaha :D I find it interesting if I were town but my character profile would make it sound like it were mafia :D | ||
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On January 29 2011 12:39 LSB wrote: I glanced down at the articles. The pirates had captured the fort and held control, it was a 12 hour hostage situation with the governor trapped inside. Negotiations failed, and the Navy had to be called in. Under the cover of the cannons, the redcoats stormed in and ended the situation. Sadly the governor did not make it out alive. I replied “The pirates are getting bolder and bolder. Good thing the Crown protects us”. “But why? Why did the pirates take over the fort?” I thought for a moment, “Money? Certainly a governor is worth a large ransom of pounds” LSB replied, “My dear Kav, that indeed is the question. ” Minutes later LSB received a phone call. He turned to me and spoke, “Come with me, the commissioner has another hostage situation.” Apparently, it was the British East Indian company this time. Their shareholder board was conducted a meeting, and an unknown group broke through. Currently the whereabouts of the shareholder board and the group is unknown. The police are operating under the suspicion that these are pirates, possibly connected to the pirates that captured the fort. As we arrived on the scene, I immediately headed to the meeting room. LSB stopped me and asked me “What are you doing?”. “I’m going to see if I can find anything about the pirates, maybe they left things behind.” LSB thought for a moment, and said, “Fair enough, tell me if you find something.” And split. I paced around the room and took notes on everything I saw. There was relatively little bloodshed. Random splotches of bloods. An unorganized attack. Curiously enough, I would expect the body of the guards to be located around here, but they were strangely absent. Besides the blood, the only thing that gave any indication of what happened were the minutes, still resting on the table with the feather pen beside it, notes unfinished. Something was wrong, the feather pen did not seem like it was in the right position. As I looked down, I realized that the last line was crossed out, and obscured by red ink. The Inspector walked behind me. “I see you’ve noticed it,” he said. “The same thing happened at the Governor’s fort.” I asked, “The crossed out message?” The Inspector replied, “Not just that. You’ve probably read the papers, but you probably don’t know thing. We never saw our negotiators. The demands of the pirates were attached to arrows and shot. The notes? Written in blood.” Horrified I looked down on the minutes… the red ink… it was blood. He paused for a moment. “When we finally broke through, I could not find them. They were missing…” I asked a question. “Wait, missing?” The Inspector answered, “We never found bodies, just blood. They negotiators could be still alive, but that’s impossible, there is no way they could have just disappeared, the bodies must have been hidden.” And I asked one last question, “So, did you interview any survivors?” The Inspector replied, “No, the pirates killed everyone. And the pirates themselves? They would rather kill themselves than be captured” At that moment LSB came back and muttered, “Empty, it’s empty.” And at that moment, the wall collapsed onto LSB, and he disappeared in a giant burst of gravel. I bolded everything that came raised a question to me. The pirates are the people we are looking for (mafia). Negiotiations failed => indication of not listening to authority or to anyone who opposes them. Navy had to be called in. Under the cover of the cannons => When you read the article you can tell it is in a fort that was at some point invaded by pirates and a governor was taken hostage. What's a Crown? I googled it and came at wiki about union of the crowns. Something about Scotland and England. Might be a good indication about the people's origins. Furthermore How do the Navy operate? I would think it's over the waters on their ships but I might be mistaken. Why call the Navy specifically for the pirates? Is the fort on an island easily reachable by ships or what? the British East Indian company => An indication that this might be relative to the pirates objective. We don't know if the pirates raided their place. Might also be an indication that this was the work of someone else individually? Or do all Mafia work together with no traitor or something to catch us off guard? Random splotches of bloods => Nothing is random. It must mean something but we don't have any info on this. Need to know about this. Besides the blood, the only thing that gave any indication of what happened were the minutes, still resting on the table with the feather pen beside it, notes unfinished. => The minutes? Not sure what this means? The time that has passed? How can this be an indication? How long ago did this raid happen? Something was wrong, the feather pen did not seem like it was in the right position. As I looked down, I realized that the last line was crossed out, and obscured by red ink. => feather pen. I googled history of pens and there were already normal pensils. So why was it a feather pen? Little indication about the BEI. Last line obscured by red ink which was blood. What did it say? The same thing happened at the Governor’s fort. => No negotiations there with the governor dead. So far there are no bodies and we haven't seen anyone from that raid yet. If there's a body means their objective is to get to know something which those people might be able to know but what? If there won't be any body means that the someone of the persons kidnapped is important or atleast has valuable information/object what the pirates want. We never saw our negotiators. => What purpose does this have for the pirates? Afaik pirates like to be famous no? So their leader must have something bigger in plan. Why not take credit for what you do as a pirate? You want to get notorious as a pirate. The notes? Written in blood. => What's the message? Indication of dead bodies but not certain. Can't tell anything about this or it raises my interest but I don't know why. We never found bodies, just blood. They negotiators could be still alive, but that’s impossible, there is no way they could have just disappeared, the bodies must have been hidden. => What does a dead person do for a pirate if they aren't showing it? Indication that they've kidnapped them to extract valuable information. Meaning that the mafia will strike another place with similar methods. No, the pirates killed everyone. And the pirates themselves? They would rather kill themselves than be captured. => what? First they say that there are no bodies then the inspector says the pirates killed everyone. Empty, it’s empty. => what is? There are no recordings so it must be something that could point the fingers to certain people. What does BEI have that can do this? LSB, and he disappeared in a giant burst of gravel => This I don't understand. Why say gravel and not dust. What does gravel mean? Some relationship with a criminal? Those are questions I asked myself. I don't even know who who is yet. But from this you can already get a low profile of our suspects. Important one is that they're supposedly pirates who don't want to get known for what they've been doing. Meaning they don't take credit for their actions. They don't negotiate. Only demand. Seems they execute their raids swiftly. If the police doesn't even know where they are and how they do it. We should first analyse the story more in next 10-12 hours and then the other 10-12 hours for personality analysis of our characters to compare the actions in the story with what our characters would do. Then voting I guess? | ||
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That last part of LSB about gravel does make it sound like it's Gaara but the rest of the story doesn't fit him as it seems it's all about 1 person and the story fits others moreso than him. But let's not exlude the writer as well. Has that writer any stories which is similar to the situations LSB has written? For now it seems it's either Carlos the Jackal or the writer. | ||
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On January 30 2011 06:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This is a dumb defense. If LSB had never watched/seen Naruto he'd have nearly no way of knowing all of that. And you can just as easily say with any one that "sure the story fits my character in X way but not in Y way" because there are very rarely perfect clue situations. If Node got the impression that gravel was a fair connection to Gaara then that could very well be what LSB was thinking when he wrote the clue. I'm not saying it's you but this doesn't actually rebutt anything Node was saying. The fact that you were that defensive when he didn't accuse you (and actually said the story doesn't really fit you overall) makes me more wary than anything. But on the other hand. LSB could've just read the wiki's. There's a reason why there are links of everyone as that is enough to come up with clues about the suspects and Gaara isn't the biggest suspect in my view (biggest is Carlos due to all his characteristics of a terrorist). So far I can only think between Gaara or Carlos whereas leaning more towards Carlos. Neither of them have all clues matching with their characters which makes it hard (whether it's LSB's attention or not) to figure out precisely how LSB thinks and what he means with some clues. I read the link of Gulliver's travels but I have not really seen any indication or similarity in the wiki about the clues that have been given. I didn't read anything about murdering people or bodies disappearing. The only link you could think of is about the 18th century and that it's from the same time as Jonathan Swift. But the place and time shouldn't really be relevant about the suspect as LSB mentioned in his post. So for me Jonathan Swift isn't a suspect for today. | ||
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On January 30 2011 08:43 Jackal58 wrote: Actually there are 3 that really have no attachment unless you really stretch it. 1. chaoser Holden Caulfield - Catcher in the Rye doesn't set off anything 2. darmousseh Gaara - Gravel 3. CubEdIn Raiden - Teleportation - No bodies 4. GMarshal Jonathan Swift - Unless this includes Gulliver's Travels nothing but perhaps time period 5. shannn Q Omnipotent character that can do anything. Including everything in the day post 6. Node Dinosaur Comics Main Cast - Other than squashing log cabins not much 7. Jackal58 Ilich Ramírez Sánchez Comparing pirates to terrorists 8. DoctorHelvetica Thom_Yorke Eye Patch, Eraser, British 9. Mr. Wiggles Yossarian Bombardier, Missing peoples 10. Kenpachi Zaraki Kenpachi Captain, Eyepatch, Blood 11. Pandain Ling Ling Dead Panda. Not much. Perhaps this is the "puzzle" part. 3 that aren't connected? So that makes me suspect number 1. Because my character can do all of the things mentioned. That would make me suspect number 1 on every day post every time someone picks Q or an omnipotent being as their character. If only you get the powers of your character you're playing ^^ Would've ended this entire mafia game in 1 second. Anyways, one another thing. I don't know why chaoser already is voting against Node which has no connection to the day 1 post yet. He could be mafia but he isn't described in the clues in any way. Dinosaurs lol. Voting for Node is just a blind pick and hoping he is mafia. It kind of makes it seem that you're trying to divert the attention away from one of the main suspects (Carlos most likely). | ||
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Kind of having doubts now. Thinking either Gaara or Carlos which has the most similar aspects of the clues. Going with Carlos since he stands out more than others. ##Vote Jackal58 Might change when there is new info. | ||
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So what is happening now guys? Mafia can kill 1 and town just waits till day >.>? How do we people know there's a medic in the first place? I know it's mentioned in the roles but isn't stated anywhere that there is a medic in the first place. But on the other hand it could also very well mean there are 2 medics or w/e. This goes for veteran as well. But if there is a medic among us then the following people should be protected: - Mr. Wiggles: I think Mr. Wiggles should be first because he was spot on with Jackal with his first analysis and he is very usefull for Town. - DrH: He's been being very objective and not discounting anything. Furthermore anything what Jackal said was mostly contradicted by DrH like how to analyse etc. So this gives me an even more impressions that he's surely pro-town. But in any case I have another thing while I was reading the past pages of this thread. On January 29 2011 14:54 chaoser wrote: I was thinking exactly that. Jonathan Swift was always looking to make it big in society. He tried unsuccessfully to political position so maybe that's why the pirates took governor hostage. It wasn't money they were looking for, which Holmes alluded to, it was power. Also, the pen and crossing out might be referring to the fact that he revised Gulliver's travels many times. In Gulliver's travels, he, for a while, worked with pirates to travel to different lands. All of this though, is only loosely tied to what's written. I still don't know why the pen "being positioned wrong" and the "it's empty" means. What is empty? The place? Is the fact that it's devoid of life the clue? Chaoser quotes Jackal and both of them were thinking about the 18th century Naval references. I would expect chaoser to be a bit experienced in mafia yet he thinks about the 18th century references which should not be an indication for mafia people because if you combine that with LSB's day 1 post it would indicate that he is probably mafia. Please note, the setting of this story, Britain in the 18th century, does not have anything to do with the mafia. Also because I didn’t want to research stuff that wasn’t going to be relevant, I’ll be using modern terminology Furthermore he randomly votes for Node out of the blue. Of course this can be interpreted as a way to pressure someone to actually post more and I asked why he would do such a thing? Chaoser then went inactive for some reason or just doesn't want to respond to my questions. DrH then gave me a logical reason but from his view and not from chaoser's. DrH then tells me that posting behavior means clues and he also says that chaoser is smart enough to know that. So why would chaoser do something like that? Beginners mistake? So this gives me an even more of an impression that chaoser is most likely mafia and to watch out for. | ||
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Furthermore upon reading the day 2 post and replies from others I stumbled upon this. I bolded what I found curious combining with LSB's day 2 post. On February 01 2011 12:01 Pandain wrote: Wait so the fifth picture is a red herring? Let's just get out a description of each thing: 1.Drop the bomb, exterminate them all. Angry statement, from apocalypse now(the movie). The movie was about a guy who was worshipped as god or something.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_Now 2.Lego's, 4 guys over two dead robotic things. Aliens? 3.Snow, no evidence of any person, but tracks. A single tree. Where is this picture from? 4.Magic tricks, hocus pocus kit. 5.Music. Point 1 -> a guy who was worshipped as a god -> Raiden is a god Point 4 -> Magic tricks -> Raiden has abilities that uses magic Above was already mentioned before but this is where I found it interesting. Raiden is a game character from Mortal Kombat. If you look at LSB's day 2 post what is the image referring to ? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5ushe.png) An Arcade game. If you click the following link and look at the right and check Platform of origin: Link. It says arcade as the platform of origin. Combine that with all the vague replies and trying to divert attentions and taking the cheap shot at me which Jackal did as well to get his own suspicions off himself I think that CubedIn is mafia! | ||
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On February 02 2011 05:42 chaoser wrote: ##Vote Kenpachi How's that for a stance? I must say that your analysis does say a lot about kenpachi and indirectly about DrH. Your reasoning about Node is logical afterwards but at the time you were laying low and not saying anything makes it seem that you just couldn't defend yourself with. Giving reasons out afterwards is a bit easy to defend yourself with because you can take into the account of the events that happened afterwards. In either case it's still going to make you a strong suspect. You don't talk / go into the discussion on the people that is being discussed here and that's that DrH and Cubed are being suspected of being mafia by eachother. It's like the saying, if it's too good to be true it is. The music sheets and all makes it sound too easy to target me or DrH. Cubed however takes a bit of analyse like Jackal. You say it was too easy to find out that Jackal was mafia, but did you forget that some clues are just there to throw us off. Like gravel in the first post or the bodies. Jackal however had 1 key clue (a group name). The rest is a bit of speculation which supports the clue indirectly. This time we don't really know the key clue yet BUT we do have 2 strong leads which can imply what the key clue is. There are only 2 strong theories so far about the suspects DrH and Cubed. The first one being is games. The day 2 picture = arcade game about pressing the music at the right time like guitar hero (or w/e the name is). - The picture about drop the bomb / apocalypse = about a movie where he thinks he's a god which points at Raiden a character of a video game. - Lego = hobby/game - The poker cards = game - The music sheet = games always have music This tells me the snow image is just a fake clue. That's it about Cubed. For DrH the post can also mean to him because: - Day 2 image = game about music - Drop the bomb or something others have said -> it's tied to Radiohead which is -> tied to Thom Yorke. - Lego -> I have no clue about yet - snow -> the fake clue - Cards -> house of cards another lyric of Radiohead -> Thom Yorke - Music sheet -> music -> Thom Yorke. Don't know which one was the fan lyric. Both have strong ties to the images directly or indirectly through their key clues which is either game or music. You people decide. I haven't decided yet but will be tommorow (when's the deadline for voting?). Also what were the voting of everyone? I'd like to know. | ||
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Node - chaoser Jackal - DrHelvetica - MrWiggles - shannn - Node - darmousseh darmousseh - Kenpachi - Jackal (mafia) Missing votes: - CubedIn - GMarshall - Paindain | ||
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On February 02 2011 06:54 Pandain wrote: Honestly this is a bit wifom, but I think the music clue is way too obvious. Especially after LSB got a little "called out" for being a bit too obvious on the Carlos the Jackal thing, then having a music sheet be a clue for a musician? That's too obvious. Furthormore originally I thought the youtube video was a good find, but its fan made and the other pictures don't relate to him really at all. Finally, on a non-clue standpoint, Dr. H is one of the few people I feel is really pro town. He voted Jackal early, warded me against trying to get someone else lynched, and overall has been pretty pro town. But actually I think the clues might point to someone else: Q, from Startrek. The first picture, which says "drop the bomb, exterminate them all." Q in several Star trek episodes, notably "Neverending Trial", said that Humanity should be destroyed. Usually he had a request, "Do this or be destroyed" but the basis is the same. The second picture, with aliens, well that's pretty obvious. An obviously non human entity is killed by other humans. Note the strange creature is even holding what appears to be a laser gun. As for the picture of tracks, in the snow. I think this might be related to him in that he could do anything. Such as teleport, turn invisible, and so forth. So when you see tracks but no person, that immediately pops into my mind. The fourth picture is obvious as well. A magic card set, and Q can do things which appear as magic. The fifth picture I believe is the red herring. It was set to cast suspicion most notably upon Dr. H. I like that you cast suspicion on me. I'm not going to defend myself because there is nothing that I can gain by defending myself. I am Q I fit all clues no matter what. Day 1 clues I can fit them all. Day 2 I can fit them all. Like I said previously. Anything but I mean anything can be related to me. Everyone who is pointing their suspicion towards me is a suspect of being mafia. Why you ask? Simply because if I were to follow your own post I'd have this. On February 02 2011 06:54 Pandain wrote: Honestly this is a bit wifom, but I think the music clue is way too obvious. Especially after LSB got a little "called out" for being a bit too obvious on the Carlos the Jackal thing, then having a music sheet be a clue for a musician? That's too obvious. | ||
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On February 02 2011 07:03 chaoser wrote: I'm horrible with clues, especially this one since I have no idea where to start. That's why I'm doing more analysis of posts and why I voted Node even though there weren't anything in the clues that talked about him. And that why I'd prefer Kenpachi to be lynched given my read through of his posts. If i had to pick between Dr.H and Cube though, I'd pick Dr. H just cause of the semi connection he has to Kenpachi. If he flips red, we probably have our last mafia. The idea that Jackal's death was bussed is still very much in my head. The way I see it happening is like this. Wiggles and Node provide really solid analysis of the clues and the mafia, seeing that he'd probably get lynched, jumped first to bus him before any townie could vote for him. When he flipped Red, the first person (Dr. H) could always fall back on "why would I bus my own teammate day 1 when no one else had voted for him yet" even though in reality, he was already on the chopping block, mafia just wanted to seem pro town. With Kenpachi's little remarks about how Dr. H is the most pro-town, people would start to think, yeah, maybe he IS pro town and not mafia at all. If you notice, wiggles, node, and shann already put a lot of pressure on Jackal already in the beginning. Dr. H was too busy talking about pandas and whether they eat people or not and all of a sudden busts out with this: when his previous posts had all been talking about pandas with Pandain and darmousseh Yes I agree with you. If Kenpachi does flip red then DrH is automatically red and Kenpachi hasn't really contributed much of his own analysis which you have pointed out. It's also interesting to note that if you read my above post of the votes that was done then you can see that Kenpachi and Jackal both voted the same guy which is darmousseh (Gaara). It supports your theory but it still doesn't get you off the hook yet. | ||
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