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 Darn.WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. | ||
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Barundar RoL Jcarlsoniv annul Pandain (wut?) Well, might as well be bold. ##Vote RebirthofLegend | ||
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 Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ | ||
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Seems more like we switched alignments. >_> | ||
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On December 01 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote: ##Vote Ghrur Ghrur basically hasn't been contributing at all, yet mantains the illusion of such a thing. Very mafia tell imo. Furthormore tells everyone to contribute and scum hunt yet doesn't do it himself, contradiction. His posts: rules I know, I know. Okay? This I don't like. First of all, note he voted RoL because he hasn't posted. Yet even though he's posted alot now, he hasn't changed. That is VERY suspicious in my eyes. Furthormore, he does what mafia like to do, which is "contributing without really contributing." He tells everyone to say who they think is scum, and doesn't do it himself. Mafia love to do this,have town be the heads of each lynch, while staying in the shadows themselves. Makes it much easier to put blame on someone later. How doesn't it contribute if it helps pressure people and get them to post and vote? Also, is there something inherently scummy about voting for pressure? Again, pushes for decon to help without helping himself. Going further, lays accusations on a player for a very weak reason. Mafia does this ALOT. They try to always make players seem suspicious for any single post. Decon says we should rush to day 2? Ghrur lays suspicion on him. This post does nothing except suggest decon is mafia, without even doing that. Will post my reasons for suspecting Decond later on in this post What? Ghrur explain this. Sure, I'll explain. Here's my thoughts on Decond so far. I was going to post this, but I thought I'd rather have him just post some more, and see if I could get off some more analysis and see what some pressure will do. + Show Spoiler + Alright, RoL posted. ##Unvote RebirthOfLegend Hmm, I don't disagree with Aidnai right now, but I'm looking more at decond due to his one line posts, his useless vote tally of who voted who, and his seemingly *townie* idea of role claiming. Of course, it's day one, so nothings for sure yet, but why do we need a tally of who voted who when 1/2 the game's inactive? The votes aren't even deciding right now. All it does is make him seem useful to town when it really serves no purpose. Then, while it may seem townie to "role claim," it's actually more beneficial to mafia in such a set up. We don't know the roles; they do. We don't know who's blue and who's red; they do. They can easily fake a role like Pandain did in Insane with "Trash Collector" or something and disrupt us. In fact, that's EXACTLY what you would expect mafia to do because we get the least information Day 1 making fake role claims the easiest to get away with. I mean, what else have we gotten aside from Dr. H's "clues?" Nothing. So, I say seemingly townie, actually red for Decond. Other Decond Stuff: Doesn't wanna vote "This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games" " its possible..." Very defensive, scared play. Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya? + Show Spoiler [OTHER MAFIA CANDIDATES] + Aidnai: Post without much information Against "spamming" - trying to limit discussion? Not really discussing, asking others to discuss Against town circle Asking much more questions than in Salem Mafia Pressures people as townie, like Artanis and Radfield, yet backs out of pressuring me really quickly. Not committed Jcarlsoniv: All he does is agree with people on speculative topics Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man. Doesn't even give off any possible information Scum play So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure" Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly | ||
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Well, I guess we have a lynch candidate. ##Vote Aidnai | ||
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##Unvote RebirthofLegend ##Vote Aidnai | ||
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On December 01 2010 10:14 jcarlsoniv wrote: RoL, your points make sense to me, and I would like to find out if these are indeed scum tells. ## Unvote Coag ## Vote Aidnai Really necessary though? To address ghrur: Okay, I'm good with that. On December 01 2010 08:51 deconduo wrote: Oh look, I'm being accused of posting mostly one liners and useless information. Lets have a look at 'useful' posts by ghrur up to this point: + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote: I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted: Barundar RoL Jcarlsoniv annul Pandain (wut?) Well, might as well be bold. ##Vote RebirthofLegend Suggests pressuring people through voting and votes for a lurker, just AFTER I write: On November 30 2010 08:33 deconduo wrote: Pick a lurker, put pressure on and see how they respond? So basically repeated what I had just said, using more words. Suggests a town circle in a game with no PMs. You're right. That was indeed a pretty useless post except that I voted for someone and they did help contribute afterwards. I'm not gonna deny it though, it was a worthless post aside from the vote. I maintain that it's just general day 1 chat though. =/ Takes a dig at me when I posted a jokey post. The end. Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles. Why is it not done by ANYONE except caller in sengoku then? That too is a majority lynch game. Still, I suppose you're right on this one. I've never played a majority vote game like this one before where day ends once we get a majority, so I'll concede the point. However, I wasn't taking a dig at you. I was complimenting you. I'm sorry if it sounded like a dig. Other points: [spoiler] Doesn't wanna vote Voting in a majority lynch game is not to be taken lightly. I could go to bed and wake up with someone dead that I didn't want dead. Why is this specific to majority lynch games? It could happen for all mafia games, especially those with a close vote and time-based days. You voted relatively early on in Salem, and then even experimented with Kenpachi near the end. You could've killed him when you woke up too with the deadline if you weren't watching. Furthermore, why're you afraid to vote on Day 1 when it was early in the game? You said, Pick a lurker, put pressure on and see how they respond? Guess what? YOU NEVER DID THAT. Interesting contradiction huh? Scum much?"This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games" " its possible..." Very defensive, scared play. We have no roles list, theorizing is all we can do. I'm hardly going to say YES THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THAT CLUE THAT POINTS TO THAT ROLE WORKS That doesn't make it any less wishy-washy. Guess what heuristic Ver used in his Mafia XXX write up to help determine mafia? Wishy-washiness. Furthermore, you're exaggerating my argument. I never stated in any way that you had to know what the roles do or anything. I'm just saying you're being way too non-assertive about your theories, like you don't want to put them out there. Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya? Much more useful information than you have posted. Except... it wasn't. It was equally useless in my eyes. The roleclaim thing? You'll see tomorrow if I'm alive. Can't say anything about it obviously. I'll take your word on that. If not though, I hope you understand that it'll be a HUGE FoS on you. In fact, a palm of suspicion.  Basically you are trying to make a case where there is none to be made. FoS ghrur Too bad, I'm just hunting scum. If I need to be aggressive, which I've found out that I do, then I'll do it. Also, I'm not scum. I'm blue. ^_^ No, a case is definitely to be made here. Notice this. Throughout this WHOLE post accusing me, not once has he denied that he is INDEED mafia! Furthermore, he doesn't disagree with the fact that he has posted one liners, he just says I don't contribute. Also, [b]note the interesting contradiction about him and putting pressure on lurkers. Interesting how he doesn't follow his own advice, no? Couple that with this idea: This is the type of gem to look for!! Note the blatant contradiction in logic, the excuse of adhering to some mysterious 'principle' despite saying specifically how good of a candidate YM is. Guess what, that was by Ver. Notice the similarities yet? He says put pressure on a lurker and see how they respond. HE DOESN'T DO IT. Why? Because of the principle "Voting must be taken seriously."... but it's day 1? And he was still active during that time? Finally, notice once more, he says we don't know what roles there are. I agree with that. However, that only supports my point that a "roleclaim" by a mafia member would only be beneficial to them because THEY have the information, THEY can make up any role (like pandain did), and THEY can lead us astray. It only helps them to roleclaim so early when we have little to no information and confuse us. Decond never disagrees with this. Sorry decond, despite your attacks, the contradictions are there. I understand I haven't been helpful yet to you, town, especially not to pandain's standards, but I'm trying here. Just look at these contradictions. Those aren't made up, they're staring you in the face. Suspect Decond. | ||
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Yeah, he used his power. Notice there were only 4 votes for SouthRawrea. | ||
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On December 02 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote: You hinted that your DT role is different. Based on your role PM, do you think that this following scenario could work?
Well, there are a few things that could go wrong with this: Mafia has someone to frame people with. One of them is paranoid, not insane. One of them is insane and the other is paranoid. We could have mafia claiming DT because everyone's already checked for, especially if godfather exists or there's he's a paranoid DT. But w/es, I suggest you take whatever you've got. If that's just this plan, than so be it. =/ | ||
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On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote: Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p | ||
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On December 03 2010 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch. When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason. Nah, I have hardly any doubts on you right now. Your defense was adequate, your volunteering for lynch is uncharacteristic of mafia, I'm just stupid. xP | ||
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or purple blood. ^_^ Purple so sexy yo, it's like gretorp and haunter But damnit man, Decond never even got to post his analysis. >_< | ||
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On December 05 2010 02:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: oh shit ghrur for some reason i thought you were dead and i was about to flip on you for cheating hard Hahaha, mixing up the games there Doc. xD | ||
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