EPTTL Mafia XXXIV: Pokemafia
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DarthThienAn
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DarthThienAn
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Hey guys... srysry been busy and didn't want to start reading until I could do it all at once (the weekend). Some random thoughts- Gabriel: tbh, I don't think he's mafia. He's being a semi-terrible townie by stirring up controversy for no reason, but at least it's generating some posting and such. Aside from that... I'm not sure I can imagine a mafia player being so outrageously bad day 1. And in this game, we're scumhunting, not policy lynching, even if it means leaving a troublemaker alive. Hesmyrr: gotta agree with d3 and Inf here, feels like he's just been throwing "im watching" posts here and there. His first post made me think he was gonna story-troll this game, but apparently not =[. The one thing saving him is that this is just his style of play, mafia or not, so it's not really an indication as to whether or not he's mafia (iirc). Kenpachi: Someone brought up a good point, Kenpachi might not be posting all that much content, but that's how he played when he was a medic in Salem as well. LSB: Someone to keep an eye - his early play reminds me of mine when I was mafia mayor that one time. But I don't want to condemn him right off the bat when there are so many other good targets (zeks/Kenpachi) --- @Gabriel: Really good analysis on zeks. Don't know how some kids are saying it's bad. Might vote him if I don't read anything to make me think otherwise/I don't vote for Kenpachi. Question though. Why do you refer to yourself in the third person so often? On December 12 2010 01:31 zeks wrote: And I supposedly placed the first "bandwagon" vote on infun which resulted to attention to myself. Voting zeks for now. Basically, right now we should be deciding between zeks and Kenpachi. I'm more tempted to think that Kenpachi is just bad, versus zeks, who I know is decent but is posting suspiciously. Most notably, his "overcompensating," as Gabriel pointed out. | ||
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DarthThienAn
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1) We all knew Kenpachi was most likely town, just posting scummy because that's how he usually is. 2) zeks was definitely a better option. Still think he has a good chance of being mafia. 3) We lynch Kenpachi? ...Consider me confused. People to look at imo: zeks Eiii Brocket LSB DCLXVI Insanious tree.hugger | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On December 13 2010 04:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I bet 100 esports dollars that in Kenpachi's first game as mafia no one will lynch him. I see your 100 and raise you one kajillion esports dollars. + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2010 03:21 tree.hugger wrote: It's much easier to say "I knew he was town" after he... er... flips town. Thankfully, Darth is at least showing how it's partly done, by actually providing a list of other people whom he finds suspicious. This is good, however I'm confused about how you got from this: To your list. Zeks obviously never switched his vote from StormTemplar to save himself, but he is at the top of your list for reasons already outlined. But the rest of your suspicions come from the Kenpachi vote list, and I'm wondering why deconduo, jcarlsoniv,Kavdragon, ShoCkeyy, seRapH, and Amber[LighT] were left out. Or perhaps you need to explain your methodology for including the names you did. Once again, if you have suspicions, you must articulate them. Names aren't helpful, reasoning is. My problem is that I thought it was pretty obvious that Kenpachi was town BEFORE he flipped. Like I said, he posts like crap or "scummy" but "scummy" posting =/= scum. More often, it's townies who have contradictory posts and poor logic and all those other things (to an extent). It's better to look for people who say stuff like "This thread needs more analysis" and then they don't offer any of their own, or people who drop in and say "this person looks kinda scummy, this person looks kinda scummy" and then they disappear after that. For example, I voted for zeks day 1 because his posts are. for the most part, neutral/non-committal. The "kinda sorta maybe" posting is the kind that I'd consider scummy. Also people who say one thing in the thread, but then "change their minds" at the end of the day and vote for someone without a solid reason. The ordering of my list wasn't by rank or anything, just as the names came to my head. zeks I explained. Eiii On December 10 2010 13:11 Eiii wrote: Look at ken's history (from salem, at least)-- he spammed and was generally unhelpful even though he was medic. tbh between your constant accusations and random voting, you're being more distracting than he is. Okay, so he knows that Kenpachi is a bad poster when he's medic. Comments about Gabriel. (Note that bad poster =/= mafia. I hope we've all learned our lesson from lynching Kenpachi?) On December 10 2010 16:02 Eiii wrote: Trying really really hard to paint ken as scum. And he doesn't even have any decent basis for it! One quote is a throwaway reaction to the day 1 post, one quote is asking about rules of the game, and the rest are useless but harmless posts. Like I said before, if he had taken even a second to look at ken's play in salem he would have seen that ken spammed like crazy even though he was medic. He might be active but he's certainly not helpful, and I think he knows it. Personally, I *do* think good analysis can be done day one. My vote's with gabe for now. Again, Kenpachi is town. On December 11 2010 16:58 Eiii wrote: ...gabes posts are so blatantly bad I'm actually starting to have a hard time believing they could possibly be authored by scum. o_O totally yo. He's clearly not mafia then. On December 12 2010 11:19 Eiii wrote: Alright, so as much as I don't like his posts gabriel seems to pretty clearly be a townie at this point. Looks like actual discussion makes him put out decent content instead of just blindly lashing out, so hopefully that keeps up :D I'm switching my vote to ken. He's already been analyzed to death, but what I really don't like is this: Zero response to DC's attacks, just semi-claims to be blue to avoid a lynch. Obviously he takes it back a post later, but I just can't get over how disruptive a move this is. Complete turnaround... starts the game off saying how he thinks Kenpachi is a bad poster. Then he changes his mind because Kenpachi continues posting poorly? Not to mention he's the last vote. Brocket playing the newbie card quite a bit, which I don't like. But On December 10 2010 23:35 Brocket wrote: Good points raised by amber. I think it can go either way as well. If Gabe gave solid arguments that were easy to follow then I would honestly have not voted for him. It's like a vote for reason. As it stands I won't be changing my vote for this day phase but I admit it was too hasty. I think it should be emphasised that any one of us voting for gabe could be mafia too (or people voting off infund for that matter) and with 31 players it won't be that hard to get gabe out of the hot water if we want to keep him. On December 11 2010 22:51 Brocket wrote: ##unvote gabriel ##vote kenpachi herpdederp.. On December 11 2010 14:19 Brocket wrote: I think whatever Gabe did so far pales in comparison to the outbursts we're getting recently. I'm reconsidering my vote. This is the kind of useless post that you should look out for. What does it say? What does it do for the town? Absolutely nothing, except give Brocket an easy way out. Can easily be interpreted as a "I might need to switch my vote later on to save my scumbuddy." On December 11 2010 14:58 Brocket wrote: If you want to pick mafia. I can guarantee you one of us picking gabe is a mafia. Just for future reference in case I somehow die overnight somehow. I'm not paranoid or nothing. What does this post even mean? How do you know someone picking him is mafia? Other than the fact that you're mafia and you noticed that one of you is voting for Gabriel? On December 11 2010 16:46 Brocket wrote: I'm taking what gabe said with a grain of salt. But I should do the same for everybody else. Sounds pretty rough but if gabe turns out to be a villager then people have a lot of explaining to do. Yet another wishy-washy, non-committal post. Especially the bolded part. On December 11 2010 22:48 Brocket wrote: If you guys are gunning for kenpachi, then what about jcarlsoniv? It seems like they're a couple. Also the arguments for kenpachi/zeks are compelling. I think gabe is pretty glad that others are voting for these two so I have to ignore what gabe says honestly, for now. I'm also more curious about whether kenpachi is a mafia than gabriel is. Because kenpachi seems to be more likely mafia than gabriel at this point (im putting gabe down as a quasi helpful townie for now) I will change my vote to kenpachi. Please excuse my laziness to format the capitals/potential grammar mistakes. I came back from a party just now but my will to change vote is strong. Cool, so you've told us that Kenpachi more likely mafia than Gabriel. What about zeks? You read the analysis. You "took it with a grain of salt." On December 12 2010 14:22 Brocket wrote: = /. Massive sigh. So kenpachi was voted out because: He was a pikachu who acted like mafia. Why would you even do that? Gah. The mafia know who's on their team right? You're the reason why we can't have nice things Kenpachi. He was a pikachu who made out to be mafia by mafia who knew he's always acted suss consistently in every game. I am so disappoint. "Massive sigh." Good acting  How do you know it was the mafia that framed Kenpachi? Why are you disappoint? A townie died. On December 12 2010 18:19 Brocket wrote: I regret changing my vote to kenpachi. As a direct result we have to keep gabe for another night/day's worth of discussion. God help us all. Mafia please kill him or me. Kthx. tbh, I don't see what all the rage is about Gabriel's posting. It's somewhat hard to understand sometimes but it's not as terrible/lacking as some others in the thread, and he's made several good points during the first day. On December 13 2010 01:10 Brocket wrote: Zeks and kenpachi, but kenpachi and jcarl seemed to back eachother up and focus attention on gabriel. In fact I thought if kenpachi turned out to be mafia, then jcarl would also be mafia so it was a sort of 2 for 1. People did put good arguments for zeks but because I didn't notice him much I didn't think about him, which I suppose makes the arguments against him stronger. Feel free to look at what I've said. I've mostly just been looking at what people have been saying and then briefly looked at 'analyses' of what people said if you want to save yourself some time. Start contributing your own thoughts to the thread. kthxbye. -- I don't feel like explaining anymore~ the names on the list are just people who I've noticed after day 1. Let's watch who the mafia hit because it's always in their best interest to snipe people who are hot on their tails. Also in their best interest to kill off the active members, more so than blues I'd say. For example, I'd rather target a townie Qatol than a blue nobody, just because I think Qatol is more of a threat. Again, these are just suspicious people. Looking back at that voting list, I think I'd throw deconduo onto my list as well. Haven't looked at his posts thoroughly, but I feel like he just came in, voted, and left. | ||
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DarthThienAn
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@tree.hugger, that's not a good reason to lynch someone. Did you really think he was mafia? or did you just want to "rid the town of a bad poster." Cuz the latter is not a good strategy. In fact, it's something that mafia would do because they know they can get away with it (see TMMM2 or something when we lynched BM/Chezinu combo) @Eiii, I realize that you changed your mind because of his soft-claim blue. I already explained what my problem with that is. You know he's a bad townie. You know he'll say dumb stuff. Yet you lynch him anyway, when zeks was a more likely scum. Why? Because you don't agree with his playstyle? If we go through the game lynching people whose playstyles we disagree with, we're never going to win. | ||
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DarthThienAn
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On December 13 2010 07:55 Infundibulum wrote: I actually think Brocket might be a smurf and he's playing the newbie card to cover that up. Some of the questions are downright silly ("the mafia know who's on their team, right?") I had those same thoughts tbh. | ||
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DarthThienAn
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On December 13 2010 08:35 Brocket wrote: DarthThienAn On December 10 2010 23:35 Brocket wrote: Good points raised by amber. I think it can go either way as well. If Gabe gave solid arguments that were easy to follow then I would honestly have not voted for him. It's like a vote for reason. As it stands I won't be changing my vote for this day phase but I admit it was too hasty. I think it should be emphasised that any one of us voting for gabe could be mafia too (or people voting off infund for that matter) and with 31 players it won't be that hard to get gabe out of the hot water if we want to keep him. On December 11 2010 22:51 Brocket wrote: ##unvote gabriel ##vote kenpachi herpdederp.. If you look, you'll notice the 1st post was made on the 10th, the second post on the 11th. I said "as it stands". There has been a lot of discussion between both days and it changed my opinion. Get with the program dude. And I said Gabriel's outbursts in the first few hours wasn't as bad as some of the others I've read since. I don't know what you're seeing but if you read your post again and exclude your obnoxious comments it follows a logical order. Also you omitted some other posts in between too  to help take them out of context .I know that it was a day later. My point was that in that first post you basically said "I'm not changing my vote." And then later on, you changed it. The whole "As it stands" thing is bullcrap, you're basically saying "I'm not changing my vote, unless I decide to change my vote later" then. Thanks for the input. I'm pretty sure you do this same thing in other posts, which is why I probably left them out. Please, please analyse what I say more. It's very entertaining since I haven't received so much attention before. So thanks for that, although your comments are rubbish. And if you don't like my "newbie card" deal with it. I'm sub 100 posts but I can tell when people are being condescending because of their enormous e-peen. Yes, my enormous e-peen is what's making me point out your suspiciousness. Dodge more plz. | ||
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DarthThienAn
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We know that there are 6 scum and 1 Serial Killer (Mewtwo). Usually #red = #blue, but since they have an SK and a RB, I'd add 1-2 to that limit. So 7-8 blues I think. # of Raichu/Millers is usually the same as the # of DTs. With 3+1 KP, we probably have 2-3 medics, most likely 2. But #Medic always < KP. With a Mew in play, I wouldn't be surprised if we only had 1 DT, but I feel like 2 is pretty standard. 1-3 DTs (Alakazams) depending on how they considered Mew. 1-2 Veterans. If we have 3 medics, it's definitely 1. If we have 2 medics, 2 vets is a possibility. 1-2 Mad Hatter. We have 2 double lynches, which is basically a mad hatter given to the town for late game and such. So probably only 1 Mad Hatter. So my guess is: 2 Miller 2 Medics 2 DT (+1 FBI) 1 Veteran 1 Mad Hatter And either 1 more Medic, or 1 more Vet. I'm going to say Medic, since there's technically 4KP. Makes 7 (+1) blues. They probably have 1 GF, 1 roleblocker, others are normal mafia. That's pretty typical. | ||
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What happened Eiii? Did we dismiss the whole voting thing? People I feel like I haven't heard from recently: dinmsab DCLXVI Oceanic Insanious hmmm... that's it off the top of my head just looking at the player list. Do we have any better lynches than zeks/Gabriel? The number of votes going on zeks scares me actually. lol xD | ||
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