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if we cannot fulfill a contract, do we instantly die? | ||
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will read game and PMs now | ||
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On January 07 2011 11:13 LSB wrote: Game to start in <48 Hours btw here is my "damn good reasoning" the game hasnt even technically begun yet | ||
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right now we have a claim from lunar that he can day kill every day in addition to any lynching. be careful with this claim, as i assume (based on the language of my item(s)) that an ability like that costs significant money to use. it may, for example, cost 600k to use in which case he needs 200k from someone to shoot again, etc. it is unlikely to be just +1 day KP without drawback or restriction. in a game where money is such a factor, i assume probably every item has some monetary relevance to it. keep this in mind when contracting. LSB: do we have the ability to vote no lynch? | ||
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if he does, we need a DT to come out. | ||
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i can now vouch for lunardestiny. he is what he says he is. i now seek a DT. if you are DT, claim to me. | ||
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op says, "? of ? players remaining 2 of 2 Mafia members remaining. Current Mafia KP = 1" do you not reveal deaths? | ||
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if you are dissatisfied with my plan (once you prove DTness), lynch me. | ||
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##vote: no lynch | ||
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my protection is time limited. it was not on LD yet (and LD was told this) because i was going to wait to put it on him until it would affect night cycle, which is what he wanted protection from specifically. yes, he gave me 1 mill in trust to split up with the town if he died. | ||
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perhaps ROL has a redirection ability. this way LD would have to use his kill before gaining "protection" and once he did, he would just be redirected to death anyway. when i was fishing and asked what type of role ROL had, he said "protection... or a form of it." if his item was the vest as he proclaimed, he shouldnt have said "... or a form of it." since "protection" would have been perfectly sufficient. but what is redirection? yeah, a sort of form of protection, yeah. i am essentially permanently protected. if you want to use your kills on me, go ahead. is there really going to be a red role that essentially reads "you cannot die?" once you try to kill me (repeatedly if you must) and see that i do not die, maybe then my blueness will be evident. in fact, i am currently unlynchable as well. or you could go the faster and easier route and just hit ROL for 1. knowing my plan and 2. destroying it, then taking what he knew to scapegoat. ##vote: ROL | ||
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i think you have a redirection ability (actually, your 2nd mafia probably has it). you knew he would never get the vest since he would only get it once he shot, and when he shot, it would be too late. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Session Start: Sat Jan 08 23:13:39 2011 Session Ident: #brimstone 03[23:13:39] * Now talking in #brimstone 03[23:13:40] * Retrieving #brimstone modes... 03[23:13:43] * Annul sets mode: +s 03[23:16:37] * LunarDestiny (webchat@college9-22-68.resnet.ucsc.edu) has joined #brimstone [23:18:41] <LunarDestiny> test test 00[23:19:32] <@Annul> hi 00[23:19:32] <@Annul> ok 00[23:19:35] <@Annul> it works [23:19:56] <LunarDestiny> yes 00[23:20:03] <@Annul> ok so basically 00[23:20:22] <@Annul> if the plan works as i see it 00[23:20:25] <@Annul> you will never die. [23:20:43] <LunarDestiny> that is vague. 00[23:20:49] <@Annul> what is vague about it [23:21:04] <LunarDestiny> let me ask something simple: Night 1, mafia use KP on me. Will I die? 00[23:21:14] <@Annul> if i intervene 00[23:21:14] <@Annul> no 00[23:22:08] <@Annul> that help? [23:22:15] <LunarDestiny> Do I know if I get hit? 00[23:22:19] <@Annul> i would imagine [23:23:16] <LunarDestiny> But if the protection is one of your ability, I won't be notify of the hit. 00[23:23:33] <@Annul> based on what my abilit(ies) (is/are) [23:23:41] <LunarDestiny> I need to make sure that you are not mafia and just choosing not to hit me 00[23:23:42] <@Annul> i would think you would know. 00[23:23:54] <@Annul> you will get the name of my ability under the contract 00[23:24:03] <@Annul> it should be obvious 00[23:24:35] <@Annul> basically i am more powerful than you, but i see an immediate victory if you are what you say you are AND if a DT comes out 00[23:24:46] <@Annul> so i figure lets go for it 00[23:25:00] <@Annul> once i see what your thing actually is, the full text, so i know theres no trickery 00[23:25:08] <@Annul> ill tell you all i know. 00[23:25:30] <@Annul> of course, i cant put that in the contract because if i am unsatisfied with your ability, or there is something there that the full text reveals that makes me question things, i wont 00[23:25:35] <@Annul> but really, you will know my ability name 00[23:25:41] <@Annul> it will be clear what i can do, in general 00[23:26:01] <@Annul> if im happy with you, ill just tell you what i do in full because id believe your blueness 00[23:26:17] <@Annul> thats why i wrote the K like that 00[23:26:29] <@Annul> you told me you would give me the 1 mil if i can give you 2+ lives 00[23:26:33] <@Annul> i am telling you i can give you 2+ lives. 00[23:26:57] <@Annul> thoughts? [23:28:57] <LunarDestiny> if you are that sure that this plan will work, I will believe you since I just don't want to die by mafia night kill on night 1. [23:29:43] <LunarDestiny> Please send me another propose contract. I'll answer monkey's post while you do it. 00[23:30:33] <@Annul> what do you dislike about my first proposed? 00[23:30:49] <@Annul> other than the "dont give me all the money" part, and the DT part i guess 00[23:31:10] <@Annul> i dont like removing the DT part to prove towniness, because i know i cant day kill to prove town 00[23:31:21] <@Annul> so i will never get access to it 00[23:31:57] <@Annul> i wrote the DT claim in there to trap you, basically. if you want to "confirm" town by the other red (if you are red) claiming DT, then we have both of you out in the open lying 00[23:32:05] <@Annul> if one thread comes loose, pull and GG 00[23:32:16] <@Annul> thats why thats in there 00[23:38:44] <@Annul> ? [23:38:57] <LunarDestiny> how about this: I striaght out give you the 1mil [23:39:10] <LunarDestiny> if I die that 1 mil will be given to town 00[23:39:49] <@Annul> put the 1 mill in an escrow account that only i can use 00[23:40:02] <@Annul> if you die, the escrow account is liquidated evenly to the remaining players 00[23:40:27] <@Annul> is that good? [23:45:13] <LunarDestiny> ok. But I will say to town that if I die, you will be lynched. So if you are protown, you must be sure that you must promise me that "2+lives [23:45:31] <LunarDestiny> are you really sure that I won't die? 00[23:45:32] <@Annul> yes, you have that. 00[23:45:53] <@Annul> i am sure you will not die. 00[23:46:21] <@Annul> new K text sent for your approval 00[23:50:01] <@Annul> y/n [23:51:14] <LunarDestiny> y 00[23:51:54] <@Annul> k 00[23:51:56] <@Annul> will submit to LSB 00[23:52:23] <@Annul> done 00[23:52:39] <@Annul> you need to submit it as well, of course Session Time: Sun Jan 09 00:00:00 2011 00[00:00:10] <@Annul> let me know what happens 00[00:02:54] <@Annul> LSB approved it 00[00:03:01] <@Annul> but he didnt tell me your info 00[00:03:07] <@Annul> i think he expects you to do it yourself 00[00:03:10] <@Annul> asking him [00:07:37] <LunarDestiny> just pmed him, waiting for reply 00[00:08:18] <@Annul> as did i 00[00:13:31] <@Annul> he says i need to get it from you [00:14:47] <LunarDestiny> Change the contract to something like me quoting my unmodify mod pm 00[00:15:18] <@Annul> k, send to LSB the following: [00:15:21] <LunarDestiny> you quoting the first part of your pm saying your ability name 00[00:15:40] <@Annul> ill PM you 00[00:15:42] <@Annul> sec [00:16:00] <LunarDestiny> Or else the person violate the rule get modkilled instantly. [00:16:11] <LunarDestiny> If person is mafia, mafia lose instantly 00[00:17:26] <@Annul> LSB is saying to me 00[00:17:36] <@Annul> he cant confirm your role PM to me even if i send him what you send me 00[00:17:37] <@Annul> ;\ 00[00:17:57] <@Annul> he says 00[00:18:08] <@Annul> quote me your full ability, and then if i find something in it that is a breach, i can use that 00[00:18:17] <@Annul> but i cant just send him the thing immediately for verification 00[00:18:29] <@Annul> so the K as written is the best we can do 00[00:18:41] <@Annul> PM me your full text, i guess. ;\ [00:19:27] <LunarDestiny> But how would I convince you my ability even if I do quote it in its entirety 00[00:19:56] <@Annul> you dont need to do that 00[00:20:01] <@Annul> the K just says to quote the full text 00[00:20:25] <@Annul> you dont need to do anything beyond that 00[00:20:39] <@Annul> soon as you do, and i read it, ill start doing what i gotta do to save you [00:22:09] <LunarDestiny> i'll bet on the fact that LSB is not screwing with town. [00:22:22] <LunarDestiny> If town lose because of this... 00[00:22:46] <@Annul> as long as you are town 00[00:22:48] <@Annul> we will win [00:23:36] <LunarDestiny> I was going to ask you this after the contract. [00:24:04] <LunarDestiny> Are you protected as well? You don't have to answer me this if you don't want to [00:24:25] <LunarDestiny> Should I encourage mafia to hit you or not 00[00:24:31] <@Annul> hm [00:24:37] <LunarDestiny> think before answering 00[00:25:01] <@Annul> let me see your full text first and let me fulfill my part of the K [00:25:02] <LunarDestiny> or don't answer me now 00[00:25:05] <@Annul> and then we can discuss that 00[00:26:42] <@Annul> ok 00[00:27:22] <@Annul> ok 00[00:28:48] <@Annul> i just PMed you 00[00:28:53] <@Annul> the name of my ability is (edited out) 00[00:30:02] <@Annul> alright 00[00:30:04] <@Annul> i have an idea 00[00:31:51] <@Annul> we K to put your tommy gun into a trust that you and i have access to and that requires you and i to both agree to use it. the trust automatically fails 5 minutes after creation, with the residue going entirely to you. 00[00:32:09] <@Annul> i can K the same thing with my defense contact 00[00:32:19] <@Annul> this way we both prove they exist. 00[00:32:35] <@Annul> (and i cant use your gun, etc; you cant use my contact either) 00[00:32:39] <@Annul> just to prove existence [00:36:20] <LunarDestiny> pm me the contract 00[00:39:19] <@Annul> sent 00[00:41:03] <@Annul> y/n [00:41:44] <LunarDestiny> y 00[00:42:27] <@Annul> k, sending to LSB 00[00:57:25] <@Annul> ok 00[00:57:28] <@Annul> i believe you. 00[00:57:39] <@Annul> what i can do is the following: (obviously going to cut the logs off here) then, later, 03[03:40:02] * LunarDestiny (webchat@college9-22-68.resnet.ucsc.edu) has joined #brimstone [03:40:09] <LunarDestiny> test 00[03:42:21] <@Annul> hi 00[03:42:28] <@Annul> ROL says he sent you an item 00[03:42:30] <@Annul> confirm? [03:42:54] <LunarDestiny> we made a contract but it is not confirmed 00[03:43:25] <@Annul> do you believe him 00[03:43:29] <@Annul> he claims to have sent me 1 mill [03:44:00] <LunarDestiny> hmm... 00[03:45:18] <@Annul> of course we wont know for sure 00[03:45:21] <@Annul> until LSB wakes up [03:45:25] <LunarDestiny> it's not that i don't believe him, but it is really stupid for mafia to give up everything [03:46:16] <LunarDestiny> i'll put him after (edited out) on my not to shoot list so LD, who flipped town, SAW my entire ability, knew what i could do, and believed in my towniness. maybe that helps a bit. | ||
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