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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 25 2011 23:26 GMT
#11
This seems short and interesting. If this is a clue focused game then maybe I'll /in. Mini games are neat.

I'll /in for now actually. If you can elaborate a bit more on how this game will work (you can PM me if you prefer) then I'll make a decision but the "picking a person" sounds awesome if it is what I think it is.

Anyway, I'll choose Thom Yorke (lead singer, guitarist, and songwriter from the band Radiohead)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Yorke
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 26 2011 02:52 GMT
#19
On January 26 2011 10:32 Node wrote:
/in

My character is the assorted cast of Dinosaur Comics.

I am going to be so all over any Thom Yorke clues.

"a twitchy one eyed leprachaun stabbed the mayor to death, babbling about global warming as he slaughtered him mercilessly"

hopefully it wont be that obvious
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 29 2011 21:07 GMT
#90
A panda would likely leave a lot of blood behind in the case of an attack as an animal isn't particularly precise or careful when it attacks something. A bear could also eat the remains, explaining why bodies were gone. Just a thought.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 29 2011 21:10 GMT
#91
On January 30 2011 03:35 darmousseh wrote:
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On January 30 2011 02:03 Node wrote:
While I agree that "disappeared in a giant burst of gravel" would seem to point towards Gaara, I don't think the story as a whole fits him that much. I don't know too much about the character, I'm just going by the Wikipedia article. Is there any plot in Naruto that mirrors the events in the day post at all?

On January 26 2011 08:50 LSB wrote:
Each day post will be about one mafia. It won't be obvious, but it will be pretty specific once you figure out what is happening.

One idea I have for a day post is a Sherlock Holmes story.
A typical Sherlock Holmes story gives you enough info that you figure out everything that is happening, and then Holmes explains what happens. What if I gave you a Sherlock Holmes story, but killed off Sherlock before he could explain what happened? There's all the information, and its up to you to figure out what happened.

EDIT: The clues will be much more specific than XXXVI. Once you figure it out what the day post is about, it will point to one person, but the problem is figuring it out.


This all seems to state that the story as a whole will point to a specific person, rather than there being a small reference slipped in somewhere. This makes me think that Carlos the Jackal is the best fit so far. I mean, it's a string of hostage situations caused by a terrorist organization. Does that sound like anybody else?


Obviously I'll be a little biased since my character is gaara, but

Gaara used sand and in all cases he always left behind traces of sand and thats it, he never any traces of blood. There was a character in naruto who was like gaara but used rocks, but he didn't have a big role and wasn't related to gaara at all.

If the clues are anything like XXXVI, then usually the entire post is reference to the person and there are 5-6 clues which point directly to that person which fit the entire post, not a small portion.

Carlos the jackal seems like a very good match so far. Yesterday was the wife's birthday, so today I will have time to read the thread and I'll try to find hints.





This is a dumb defense. If LSB had never watched/seen Naruto he'd have nearly no way of knowing all of that. And you can just as easily say with any one that "sure the story fits my character in X way but not in Y way" because there are very rarely perfect clue situations. If Node got the impression that gravel was a fair connection to Gaara then that could very well be what LSB was thinking when he wrote the clue. I'm not saying it's you but this doesn't actually rebutt anything Node was saying. The fact that you were that defensive when he didn't accuse you (and actually said the story doesn't really fit you overall) makes me more wary than anything.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 29 2011 22:30 GMT
#97
On January 30 2011 07:24 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 06:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
A panda would likely leave a lot of blood behind in the case of an attack as an animal isn't particularly precise or careful when it attacks something. A bear could also eat the remains, explaining why bodies were gone. Just a thought.


Pandas don't eat humans? And they eat bamboo for 99% of diet?

Anyway, will be contributing with my thoughts shortly.

Yes I know they don't eat humans. But if I were a mod and writing a clue for a panda bear I'd probably just go the "frenzied animal maiming" route. Referring to bamboo is too obvious.

I said that because earlier someone implied the clues made you exempt. Let me make it clear I'm not accusing you of being the attacker. I'm merely stating it isn't an impossibility and it would be close minded to clear you.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 29 2011 22:31 GMT
#98
On January 30 2011 07:28 darmousseh wrote:
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On January 30 2011 07:24 Pandain wrote:
On January 30 2011 06:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
A panda would likely leave a lot of blood behind in the case of an attack as an animal isn't particularly precise or careful when it attacks something. A bear could also eat the remains, explaining why bodies were gone. Just a thought.


Pandas don't eat humans? And they eat bamboo for 99% of diet?

Anyway, will be contributing with my thoughts shortly.



I asked my wife and she said that they will occasionally attack humans but it is a very rare occurence. Even though their diet is mostly bamboo they will eat meat.

However, pandas probably wouldn't eat the whole body and would leave a very mangled body left over.

the second point is irrelevant as clues in mafia games will not function based perfectly on logical reality. that isn't the kind of thing i want to see as a defense.

one thing i hate about clue games is there is no possible way to defend yourself from them aside from the chainsaw defense which is inherently scummy.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 30 2011 00:50 GMT
#103
##Vote Jackal58

The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.

Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 30 2011 04:35 GMT
#115
On January 30 2011 10:59 Jackal58 wrote:
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On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
##Vote Jackal58

The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.

Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.

I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post.
I don't know if LSB went that far.
Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?

And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it.


A couple things wrong here:

A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.

B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy.

C. The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 30 2011 04:35 GMT
#116
On January 30 2011 09:59 shannn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 08:43 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 30 2011 08:24 Pandain wrote:
Okay let's get this started. First off I like Wiggles clue analysis, I think it really is the best option that we have as far as pinning people from clues go. The link to gaara is pretty vaugue, and while possible, there are more connections to Jackal than Gaara.

Furthormore, on an analysis view point, Jackal sticks out to me very heavily. While he's been posting alot, he hasn't contributed anything besides a very weak clue analysis that really I don't even see how that fits to the missing bodies. Obviously there is a slight connection(flight +teleportion), but its very weak.

Furthormore, he's often just brought up stuff, but not sure at all. I'm not sure how to phrase this, but its like he's just offering it up and then not actually "saying anything." I hope you know what I mean.
On January 29 2011 13:57 Jackal58 wrote:
Jonathan Swift? Gulliver's Travels? 18th century British Naval references?
Anybody up on their Lilliputians?

I'm going to bed. My head hurts.

On January 29 2011 13:22 Jackal58 wrote:
Pandas eat bamboo. If Q was pissed at pandas he'd just make them all disappear.
I'm not seeing anything but the wall/gravel connection yet. And that's not all that strong.



This isn't a "your sure mafia", rather a FoS. Jackal, you said you found clues to everyone's profile, mind sharing that?

Actually there are 3 that really have no attachment unless you really stretch it.

1. chaoser Holden Caulfield - Catcher in the Rye doesn't set off anything
2. darmousseh Gaara - Gravel
3. CubEdIn Raiden - Teleportation - No bodies
4. GMarshal Jonathan Swift - Unless this includes Gulliver's Travels nothing but perhaps time period
5. shannn Q Omnipotent character that can do anything. Including everything in the day post
6. Node Dinosaur Comics Main Cast - Other than squashing log cabins not much
7. Jackal58 Ilich Ramírez Sánchez Comparing pirates to terrorists
8. DoctorHelvetica Thom_Yorke Eye Patch, Eraser, British
9. Mr. Wiggles Yossarian Bombardier, Missing peoples
10. Kenpachi Zaraki Kenpachi Captain, Eyepatch, Blood
11. Pandain Ling Ling Dead Panda. Not much.

Perhaps this is the "puzzle" part. 3 that aren't connected?

So that makes me suspect number 1. Because my character can do all of the things mentioned. That would make me suspect number 1 on every day post every time someone picks Q or an omnipotent being as their character. If only you get the powers of your character you're playing ^^ Would've ended this entire mafia game in 1 second.

Anyways, one another thing. I don't know why chaoser already is voting against Node which has no connection to the day 1 post yet. He could be mafia but he isn't described in the clues in any way. Dinosaurs lol. Voting for Node is just a blind pick and hoping he is mafia. It kind of makes it seem that you're trying to divert the attention away from one of the main suspects (Carlos most likely).


because posting behavior >>>>>>>>>>>>> clues and chaoser is smart enough to know that
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 30 2011 04:36 GMT
#117
On January 30 2011 13:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 10:59 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
##Vote Jackal58

The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.

Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.

I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post.
I don't know if LSB went that far.
Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?

And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it.


Two things wrong here:

A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.

B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy.

The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do.

EBWOQ (edit by way of quote). Explanation of "chainsaw defense" should not be included in criticisms because I was just answering a question.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 30 2011 21:40 GMT
#121
On January 30 2011 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 13:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 30 2011 10:59 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
##Vote Jackal58

The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.

Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.

I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post.
I don't know if LSB went that far.
Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?

And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it.


A couple things wrong here:

A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.

B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy.

C. The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do.

I was responding to your perceived implication of my apparent attempt to connect Jonathan Swift to the clues.If you wish to include A Modest Proposal in the list of things a clue could point to feel free. If that's how you guts are doing clue analysis this game is going to be a slam dunk for red.

I'm disappointed. I thought the chainsaw defense was going to be something much more exciting.


i don't understand your response

so we should utilize only your connection of J Swift. and not consider any others? if anything its more likely he'll connect AMP than gullivers travels since that work is quoted in gmarshall's profile. it would be stupid not to consider it
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 30 2011 23:01 GMT
#125
On January 31 2011 07:47 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 06:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 30 2011 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 30 2011 13:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 30 2011 10:59 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
##Vote Jackal58

The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.

Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.

I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post.
I don't know if LSB went that far.
Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?

And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it.


A couple things wrong here:

A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.

B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy.

C. The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do.

I was responding to your perceived implication of my apparent attempt to connect Jonathan Swift to the clues.If you wish to include A Modest Proposal in the list of things a clue could point to feel free. If that's how you guts are doing clue analysis this game is going to be a slam dunk for red.

I'm disappointed. I thought the chainsaw defense was going to be something much more exciting.


i don't understand your response

so we should utilize only your connection of J Swift. and not consider any others? if anything its more likely he'll connect AMP than gullivers travels since that work is quoted in gmarshall's profile. it would be stupid not to consider it

Goddamit I HAVE MADE NO CONNECTION TO SWIFT!!!!!!
Stop putting words in my mouth.


no

4. GMarshal Jonathan Swift - Unless this includes Gulliver's Travels nothing but perhaps time period


I was just saying there was something else possible besides Gulliver's Travels reference and that A Modest Proposal may be more likely to be referenced. That's all. I'm not insinuating you accused GMarshall. I'm just expanding on what you said.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 31 2011 02:14 GMT
#138
Well done.

Hopefully the medics know who to protect tonight.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 31 2011 17:12 GMT
#158
from the pm's pandain sent me it looks like his goal was to find another vote opportunity

if he's mafia, it's smart that he'd check with me. if i come out and try to get the vote change it gives that initiative more credibility and could take suspicion off pandain if jackal flips later.

wait for tomorrows clues, but pandain is the most suspicious character right now.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 01 2011 01:45 GMT
#163
On February 01 2011 10:36 shannn wrote:
I should've read posts better. I missed the posts saying that the mafia lsb mentioned were not in the game lol.

So what is happening now guys? Mafia can kill 1 and town just waits till day >.>?

How do we people know there's a medic in the first place? I know it's mentioned in the roles but isn't stated anywhere that there is a medic in the first place. But on the other hand it could also very well mean there are 2 medics or w/e. This goes for veteran as well.

But if there is a medic among us then the following people should be protected:
- Mr. Wiggles:
I think Mr. Wiggles should be first because he was spot on with Jackal with his first analysis and he is very usefull for Town.
- DrH:
He's been being very objective and not discounting anything. Furthermore anything what Jackal said was mostly contradicted by DrH like how to analyse etc. So this gives me an even more impressions that he's surely pro-town.

But in any case I have another thing while I was reading the past pages of this thread.
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2011 14:54 chaoser wrote:
On January 29 2011 13:57 Jackal58 wrote:
Jonathan Swift? Gulliver's Travels? 18th century British Naval references?
Anybody up on their Lilliputians?

I'm going to bed. My head hurts.


I was thinking exactly that. Jonathan Swift was always looking to make it big in society. He tried unsuccessfully to political position so maybe that's why the pirates took governor hostage. It wasn't money they were looking for, which Holmes alluded to, it was power.

Also, the pen and crossing out might be referring to the fact that he revised Gulliver's travels many times. In Gulliver's travels, he, for a while, worked with pirates to travel to different lands.

All of this though, is only loosely tied to what's written. I still don't know why the pen "being positioned wrong" and the "it's empty" means. What is empty? The place? Is the fact that it's devoid of life the clue?

Chaoser quotes Jackal and both of them were thinking about the 18th century Naval references.
I would expect chaoser to be a bit experienced in mafia yet he thinks about the 18th century references which should not be an indication for mafia people because if you combine that with LSB's day 1 post it would indicate that he is probably mafia.
Show nested quote +

Please note, the setting of this story, Britain in the 18th century, does not have anything to do with the mafia. Also because I didn’t want to research stuff that wasn’t going to be relevant, I’ll be using modern terminology

Furthermore he randomly votes for Node out of the blue. Of course this can be interpreted as a way to pressure someone to actually post more and I asked why he would do such a thing? Chaoser then went inactive for some reason or just doesn't want to respond to my questions.

DrH then gave me a logical reason but from his view and not from chaoser's.
DrH then tells me that posting behavior means clues and he also says that chaoser is smart enough to know that. So why would chaoser do something like that? Beginners mistake?

So this gives me an even more of an impression that chaoser is most likely mafia and to watch out for.


i would elaborate on this but i don't like talking during night phase

honestly town shouldn't talk at all. it does more harm than good.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 01 2011 02:23 GMT
#171
It may well be Chaoser.

Holden Caulfield hates others. That could explain the first picture (drop the bomb).

A quote from wikipedia about a story involving Caulfield: "Once home, he is not shown confronting his parents, who, according to the maid, are playing bridge."

That connects to the fourth picture. If anyone has anything on the other 3 then speak up. Raiden/Kenpachi/Gaara could all be said to use "magic" for the fourth one. The third could be reference to a particularly cold setting or animal tracks (pointing to Pandain).

One of the pictures is a red herring. I am inclined to believe it is the third or the last.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 01 2011 02:28 GMT
#173
On February 01 2011 11:26 Kenpachi wrote:
Well did anyone notice "Beethoven" in the openning picture? maybe thats the music sheet o_O

If you can make it relevant to another players character then do so otherwise it's not worth talking about.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 01 2011 02:33 GMT
#175
On February 01 2011 11:32 Kenpachi wrote:
It looks like a movement in Beethoven's conerto No 5. The Main theme in Movement 1 is similar to the first line of the sheet

useless information
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 01 2011 18:28 GMT
#208
On February 02 2011 02:42 CubEdIn wrote:
P.S.:
Q from Star Treck also fits all your findings:
#1. He could end all life, give life, etc. => He could easily cause apocalypse
#2. Legos! He was playing with Picard, changing the flow of time, etc.
#3. Magic... well... supernatural abilities, like you said.

Is anyone seriously buying this? Dr.H is clearly tied due to Music + Apocalypse now. There's no way that both of them are wrong.
Show me a better connection than Apocalypse Now / Radiohead video. How the hell does "Apocalypse sounds like Armageddon which is part of the tile of a MK movie" fit better than googling: Apocalypse Now Radiohead -> BAM.

radiohead never made a video about apocalypse now

there is a fan video of apocalypse now set to motion picture soundtrack which never had a music video. i realize the music thing fits but like I said, if you were to delve far enough into radiohead fandom (lyrics) you could make me fit anything. many of the hail to the thief lyrics reference war and bombs (sit down. stand up.)

but to go as far as to try to connect me from a fan music video for a song LSB may have never even heard is pretty ridiculous. the way how you talk about it like it is so obvious makes me almost sure you're mafia but i want to read some of the other posts in this thread before I say that.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 01 2011 18:29 GMT
#209
On February 02 2011 02:37 CubEdIn wrote:
...umm... so Lego + Drop the bomb sound like they are connected to MK, but Music (thom yorke) + Video of Apocalypse now with Raidohead soundtrack as one of the first results in google for apocaylpse now + House of Cards are not good references.

Not scummy at all there buddy.


lol you're right it isn't. scummy refers to post behavior.
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