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Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
November 29 2010 05:51 GMT
#5
Im /in
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
November 30 2010 07:36 GMT
#119
Really happy this is starting! Was traveling home yesterday, and I got class now, so should be able to contribute in a few hours when I've read up during class...
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
November 30 2010 11:39 GMT
#122
So if I understand this lover/sibling mechanic right, we have a group of players, not necessarily mafia, who will always try to swing votes away from each others? But they do not know if each others are town or mafia? Will make it harder to interpret vote swings >_<

I’ve read this + Show Spoiler +
On November 30 2010 13:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
To discuss the other roles in the OP I don't think there was an additional lover.
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.



I think this acted as a conversion role. "born anew" implies a change in roles from one alignment to other, and since there is no third party and I doubt a mafia got converted by a townie, I think it means one of the mafia just recruited a townie against us. The way the town/mafia ratio is set up it doesn't give us initial start counts or anything, just tells us how much mafia there are in the game, assuming the conversion can't fail then it would be three regardless. I imagine the mafia can choose as to when they do it and the person they choose retains their power this would give the mafia incentive to WAIT on the conversation, but then it might be OP, so there might only be a certain amount of time they can wait for the conversion, but its mere speculation.

...

So to summarize, I think there is a mafia conversion power in the lover, judging by how it was used. A Vigi variant in the hooded man, and a possession power in the spirit role.
a few times, and I really don’t understand how to interpret the “with the power of love” part of the clue. Care to explain? I agree with the rest of the role assesments.

What's everyones thoughts on beggar? Some sort of information role?

I’m going to vote for Aidnai for now, his post does seem to paddle through the same sentences a few times on a closer look.

#vote Aidnai

PS: Pandain time to post :-)
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
November 30 2010 14:15 GMT
#126
Hah I got this picture in my head of "mafia" being "lovers", converting others to their side... and one of them is even pregnant with a baby spirit mafia!

But yeah
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
November 30 2010 14:43 GMT
#130
Who do you plan on voting for then?

The role on mafia wiki that most resembles a beggar: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Hobo
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
November 30 2010 17:17 GMT
#137
I’m starting to think that the man in the black hood is mafia aligned. It doesn’t make sense in a chaotic mafia to have mafia without any special powers. We have clues on 5 players in the initial post, and the relationship between mafia and town is 1 to 5. This leads me to believe we got 4 town clues and 1 mafia clue straight off the bat, and my guess is the hooded figure is the bad one. The fact he is pulling out an axe makes me scared to write this :-(.

On Aidnai, this might be mafia slip-ups:

On November 30 2010 06:53 aidnai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 06:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
...
The day will end when majority lynch has been reached. For the day to end a single person must have 8 votes on them to be lynched. The day begins now.

How are we supposed to muster up 8 votes when there's three mafia? Seems a little crazy...

On November 30 2010 06:59 aidnai wrote:
Oh jeez nevermind, I seem a little crazy... I thought there was only 9 townies (12 total)... yet another reading comprehension fail.

Anyway, gl everyone, hope I don't get killed night one again -_-

Notice how he make himself more guilty than the mistake entitles, and drop a “I’m town” hint.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
November 30 2010 17:34 GMT
#139
You forget that
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.

was posted at the same time and could be related. Say 1 person "fell in love", and decided to fall in love with person 2, who was our Pharmocology student. By choosing person 2, person love gained his power of pharmocology.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
November 30 2010 22:06 GMT
#176
Pandain do I really need to repost or can you scroll up?
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
November 30 2010 22:37 GMT
#186
On December 01 2010 07:10 Pandain wrote:
This? This is why your lynching him? Because he made a mistake? Son Person whos probably older than me if I had a penny for every time someone made a mistake in mafia I'd be a rich man. Heck, I misread my role pm one time. (that was funny.)

You're reading at stuff that isn't there, and saying he hopes he doesn't get killed again is not scummy at all.

That is not the post where I posted my reason and gave my vote, this one is: + Show Spoiler +
On November 30 2010 20:39 Barundar wrote:
So if I understand this lover/sibling mechanic right, we have a group of players, not necessarily mafia, who will always try to swing votes away from each others? But they do not know if each others are town or mafia? Will make it harder to interpret vote swings >_<

I’ve read this + Show Spoiler +
On November 30 2010 13:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
To discuss the other roles in the OP I don't think there was an additional lover.
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.



I think this acted as a conversion role. "born anew" implies a change in roles from one alignment to other, and since there is no third party and I doubt a mafia got converted by a townie, I think it means one of the mafia just recruited a townie against us. The way the town/mafia ratio is set up it doesn't give us initial start counts or anything, just tells us how much mafia there are in the game, assuming the conversion can't fail then it would be three regardless. I imagine the mafia can choose as to when they do it and the person they choose retains their power this would give the mafia incentive to WAIT on the conversation, but then it might be OP, so there might only be a certain amount of time they can wait for the conversion, but its mere speculation.

...

So to summarize, I think there is a mafia conversion power in the lover, judging by how it was used. A Vigi variant in the hooded man, and a possession power in the spirit role.
a few times, and I really don’t understand how to interpret the “with the power of love” part of the clue. Care to explain? I agree with the rest of the role assesments.

What's everyones thoughts on beggar? Some sort of information role?

I’m going to vote for Aidnai for now, his post does seem to paddle through the same sentences a few times on a closer look.

#vote Aidnai

PS: Pandain time to post :-)

I do respect you as a more experienced player, but I posted my reasons for voting for Aidnai, and I haven’t seen any counter arguments, not even a defence from Aidnai. Feels like you are just trying to diminish my opinion.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
November 30 2010 22:41 GMT
#188
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 01 2010 08:44 GMT
#250
Well if I do hit a mafia with my guesses, I expect shit to get thrown in my face. It's either that or they try and blame someone else.

I feel really sorry for Glasse though, I think he has been unlucky with being the target a bit too often .
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 01 2010 09:32 GMT
#252
First: With RoL gone I hope a medic would consider protecting me night 1. I was the first snipe night 1 in the Salem game, but back then I was just a townie. Here I can actually be of use to the town.

Secondly I initially voted for Aidnai, because I saw a post which basically repeated itself "no town circles, no town circles" and "discuss don’t spam, discuss don’t spam, discuss don’t spam", which obviously is a contradiction in itself.

However my vote was by no means final, and I simply wanted his explanation. Instead we saw what I consider an attempt to blame fishball, and a ton of spam. This is what I consider the mafia panic response. If mafia had played it cool, my doubts would have been easily dismissed, and from what I can guess since he was weary as well, so would Aeres’. Aidnai’s defence came very late, and while it is decent, it came after the panic response.

Thirdly the only other person I could be convinced to vote for is Ghrur. His attacks on Deconduo seems unreasonable to me. I too got annoyed at Deconduo’s vote tally posting, and called him out on it, but he responded convincingly straight away. However Ghrur is not the target that is being launched as a second candidate. This is also a reason for me to stick to Aidnai.

Lastly I’m really sorry for voting for you Aidnai, I know how frustrating it is to get thrown out early, and I honestly wouldn’t have voted for you if RoL hadn’t spotted that post.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 01 2010 09:34 GMT
#253
EBWODP: Actually I could be convinced to vote SouthRawrea aswell.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 01 2010 16:56 GMT
#264
On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote:
opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first.

also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer"

its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer.



also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously

Last vote is Deconduo (Glasse isn't in the game >_<)
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 01 2010 17:01 GMT
#266
It's majority lynching, so it won't end if people keep switching. I guess I understand Decon not voting better if he is the hammer, but really that means we where one vote away from lynch. Sigh.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 01 2010 17:26 GMT
#273
Barundar: + Show Spoiler +
Secondly I initially voted for Aidnai, because I saw a post which basically repeated itself "no town circles, no town circles" and "discuss don’t spam, discuss don’t spam, discuss don’t spam", which obviously is a contradiction in itself.

However my vote was by no means final, and I simply wanted his explanation. Instead we saw what I consider an attempt to blame fishball, and a ton of spam. This is what I consider the mafia panic response. If mafia had played it cool, my doubts would have been easily dismissed, and from what I can guess since he was weary as well, so would Aeres’. Aidnai’s defence came very late, and while it is decent, it came after the panic response.


Node: + Show Spoiler +
I am very, very confident that Fishball isn't mafia. I'd be willing to bet my life in this game that orgolove's vote being removed is a sign that mafia is trying to frame him. As for not moving his vote off RoL, come on, surely everyone realizes there's no way scum would waste a vote like that in such a small majority lynch game -- it's pretty clear RoL/~OpZ~ isn't going to get lynched. I'm thinking that mafia is just doing their damndest to bandwagon an inactive townie.

I intend to follow through with RoL's plan, and am also willing to offer myself up for a lynch in the event that this doesn't work out.

##Vote aidnai


Jcarlsoniv: + Show Spoiler +
RoL, your points make sense to me, and I would like to find out if these are indeed scum tells.

## Unvote Coag
## Vote Aidnai


Ghrur: + Show Spoiler +
Hey look! RoL and I agree despite me never even reading his analyses. ^_^
Well, I guess we have a lynch candidate.

##Vote Aidnai

In all honestly I don’t like that reason either.

RoL: + Show Spoiler +
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 07:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I am really lazy to actually do an analysis but its a bunch of classic mafia tells. I will show you.
On November 30 2010 06:53 aidnai wrote:
On November 30 2010 06:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
...
The day will end when majority lynch has been reached. For the day to end a single person must have 8 votes on them to be lynched. The day begins now.

How are we supposed to muster up 8 votes when there's three mafia? Seems a little crazy...

A lot of mafia in thread to feign activity pose questions relating to the rules of the thread, it shows activity and is kind of constructive. The biggest thing though is saying how its impossible/hard for town. Its like hes trying to show hes part of the town, I think its generally done subconsciously by mafia because it seems like the right thing to say when it only seems like a townie thing to say from a mafia perspective. I know I have done that tell before in games, but have not been called out on it.
Actually in insane mafia I did it when I attacked the legitimacy of DrH claiming he was "100% town" when that guilty medic died who if he protects mafia dies. I attacked the role and the rules, not him or his claim.

On November 30 2010 06:59 aidnai wrote:
Oh jeez nevermind, I seem a little crazy... I thought there was only 9 townies (12 total)... yet another reading comprehension fail.

Anyway, gl everyone, hope I don't get killed night one again -_-

Fluff post, "I hope I don't get killed night one again" is something the mafia says a lot, then the next day "yay I am not dead" you know why? Because they were killing people the night before lawl. Its just classic zero content posting that paints a red picture.

On November 30 2010 08:24 aidnai wrote:
On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:
Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn.
WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans.

Were your plans for this game similar to your plans for salem mafia?

Ok, seriously though, we have so little information (no role list, no mayor, no roleclaiming)...Obviously number 1 priority is scumhunting, not some crazy town circle or whatever. But what do we talk about? There has to be some kind of discussion going to reveal scuminess. If everyone is just spamming, we'll never get anywhere.

Personally, I think roleclaiming and forming a town circle should not be our focus right now. A town circle may form in a few days around a DT once some checks have been performed (assuming we have a DT). But to debate about it day 1 is silly, and if someone tries to take over the town and put themselves at the center of the town circle etc day 1, I'd be VERY suspicious of them.

So, anyone else have thoughts on discussion points for day one?

I like to call this the grand plan post, its the one I actually quoted while voting for him. Its basically "Alright guys we need to do this that and whatever the fuck else to do to win.
Point A
Point B
Point C
Remember behavioral analysis is important yadayada yada. So basically you made a huge post saying nothing except telling us to be productive? Mafia players like to do this because it makes it look like they are focusing on the big picture for the town, even though they are virtually saying nothing. In a normal game this is less of a tell on day one, but in a crazy game like this there is ALWAYS more to talk about then some stupid "grand plan" in this game he could talk about the weird day post and strange rules, his suspicions, then go into his rant, but he just says nothing.

On November 30 2010 10:56 aidnai wrote:
On November 30 2010 10:18 deconduo wrote:
Not really enough posts to do an analysis or anything, so I think I'll go to bed. Hopefully nothing crazy happens while I sleep.


On November 30 2010 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The man in the black hood found his axe.


lol...looks like something crazy might happen anyway!

But, I agree with deconduo. Not enough posts yet :/ It is pretty early in the game, but RoL must be active 'cause he's modding the other game right? Where you at RoL?

On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.


It seems like there would have to be two lovers to start with, right? so is there a third now?

Also, the axeman is definitely looking sinister. Almost certainly a mafia KP role of some sort, only question is: is it one/limited time use or nightly?

Rehashing old points kind of, focus on the previous posts.

Aidnai is the best candidate right now if not for any other reason than because I said so.

Really, how can you miss this post? You even commented on it.

Aeres: + Show Spoiler +
RoL's analysis of Aidnai seems convincing enough. For now, my vote will stay on him, but as usual, this vote is still tentative.

##Vote Aidnai


I find it suspicious that you can’t fail to read any of these posts by yourself, while you are completely certain of Aidnai.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 01 2010 20:33 GMT
#294
I'm as sure as I can be on Aidnai, and Pandains defence into silence when called out, only confirms him to me.

Fishballs posts are pretty spammy and random, and SouthRawrea is a total goner, so they are both valuable targets. If town can’t decide on anything I could vote for them, but will you please have a look at RoL’s analyse of Aidnai’s posts first?

Bedtime.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 02 2010 03:06 GMT
#346
On December 02 2010 11:20 kingjames01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 18:32 Barundar wrote:
I hope a medic would consider protecting me night 1. I was the first snipe night 1 in the Salem game, but back then I was just a townie. Here I can actually be of use to the town.


From the role list, the closest thing we have to a Doctor/Medic is a Pharmacist/Nerfed Medic. We don't even know if you can be protected the first night.

Explain why you think you are worth protecting and what you have done that would make you a target tonight?


I was the only one who stuck with Aidnai, and kept arguing for him after RoL left. Makes me an obvious target, like in Salem mafia. Also I claim detective (of a sort).

I'm dissapointed you didn
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 02 2010 03:07 GMT
#347
grr enter. Wish you had hammered Aidnai, but atleast we lynched a lurker.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 02 2010 03:16 GMT
#349
Indeed, my sanity is my first priority.
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