EPTgot killed too fast in salem, need more mafia!
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aidnai
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got killed too fast in salem, need more mafia! | ||
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aidnai
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On November 30 2010 06:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ... The day will end when majority lynch has been reached. For the day to end a single person must have 8 votes on them to be lynched. The day begins now. How are we supposed to muster up 8 votes when there's three mafia? Seems a little crazy... | ||
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aidnai
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Anyway, gl everyone, hope I don't get killed night one again -_- | ||
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On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote: Op, so PMs aren't allowed.  Darn.WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. Were your plans for this game similar to your plans for salem mafia? Ok, seriously though, we have so little information (no role list, no mayor, no roleclaiming)...Obviously number 1 priority is scumhunting, not some crazy town circle or whatever. But what do we talk about? There has to be some kind of discussion going to reveal scuminess. If everyone is just spamming, we'll never get anywhere. Personally, I think roleclaiming and forming a town circle should not be our focus right now. A town circle may form in a few days around a DT once some checks have been performed (assuming we have a DT). But to debate about it day 1 is silly, and if someone tries to take over the town and put themselves at the center of the town circle etc day 1, I'd be VERY suspicious of them. So, anyone else have thoughts on discussion points for day one? | ||
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On November 30 2010 10:18 deconduo wrote: Not really enough posts to do an analysis or anything, so I think I'll go to bed. Hopefully nothing crazy happens while I sleep. On November 30 2010 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The man in the black hood found his axe. lol...looks like something crazy might happen anyway! But, I agree with deconduo. Not enough posts yet :/ It is pretty early in the game, but RoL must be active 'cause he's modding the other game right? Where you at RoL? On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Another student got his Pharmocology degree. Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. It seems like there would have to be two lovers to start with, right? so is there a third now? Also, the axeman is definitely looking sinister. Almost certainly a mafia KP role of some sort, only question is: is it one/limited time use or nightly? | ||
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On November 30 2010 16:00 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I don't even know what to say about that. But if you would like, I would bet my life that Aidnai is mafia and if I am wrong we can kill me tomorrow. Sound fair? I'd make the bet! What the....? I'm trying to see how this makes any sense as a town play (or a scum play for that matter)? are you just bluffing to put more pressure on me or something? Coag is right, this is a crazy gamble and I don't understand it at all. As for my 'scummy' posting... I just don't see it. My points were 1) we should focus on schumhunting 2) we need real discussion points to get town talking and 3) I don't really know what we SHOULD talk about, but I do think we SHOULDN'T be wasting time talking about roleclaiming (moot point since it's not allowed for now anyway) or building a town circle (day 1 no DT checks have come back). Do you disagree with any of that? Also this: On December 01 2010 02:17 Barundar wrote: I... On Aidnai, this might be mafia slip-ups: Notice how he make himself more guilty than the mistake entitles, and drop a “I’m town” hint. I suppose this was a "slip up" of sorts... I had just PMd a question to DrH about how I use my role. Then of course I saw that the information I needed was already in my role PM. So yeah, I was feeling sheepish, and yes, I did get killed night one in salem mafia for whatever reason >.< Remember, when I posted that stuff we were only five hours into the game, there really wasn't much to talk about. I posted what came to mind, so what? I actually did contribute, which is better than most other people in the thread. And jcarlsoniv, you said I am against a town circle, which is not true at all. I’m against having some random person day 1 focusing discussion on forming a town circle. If a circle happens, it happens. It shouldn’t be the focus. Now pressuring people with votes and arguments is good, but for the life of me I can’t figure out why RoL is doing this bet with fishball... Does he intend to follow through and willingly lynch himself if I do get lynched today? He stated already that he expects to die tonight, maybe he thinks the bet doesn’t matter? but how does it help town? I really can’t figure this one out, can you explain it to us RebirthofLegend? | ||
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aidnai
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Here's the thing, mafia would love to just sit back and let town destroy itself. So it's a safe bet that some of these conflicts are townie vs. townie. But the fact that the debate is continually being shifted from one thing to the next says to me that mafia are active in the thread, trying to shift attention around. So probably there's at least one mafia vs. townie battle going on. Now my thoughts: RoL vs. aidnai. RoL's case against me was pretty weak, ESPECIALLY compared to the way he was acting about it. I've thought about this for a while and come to the following conclusion: RoL is probably a vet type role, or perhaps a mad hatter. I believe his game plan was something like, pick the first scumtell you see, pressure the shit out of whoever it was that 'slipped'. Two options from here: 1) you found mafia -> congrats, you may get a lynch, you may force mafia to behave a certain way in the thread, etc. 2) you found town -> in this case the plan is to draw a mafia hit. Mafia would certainly be tempted to hit RoL to frame me and cause confusion in the town (while eliminating a strong player, perhaps the only one here with a game plan)...of course, RoL would either survive the hit (foiling the plan) or maybe blow up some mafia. I think he may have also chosen me to pick on because i'm new--the thinking being that if I was actually mafia, he'd be able to scare me into making a real slip-up. I think his brazen, fearless stlye of posting definitely points to a vet/bulletproof/hatter type role, where he would want to take a hit. Verdict: townie vs. townie. Ghrur vs. Deconduo. I have looked at the posting from both, and in my opinion we're looking at two townies again. Both deconduo and ghrur looked suspicious right off the bat, as each would be eager to point out. But, that is more than understandable, given the wacky game setup plus everyone is a blue so that right there is gonna make people act a little weird. What is more important, however, is that they both responded pretty well to pressure, gave good arguments, posted without guilt or fear etc. Imo you two should bury the hatchet. Verdict: townie vs. townie. That leaves coag/fishball/orgo. I feel like I'm missing half of what's going on with this one, but here's what I see. Coag votes fishball later explaining his reasoning as "I really feel that if doch would make anyone on the signup list mafia it would be 100% fishball". Fishball responds pretty oddly (voting himself, then unvoting and voting RoL), and orgolove jumps all over him. Now this was obviously a simple pressure vote, but look at the way fishball reacted: On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote: Hell, the game just started. What exactly do you want me to do? And what do you mean "I didn't respond like a blue at all"? There is a specific way on how a blue responds? Well I surely didn't know that! For an immediate Day 1 lynch, I could really care less who wants to vote for who. But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives, especially in such a small game like this. As for why I voted for RoL; Well, I feel like it. If I were a Day Vig, I would have used my kill on him right now. Why? Because I feel like it...  So if you follow your senses and vote for me, I won't have a problem with that at all.Now, this seems scummy to me for several reasons. 1) overreaction much? 2) advises looking at inactives, votes for a strong mafia player/veteran (at that point inactive) and then never changes his vote despite RoL becoming active and being a likely blue. 3) shows no regard for town interests. And in fact, fishball has done absolutely nothing for town, even though he's been active yesterday and today. Here's the rest of his posts to date: On December 01 2010 04:53 Fishball wrote: Huh? Coag is still on the list. On December 01 2010 04:59 Fishball wrote: Nevermind, I missed your first post above. Keep in mind these posts (from page 8) are boldly ignoring orgolove's accusations--a common mafia tactic (ignore it until it goes away). I know fishball is capable of doing more for town than this. Maybe he's acting extra strange because of his role, but I can't believe there's a town role that keeps you from contributing anything at all. on that note: ##vote fishball P.S. aeres, barundar, ~opz~, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, will you please remove your votes from me? only thing worse than getting killed night one for me would be getting lynched day one. -_- | ||
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Btw, why are we checking your sanity night one? do you think you'll survive night 2 to tell us anything? We'll find out if you're crazy when you die. You should do something useful every night you manage to stay alive. hmm... I don't know what to say about the hammer thing. I'm not the evil that post referred to, I can roleclaim if I have to. But I will at least wait til daybreak. :p On December 03 2010 01:53 Aeres wrote: This might be me being thrown by a red herring, but this post from the Doc makes me suspicious of Aidnai. If Deconduo's "hammer" role is as Barundar claims, one more vote would have effectively lynched Aidnai. The part saying "and it almost struck evil" makes me think that we were very close to lynching a Mafioso. The hammer was almost forced to take down Aidnai, who is possibly the "evil" referred to in this post. btw, Deconduo never said he had to vote if there were 7 votes, he said he could only vote if there were already seven votes. | ||
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 Apparently mafia only has 1 kp (which they wasted on a vet night one), unless our pharmacists actually stopped a hit. Our night-claiming DT's are both alive and it seems that barundar is the sane one... I'm going back over orgolove's posts to try to see why he might have been hit... ideas so far: - orgolove was going after fishball, so either mafia is trying to frame fishball (again) or save fishball (again). Either way, we will unfortunately need to discuss how to deal with fishball. He obviously will not respond to pressure, and I'm inclined to think he won't contribute much to town either. The goal of lynching is obviously killing scum, not apathetic or unhelpful (or 'crazy') townies, but when there's no way to tell them apart... i honestly wish fishball wasn't playing this way. It's simply impossible to make a read - they hit orgolove for a 'sure' hit, and possibly to avoid other night roles (trackers/watchers etc.)... no reason to expect pharmacist protection. Too bad for them he's a vet lol. If this is the case, then his - they had some reason to believe orgolove's role was dangerous to them. Of these three possibilities, I think the first is most likely. Here's fishball's posts since my last mini-analysis of him. + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2010 04:53 Fishball wrote: Huh? Coag is still on the list. On December 01 2010 04:59 Fishball wrote: Nevermind, I missed your first post above. On December 01 2010 15:09 Fishball wrote: lol, that's not how I play, more like how I choose to play. I'm currently trying to get gold on GT5 B-6 His response to my pressure was to completely ignore it, then blow off the defense ~opz~ offered for him. On December 01 2010 15:27 Fishball wrote: I like how the OP says there are no clues, but then there are "hints". On December 01 2010 15:34 Fishball wrote: I personally think this stuff should be clarified in the beginning. On December 01 2010 15:50 Fishball wrote: I know the difference between the two (unless you think others are retarded), and that is not my point. Sure, a host can do whatever he wants; That's why I said "I personally think". On December 02 2010 02:35 Fishball wrote: I wanted to vote for annul, and so I did. ##Unvote RebirthOfLeGenD ##Vote: annul On December 02 2010 02:43 Fishball wrote: I did have one other explanation: I wanted to. La la la la La~ On December 02 2010 03:06 Fishball wrote: Totally dude. We should just kill them all. The world would be a better place. On December 02 2010 04:20 Fishball wrote: Now I'm starting to think we should lynch SouthRawrea On December 02 2010 05:25 Fishball wrote: Because I'm a ball, and I roll. You cannot stop the ball. I'll just roll over you. On December 02 2010 05:29 Fishball wrote: One of the reasons I want to lynch Annul: He can't be this stupid. Which means he has a different agenda. On December 02 2010 06:19 Fishball wrote: I don't want to get lynched. NOOOooo... Hey, experimental game, change of ways for me to play the game. Seeing how everyone reacts and how they read "my play" is an interesting study. On December 02 2010 07:15 Fishball wrote: Well I'm a lover. I love many things. I'm a merry person. On December 02 2010 08:36 Fishball wrote: Three Mafia in the game. My picks for the moment! - annul - SouthRawrea - ????? On December 02 2010 23:25 Fishball wrote: Have you ever thought if he is Mafia, he can rightfully end the vote early every other cycle, when he deems so, without "drawing suspicion". Just throwing it out there and stirring it up. This quote is significant because it is the only post i was able to find in which Fishball offered an idea that was relevant to the game. Unfortunately, his idea is that deconduo's axe role could be red, which would OBVIOUSLY be OP for mafia...basically, they would decide the lynch every other day. On December 02 2010 23:56 Fishball wrote: I like overpowered roles. Don't you like overpowered roles? I asked for Rambo with 10 KP and immune to everything, but DH said that role was stupid. I died a little inside. On December 03 2010 01:43 Fishball wrote: Yes I'm magical. In my little magical world, I sit in an office most of the time and "work". Wait. What roleclaim? Oh you mean the comments I had for deconduo's roleclaim? Scare me? Why so scared? I no scared! On December 03 2010 02:19 Fishball wrote: I refuse to believe that you do not think I'm crazy. On December 03 2010 13:09 Fishball wrote: Come fourth people, and tell us what you found! On December 03 2010 13:10 Fishball wrote: God damn typo. Forth* After more people speak up, I want to bring up two things. I believe most of these speak for themselves, but I did comment on a couple stand-outs. For those of you unable to wade through all that, i offer the tl;dr version below. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7804/53288700.jpg) It occurred to me that since there are lovers in this game, fishball could be the town oriented lover. If we lynch him, we may get a mafia. Generally these roles are forbidden from roleclaiming or trying for a strategic modkill, so this role might help explain fishball's behavior. I'm not convinced on this idea though because of this post... On December 02 2010 06:19 Fishball wrote: I don't want to get lynched. NOOOooo... Hey, experimental game, change of ways for me to play the game. Seeing how everyone reacts and how they read "my play" is an interesting study. I'd love to hear any other thoughts on this, especially from fishball. | ||
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aidnai
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and it looks like he's only gotten more crazy... ##Vote Fishball | ||
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3 night kills seems like too much for scum, we must have had a vig waste a hit, no? The possibilities as I see it are 1) 2KP + 1 special, 1KP was successfully stopped by town night 1. I suppose this is possible based on the number of pharmacists, often mafia kp will not be less than the number of medics. 2) 1KP + 1 special + 1 vigilante missed. I know the hints haven't exactly specified a vig, but then, the zombie was actually a vet... I don't think there could be 2 special kp for mafia used the same night, right? On December 05 2010 02:06 ghrur wrote: God, how did Barundar die? >_< Didn't he say he had a "pill?" Also, 7-3 now, we're going to need to lynch a mafia today. Let's not rush this lynch. I was wondering about this myself. Either he gambled that mafia wouldn't hit him and saved the pill again instead of taking it, or the mafia had some workaround for offing him. I can't think of any other possibilities... I am very disappointed that we haven't been able to lynch a scum yet. I thought southrawrea was a decent target. With Fishball we kinda got screwed by the balance/role conflict thing, and yeah, that is making it pretty tough for town at this point. Five town in a single day night cycle, including a lot of information roles...crazy. Regarding fishball's play: now that we know coag's real role, I agree it looks like coag coordinated with fishball to confirm coag's fake dt role. This explains why fishball withheld the information gained from the 'rolecheck'. Also, the only chance fishball had of using his role to benefit town was to make himself an easy lynch and not give away the nature of his role. I understand why he didn’t like his role too, since there’s really no way to influence your own lynch to make sure a mafia last hits you... maybe he should have been allowed to choose anyone that voted for him. Another way to solve it would be to make the executioner a mafia role perhaps. All that being said, I think I understand fishball’s play decently, but I'm still not sure why coag picked fishball for his ploy... Time to discuss lynch targets -_- I have my suspicions on a particular person right now, but I want to make a very good analysis before i post it. | ||
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Before this argument came up, i had not considered annul, but I already analyzed ghrur (didn't post much of it though) and decided he was town. Reading their arguments, it still looks to me like ghrur is town, and he has done a decent analysis, imo better than his analysis of deconduo. Annul's reaction is... well, definitely a reaction. I want to go through the thread and decide for myself about annul though. He really flew under my radar up until now... Bottom line: I think we may have a winner here, and to avoid confusion and multiple lynch targets, i will hold off on my aeres analysis for now. I'll post it if Annul vs. Ghrur is not going anywhere. For the people calling me out on inactivity, I am posting with the same regularity as I have all game, and Salem as well. One or two posts a day means less spam, more thought. On December 05 2010 13:20 ~OpZ~ wrote: ... KingJames needs to go back to scum hunting himself, but I'm more interested in Aidnai claiming. He said he would claim day two? Did I miss it too? Me and Oroglove are confirmed. This should be pretty simple to figure out. Why are you interested in me claiming? Role claims have been pretty bad for town so far. I said I would claim if I had to in response to the situation where the hammer clue from dr.h seemed to be saying that my near-lynch experience day indicated i was scum. That got cleared up afterwards by additional hints from DrH (deconduo was axe guy, not hammer), so no need for the roleclaim. | ||
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Thanks to Annul and KJ for coaching me through, i learned a lot. I'll be a stronger player next game, whichever role i'm cast. From the town's perspective, the roleclaims really really hurt. They gave mafia much more info than anyone else, especially since we (mostly) knew they weren't fake. We weren't even that surprised about coag, since one of his first posts was "I have to run town circle" which didn't exactly fit his later claim. In a game with so little information, I felt like I was going to slip up every time i posted; that is, until we had more info. Once we had all the info from the roleclaims and whatnot, we were able to post confidently, spam a lot more about clues and such, and form a gameplan around who are targets would be. I felt like Node should have gotten himself killed, and town should not have put up with the KJ/Annul fight, or with their spam in general. I'm quite surprised I lived as well... I think scum are gonna win over in salem too... poor town | ||
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The fishball lynch was kinda crazy... I really think the priest is a horrible role that we should never see again (unless executioner is scum?). Pandain, if you read this, thanks for sticking up for me rofl... I felt guilty letting you argue on my behalf, and i wondered what I would do in your shoes... I honestly don't see what RoL saw in my posts, which is ok 'cause he's played a lot more than me, and I think I would have done the exact same thing as you. Anyway, I hope you don't feel too bad about that <3. | ||
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