TL Mafia XXXV

On December 28 2010 07:13 Insanious wrote:
I just want to throw this out there... but in Pokemafia we hit the active members of the game because well, they gave us something to talk about. We then badwaggoned on those people without thinking that no one was defending them. This turned into a game where all our active players were dead (town lynched them, and mafia killed them). At the end of the game we had few players that talked and mostly inactives.

This made it impossible to find the mafia. What I'm just trying to say is that the town helped kill the town by removing anyone who actually helped out and talked.

Inactives do absolutely nothing but hurt us, so I think we need to pressure inactives more than point fingers at active players.

On day 1, we have very little to work with, all we can do is pick someone to lynch and pray. We might as well kill someone who could be a lurking mafia or someone who will help kill us later in the game.

An active mafia is too smart to screw up on day 1 and die, as well an active mafia gives town a lot more material to work with once someone catches them with their pants down.

An inactive mafia looks like an inactive town.

To me, I would rather kill inactives (not don't post and don't vote, as in only vote and barely post) than kill someone who's actually talking.

In pokemafia we killed Kenpachi and Zeks since they were talkative and didn't speak like a perfect townie. On later analysis we saw that they didn't actually look like mafia, they just spamed a lot and we wanted that gone.

If we would of lynched inactives, we would of been able to find 4 of the 6 mafia, and would of saved 3 - 4 town. We would of won the game, but we focused on killing people that speak.

I mean, we can get rid of someone who isn't helping now, and then have our DTs check people while we do forum analysis. This helps us more later in the game, then a random lynch of an active townie helps us now.

Just my $0.02

On December 28 2010 15:39 LSB wrote:
I'm confused. Can someone point out my scummy posts?

I want to see if you all actually read what I wrote or just mouthing information from Annul.

As for the OpZ inactive lynch, he has posted a bit now. But he hasn't really said anything besides what other people had posted.

On December 29 2010 05:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:


This is one of the posts I found really interesting. The pandain wagon did make no sense and Seraph says what I think he is trying to do. We can just label it wifom. At the same time he discredits Annul saying his argument is forced

Then explains what forced means! But seriously, how is Annul's analysis forced? I read it, it felt pretty natural to me. Annul remains dedicated and keeps going for his lynch of LSB and LSB OMGUS him back which is a really shitty way to play and incredibly anti town. The thing is I also believe that could just be a blue tell from LSB believing his role to be important for town victory.

On December 28 2010 05:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I got my defense wrong! I have a strange idea. I think both annul and LSB might be mafia, this little tiff is exactly what annul/KJ did in ExMiMa although this is a little different. I know LSB is a better player than to attack his attacker AS mafia, its kind of an odd tell. My first thought was that he is probably town and just thought the analysis was scummy. But the analysis seems fine to me. The arguments almost feel a little forced too if you read through it. This is definitely something to keep in mind.

On December 29 2010 05:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:


This is one of the posts I found really interesting. The pandain wagon did make no sense and Seraph says what I think he is trying to do. We can just label it wifom. At the same time he discredits Annul saying his argument is forced

Then explains what forced means! But seriously, how is Annul's analysis forced? I read it, it felt pretty natural to me. Annul remains dedicated and keeps going for his lynch of LSB and LSB OMGUS him back which is a really shitty way to play and incredibly anti town. The thing is I also believe that could just be a blue tell from LSB believing his role to be important for town victory.

On December 28 2010 05:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I got my defense wrong! I have a strange idea. I think both annul and LSB might be mafia, this little tiff is exactly what annul/KJ did in ExMiMa although this is a little different. I know LSB is a better player than to attack his attacker AS mafia, its kind of an odd tell. My first thought was that he is probably town and just thought the analysis was scummy. But the analysis seems fine to me. The arguments almost feel a little forced too if you read through it. This is definitely something to keep in mind.

On December 29 2010 12:36 seRapH wrote:
Just finished catching up -_-'' didn't expect to be out all day.

I still don't see why LSB was scummy at all. I mean look at annul's "analysis":
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7419308

1. Takes a bunch of meaningless jokes & spam and looks at them with serious face :|
   
2. Basically tells us that talking about lynching inactives is anti-town. What?! So you'd rather have us ignore the inactivity problem altogether and lynch someone who's actually fighting it?
   
3. So apparantly providing pure information is now scummy. How is this ANY worse than the numerous lurkers lying around? And at least his "information" is helping the newbies!
   

Seriously the whole inactive thing was just a talking point, and now I'm just thoroughly convinced that you're almost certainly a very closed-minded townie or scum. Hopefully the blue actions will yield something good so we won't have to waste a lynch on you though.

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On December 30 2010 08:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:

Did you see RoL's post calling you scum? I would guess with all the talk about it, you would have checked it....

On December 30 2010 12:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
alright everyone vote insanious or my previously outlined reasons.

On December 30 2010 18:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright. So I am tired of this town being wishwashy so much. Tomorrow before I go to work I am going to decide on a lynch target. We are going to kill them, if I am wrong you guys can kill me if you so wish it. The thing is I will chose my target, I will push them relentlessly, and I will be right. I will most likely choose one of the three mentioned before, but it is going to be large analysis followed by a relentless attack until I get my way. I see three candidates going out right now with some shitty stupid reasoning. I will examine every person being suggested right now and decide which one is best. I welcome all who oppose me.

On December 30 2010 14:54 Insanious wrote:
Meapak_Ziphh you, just like RoL make a huge mistake. I was not 100% sure LSB was blue. I was 100% sure he was either blue or red...

Either he proves he's blue. He lives. He doesn't, he dies.

This could of happened on night 3, wouldn't of hurt the town at all. It could of only helped by saving a blue for more nights, or saved a blue for the rest of the game.

Litterally no down side for the town... so we should of waited. I would of killed him instantly on day 3 if I wasn't 100% sure he was blue.

Waiting helped the town, killing him gave us nothing.

This is what I was saying... there was no point where I KNEW he was blue. And there was no point that I said I was 100% sure he was blue until after he died... Read my posts, and don't put words in my mouth.

On December 31 2010 06:00 Insanious wrote:
Double lynch after day 1 seems a little soon... I mean, we might as well wait till day 2 to see if we can actually get some analysis done. We don't even have a single target for lynching right now, let alone two for a double lynch.

Maybe after we finally get some discussion going we can actually have some candidates for double lynching.

On December 31 2010 04:20 GGQ wrote:
I feel that I should reveal this information since mafia already knows it; I was roleblocked last night.

I just read through the entire thread again and here are my thoughts:

-Pandain doesn't seem like scum to me, just a flip-flopping townie.

-Brockett narrowly avoided a lynch and still hasn't contributed anything. Much fewer posts and different posting style than his townie play in Pokemafia

-I'm still suspicious of TheMango but don't have solid reasoning for it

-I am pretty confident that ROL is town, but I dont necessarily agree with all his picks for mafia

-Insanious doesn't seem scummy to me. People keep saying that he was 'so sure' LSB was blue, but if you actually read his posts, that's not what he was saying

-I'm on the fence about annul. I always thought his tunneling on LSB was stupid, but that doesn't make him mafia. He certainly could be, though

-I'm most suspicious atm of Seraph (as ROL pointed out) and Mr Wiggles. While reading, I noticed that all of Mr Wiggles posts are riddled with uncertainty, fear, and unwillingness to commit. He may be a newer player, but it still makes me very susicious of him. My vote goes on him for now

On December 31 2010 05:03 Barundar wrote:
Mr.zergling would you mind posting your reason for voting mr.wiggles? And why you pick hin over the other suggested targets?

On December 31 2010 04:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I just finished reading all of Annul's posts and I feel a little ashamed of myself.

On December 31 2010 07:38 Barundar wrote:
I find it interesting you appear when called out OpZ. I'm unsure whether you trust RoL or not, most of your posts in the thread has been about something he said. What do you think speaks for lynching Insanious?

On January 02 2011 02:55 Barundar wrote:
IRC was a great idea, I encourage town to take part in the discussions.

I’m now convinced Pandain is town.

We decided to hold off on Mr.Zergling, at least for tonight, and instead push for Orgolove. His only contribution to the thread is his vote for double lynch.

Annul is a top suspect. He hasn’t added anything apart from getting LSB lynched, and has now gone into lurking.

That said, we should ##vote double lynch for tomorrow. With the knowledge we get from the lynch and the night hits, we should be able to get 2 kills by then. Also it’s an insurance if Orgolove turns out not to be red, since we will need the extra KP.

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