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Awesome. Skimmed the thread, I'm not sure about the no clues thing, since annul said: "2. pay very close attention to the final line of every cycle change post. helpful hint." That may or may not be a clue of some sort. We'll see. One more thing tho, I was part of the Kingmaker game, where the "mayor" was elected every day. If our MoM gets killed, will we elect a new one? And if so, what's to stop Mafia from killing them 'till they get a mafia MoM? | ||
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easily. that's how. But yeah, that's a good question, how will the MoM decide who to kill first, whoever he is (will be). | ||
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On December 11 2010 11:38 LSB wrote: What will I do as mayor I will hold a secrete ballot for the first elections. And I will post who voted for who afterwards. You know, mafia loves to redirect the first election? This will make it harder for them to. This is important for many reasons. Say we're going to lynch inactives. One is mafia, one is town Mafia: "Yo! Lets bandwagon this guy!" Town: "We'll their both inactive so I guess I'll vote for the town" Annul: "You guys lynched a townie. Sheep =P" Now. Imagine my system LSB: "Person A and Person B are inactive, please send me pm for who you vote for" Town sends PMs. Each person has about a 50% chance of dieng. Mafia doesn't have that much influence. Annul: "This person is mafia! Woot Woot!" In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). Let me tell you the loophole in your plan there, buddy. Say you're mafia. People choose two people to lynch, townie and mafia. You rig the "anonymous" votes and lynch the townie, even though most people voted for the mafia. You can never be checked/blamed for that since people agreed to secret votes. So yeah, that's not gonna be in the best interest of town IMO. | ||
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On December 11 2010 11:58 LSB wrote: People will be like, "YOU ARE WRONG!" if I try to manipulate votes. Oh right, I didn't read that part, but it still gives you a certain degree of manipulation by hiding some mafia votes, if you are mafia. Like say the townie is winning by 7 votes, you switch 3 of the mafia votes to hide them, the difference is less significant, town is more confused. Just saying tho, I don't really care since it's just one night. | ||
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On December 11 2010 12:57 why wrote: Good point. Sorry about that. I like reasoned vote a lot. Of all of them I think that would result in the most discussion and more discussion is always better. That's good in theory. But what possible "good reasons" would one have after not a day of playing? It basically promotes "laying low" because the only reason for voting you would be something you said. I don't think it's a very good idea, we should probably pick someone with experience and then make a lynch-vote and that's that. | ||
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Me, I would lynch an inactive on first night. We can't have them dragging on till days 3-4 like we did before and then be in too much crap to afford to get rid of them. I wouldn't mind lynching LSB either, part from the fact that you guys said he's an experienced player, but if we don't, LSB will still be under scrutiny for the rest of the game because of his voting strategy. The lurkers, however, will never get outed, and I absolutely HATE that. | ||
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On December 12 2010 00:25 deconduo wrote: I'm going to run for MoM as well. I'm not veteran, but I have played a few games. I'm not going to hold a vote for who to lynch, but I will listen to peoples advice and make my own decision. I feel this way I am pretty transparent, and its much more difficult for mafia to manipulate the lynch. So vote for me  I'm sold ##lynch deconduo | ||
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I would like Meapak as well but it seems that people started voting for him out of the blue pretty much, so I'm keeping my options open... still. | ||
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In that case, I'm voting on deconduo, for now. Just in case I don't make it back in time. | ||
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On December 12 2010 01:10 LSB wrote: Btw, they do end tomorrow. However, if we want a good lynch candidate we should give ourselves lots of time to discuss it. Personally, I'm all for voting for a lurker. Depends on your definition of tomorrow. Basically, they end in 5 hours or so? | ||
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So, why go into his plan and kill him? You guys said he's an experienced player (i wouldn't really know, haven't been around that much). Does that look like an experienced player's campaign to you? It reeks of "please lynch me" to any decent player. That's probably what he's trying to do. And you, what if your winning condition is "win mayor on day1", or something like that? What if you gain something if LSB is killed? I don't know what to say, both of you look fishy as hell. And I wouldn't vote for any of you on the first day. With so many alternative winning conditions, I feel that this could be a very short game. | ||
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On December 12 2010 07:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Meapak don't sell yourself short! It's a very probably theory! Here let me do an analysis for you. Starts being difficult and harassing popular opinion, most likely to ingrain negative thoughts in the minds of townies. Comes out of no where applying for MoM and offering one of the other candidates who had the most popularity so far as his lynch no matter what. Probably contributing to his desire to look bad upon the town. Uses odd reasoning here, why would one have to prove their innocence? What the fuck is this England? Changes mind on the fly with what his plans were as MoM now asking for the input of other townies? Or just being difficult and distracting the town more. Conclsuion: With very little posts hes probably a traitor or a VI, posting in a very confusing manner with a seemingly differing agenda then the town. Should keep an eye on him if nothing else! I might be wrong here, but were you not talking about LSB? Because if you were, you just said that he's probably a traitor/VI, in which case it would make no sense to lynch him. I'm just asking, cuz I might be confused, but that's how it sounded to me. And yeah, I must admit I don't like your "vote me I'll lynch that dude for not doing xxx in previous game"-campaign. Call me weird. | ||
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On December 12 2010 11:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol I was joking about the reasoning for wanting to kill him. In TMM2 we were mafia together and they chose a bad hit on the last day which cost us the game. That isn't actually a reason to kill him  If you look at that analysis you are quoting I am analyzing myself based on something meapak said a few posts up. Yeah I figured that's what ELSE it could mean. Ok fair enough. Still don't trust either of you tho. | ||
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On December 12 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote: Meapak, you have my vote. We've spent a lot of time discussing the candidacy of LSB and RoL. What about deconduo? Here's his posts so far: Announces candidacy, plugs candidacy, then gets side tracked for three posts--not much of a campaign imo. Yet he was able to garner votes from Jackal58, ilovejonn, and CubEdIn. Why did you three vote for such a non-chalant candidate? Especially Jackal58 and ilovejonn, who are both lurking pretty hard-core. Just woke up, I was skimming through the thread and was just thinking of this. Here's how it went: 1. He announced candidacy. I voted for him in the first 5-10mins, because I find the votes for Meapak suspicious. 2. Plenty of time later, a few more people vote for him. "out of the blue" so to say. 3. Meapak posts that he'll probably kill deconduo, because of his suspicious voters 4. ilovejonn switches his vote to himself Now, please explain: a) How are there "many votes out of the blue"? I explained mine, and then there were 2 more votes. He never got to be the first place or anything b) Why would ilovejonn switch his post after Meapak threatened to lynch deconduo due to people voting for him out of the blue? I'm sorry but this looks like a very harsh slip-up from a newbie red. If deconduo dies and he flips red, then ilovejonn should die instantly. Even if deconduo isn't red, it's still a very weird and scummish move in my eyes. I must admit that I'm really scared of the alternative winning conditions. I get the reasoning behind meapak's idea, and I know we're short on alternatives, but I don't think there are enough clues to actually take down deconduo because of it. Please think a bit better before you kill him. | ||
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On December 13 2010 01:54 deconduo wrote: Excuse me what are the reasons behind having me lynched again? Because 3 people voted for me? Cube gave good solid reasons, and the other 2 people are newbs that are probably sheeping or randomly voting. Meapaks bandwagon is MUCH more suspicious. Your logic is all over the place. 'Decon might be red cos ilovejohn voted for him and ilovejohn is scummy. So lynch decon'. WTF, in that situation you suggest lynching ilovejohn. This. I appreciate the thumbs up for good analysis, but I never pushed deconduo to be red. I just said that I don't think that the reason to lynch him is very solid, BUT that what ilovejonn did was kinda scummy. If I thought deconduo was red I wouldn't still have my vote on him. And again, ilovejonn is probably a smurf laying low or a newb, but do to his vote-switch, it turns out it's most likely to be the latter. I'm not saying that's reason enough to lynch him though, but he definitely made my list of people to watch out for. What I suggest is this: 1. Ignore the LSB/RoL war. Even if one of them (or both) is red, helping one is probably bad for the town. I'm thinking of things like village idiot, traitor, or any other of the alternative win conditions. They could also both be red and ensure that by arguing so much they would lock down the night 1 lynch, which might be of value to them, or even get some of the townies to trust/confess their roles to them. 2. Have a level-headed guy for mayor. Meapak said that he's not married to killing deconduo. That's fine with me. If he's at least considering other people, and listening to people's votes, then he's a good candidate. Again, I'm not saying deconduo ISN'T red, but I don't want people to overlook anything. If after some analysis, dec seems to still be the best choice for meapak, then fine. 3. Lynch an inactive. And not the kind of inactive that never posted and will get modkilled anyway, but the ones that are trying to slip under the radar, just on the edge of inactivity. ilovejonn is one of the examples, but, again, I don't think it's enough to lynch him, but we can at least get these kind of people to talk more. | ||
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On December 13 2010 09:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: other possible targets would be ilovejohn or beneather From all these 5, I'd have to pick either ilovejonn or aidinai. I already stated why I find ilovejonn suspicious. And if he flips red, we can go for deconduo as well. And as much as I don't like LSB's play, his argument on Aidinai seems decent, and when he attacked deconduo he said I voted for him "nonchalantly", when I was pretty clear of my motives. So either one would be fine with me. | ||
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Deconduo can confirm this theory, but I believe that he pmed people. I know he PMed me He PMed me as well, but only after I voted for him. | ||
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On December 13 2010 11:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: sorry for shitting up the thread with so many posts but I realized that this wasn't that bad of a lynch. + Show Spoiler + you are Draco Malfoy! you had a hard life. you almost got caught in with the death eaters and shit. if draco malfoy is alive when five or less players are alive, draco malfoy wins an alternate win. if draco wins by any manner, and is alive when he does so, both lucius malfoy and narcissa malfoy also win. you are not allowed to tell anybody (even your parents) about this ability until dawn of day 6 While we didn't hit a red it sounds like aidnai could have won without the town so at least we hit someone who wasn't pure town. Sorry though Aidnai, if you had posted in the first nine tenths of the game like you did for the last part you probably would have lived. Yeah that's what I was gonna say. At least that's one alternative victory down the drain. Fewer to worry about. | ||
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