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On November 12 2010 11:47 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: w00t This game will start right after Ace and DrH's respective games finish. Let's gogogo! | ||
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Can you explain the 'curse' dynamic a little more? i.e. what effect does being cursed have on a townie? Other than that, I think I understand the setup decently. I know the role count is not disclosed, but just to double check my assumptions with everyone... it's probably something close to 8 regular mafia/witches 1 godfather/elder 1 miller 1 chaos ensuant 2 DTs/witch hunters 2 medics/healers 1 mad hatter 1 vet/hardened soldier 1 vigi/paranoid villager and about 13 townies yes/no? | ||
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On November 26 2010 23:29 Radfield wrote: Lets hope they did a better job of balancing than that  I think 6 mafia in a 30 player game is pretty standard (at least, 4 in a 20 player game is fairly standard). A likely KP of 3 to start with(normal formula is mafia #/2 rounded up). Add in a miller and a traitor, and we're probably looking at between 5 and 7 blue roles. As far as what those blue roles may be, I don't know, and it doesn't matter all that much. We get what we get.... actually mafia KP is two until there only one scum remaining. Declaring absence for 24 hours. Due to Thanksgiving followup activities with my cousins. There will be no computers/internet available, so see you later. | ||
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On November 28 2010 07:04 KtheZ wrote: Looking through the voting forum, some things stand out to me. 1. Aidnai, why did you decide to bandwagon Pandain? Everyone else has a reason, but I think it would be best if you also gave us a reason too. ... I voted pandain as a placeholder. I was gone for the past day and was taking my time reading the thread, updating a spreadsheet, etc then I saw in the thread that we had ten hours left in the day, miscalculated what that actually meant, and panic voted my best bet at the time. I wasn't aware I was even bandwagoning. I still dislike Panda's analysis of Annul, but that doesn't really mean anything about Pandain's alignment. I was about to switch my vote to DTA, but now this kenpachi thing just came up and I'm reconsidering... | ||
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On November 28 2010 08:31 SouthRawrea wrote: I feel that youngminii at this point in time has still been inactive for unreasonable amount of time for a game barring extraordinary situations. As my vote on DTA won't seem to have any effect for this day, I will be switching my vote to this inactive.  Actually, I am switching to DTA now. Maybe your vote could have an effect. I think Deconduo might switch to DTA as well, based on his analysis below. I am voting DTA because of his confusing and spammy posting, plus his weak accusation of DrH. On November 28 2010 05:57 deconduo wrote: Theres a lot of people voting that aren't giving explanation for their votes. Whenever you place a vote you should definitely give reasoning behind it. My opinions on possible lynch candidates: 1) I don't have a whole lot of experience with BrownBear, but the last game I was in with him he was pretty inactive and he was mafia. 2) Pandain is active, no need to vote for him anymore imo. 3)Kenpachi is pretty nooby. He was inactive in both games he played, town in one maf in the other. Not much to go on here. 4) Don't know anything about scara, regardless he should be posting more. 5)DarthThienAn: Spammed a lot early game which I didn't like because he created confusion. Calling for medic protection, pretending to run for mayor etc. doesn't help in games when theres a lot of new people. Even some vets got confused. I've got my eye on him. 6) Youngminii seems to be a decent player, should be posting more. As such I'm changing my vote to him to pressure. | ||
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On November 28 2010 10:17 annul wrote: i heavily defend attacks against me no matter what, green blue or red. make a note of this. i claimed this in haunted (red), followed it up in insane (blue), and continued the trend in sengoku (blue, though i guess that isn't "proven" yet). why stop now? Noted: Annul has claimed blue. Interesting. | ||
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On November 28 2010 10:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Night 1 The town played a game of tug of war during the day with the lives of Kenpachi and Brownbear, at the end of the day there had to be a loser. As the town looked onward in a state of curious bemusement BrownBear was dropped from the gallows. BrownBear the Chaos Ensuant had died. Oh excellent! This is pretty damn good for a day 1 lynch imo. Since Mafia do not know who the Chaos Ensuant (traitor) is, we can analyze todays voting/posting/defenses etc. as though BB was a townie. (e.g. he may have been bandwagoned by some mafia). I still think that DTA needs to be examined carefully. What about modkills? | ||
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On November 28 2010 10:31 aidnai wrote: Oh excellent! This is pretty damn good for a day 1 lynch imo. Since Mafia do not know who the Chaos Ensuant (traitor) is, we can analyze todays voting/posting/defenses etc. as though BB was a townie. (e.g. he may have been bandwagoned by some mafia). I still think that DTA needs to be examined carefully. What about modkills? jeez I got ninja'd by KtheZ and by RoL... need to read/post faster I guess. | ||
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On November 28 2010 10:20 aidnai wrote: Noted: Annul has claimed blue. Interesting. On November 28 2010 10:25 annul wrote: and ps i never claimed any color for this game. Yeah sorry annul, I misread sengoku mafia as salem mafia. I thought that was really weird, shoulda triple checked. On November 28 2010 12:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: there are a lot of things wrong with your post SR ... Quite agree with you DrH. | ||
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On November 28 2010 17:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: They don't need to check them, DT's are autonomous. Priority right now is finding a confirmed townie through which they can communicate via PM, hopefully getting to me that way. A DT can check me as well and then confirm to me directly, but like many have said, if I were a mafia player I'd be the #1 pick for godfather. I'm PMing people and posting in the thread on a need to know basis. If anyone wants to know more in-depth what I'm thinking, talk to me in the great PM land. I'm not going to let everyone in on every thought in my head because: a. i don't want mafia to know b. don't want to spam the thread i'm feeling much better about pandain/aeres/southrawrea then I was when I posted that, to be clear. I'm obviously a prime candidate for a DT check, I feel DTA is suspicious as well as coagulation. Is the priority right now really to find confirmed townies to strengthen the town circle? or is it to find confirmed scum? Also, you gave a list of scum suspects before, right? Coag, pandain, DTA, etc.? Do you have a list of probable townies to check? Personally, I think DT's should still be trying to find scum. Check players you find suspicious, if they come back town oriented, great, your circle just grew. Of course, Godfather could throw a wrench in that... | ||
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On November 26 2010 07:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Artanis[Xp] watches DarthThienAn from the shadows watching flamewheel from the shadows. On November 27 2010 11:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm going to have to agree with Radfield right now. Please don't roleclaim just yet and wait for the DT's to clear a path. Personally, I would suggest them to check players that are unlikely to become godfather should they be mafia. Even if mafia knows this, they would be gambling a LOT if they chose an unexperienced player as godfather, so I would consider this relatively safe. The only problem this gives is the chaos ensuant. I don't think this will be a big problem though, as it's incredibly hard for one to get into contact with mafia. If you find a cleared person this way, it's a great way to start a circle. On November 28 2010 10:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: VOTING IS CLOSED ---- ... Amber[LighT] - 1 Artanis[Xp] ... -------------- Brownbear is to be lynched with a vote total of 9. This is the sum total of Artanis' contributions so far. Artanis, do you mind explaining your lurking ways and your somewhat random vote? Also, Radfield, you posted a list of lurkers to be pressured. On November 27 2010 21:38 Radfield wrote: OK, we're running out of time here. There's absolutely no reason that people should be able to coast through Day 1. Voting Pandain until he posts some content, then moving down the list of people who i know should be posting more content. If Day 1 becomes about pressure votes, so be it. We can't analyse posts if there are none.... 5. Scaramanga 6. Kenpachi 7. Amber[light 11. youngminii 15. deconduo Why no Artanis on this list? For the record, I am inclined to believe you are pro-town at this point, but I do want to know why you missed artanis. | ||
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 Just catching up on what happened the past 12 hours. Dang... | ||
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GG go town! | ||
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On December 03 2010 10:27 Kavdragon wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2010 09:26 JimboSilvers wrote: Yup. I'm apparently so obvious that you don't even have to bother with responding to my defense. Nice avoidance tactics there. Anyway, a bunch of people are running around supporting the terrible argument that "oh noes if DH is mafia we doomed anyway so we might as well keep trusting him!" You've been sheeped by him the whole game. And you continue to want to sheep him. Way to go. Either way, the logic for this argument is atrocious. Nobody has given any good reasons for us to go flock to DH. They're all based on an idea that just isnt true. Assuming this game is balanced most of the other normal games I've read, we're now at 15 town to 5 mafia. Which is not unwinnable at all. And looking at the dead blues, there are probably no more blues left besides South's "DT", and maybe a veteran or two. Town doesn't really benefit from knowing who the veterans are, only the DTs. And there's probably only one left. Given that this "DT" is already in DH's inner circle, the reasons for "keeping DH because we're doomed anyway" is bad. DH said he shared everything with his circle. This means that DH isn't really crucial to the town's information library. There are 3-4? other people who share this information. DH as town is no more important than anyone else in the circle. He is not as crucial as he wants you to think. This idea that we need to trust DH is blatantly false. Nobody has told us why the game is already lost if DH is mafia. I've just shown how eliminating DH won't destroy all of our information and how there are likely few blue roles that would benefit from DH. Using "he knows everything" as an excuse to keep him alive is terrible. If we're going to win this game, we need to kill the elder. And as stated before by many people, if DH is mafia, hes the elder. We need to kill him right now to lower mafia KP. DH's play this game has been fantastic. He has used propaganda to make himself appear "critical" to the town's survival. Futhermore, he's been constantly saying that "since he already has so many blue roles, the rest might as well claim to him" along with "if I'm mafia you're all screwed". The fact is that there is no real reason why town is screwed if DH knows the blue roles. Is it a major blow to the town? Yes. Can town overcome infiltration of the blue circle? Yes, but its difficult. Don't dismiss the idea that he's mafia just because he knows things. Vote based on who is mafia, don't excuse someone just because they appear valuable. DH wants you to think he's valuable. This is a pretty blatant fraud. Even his circle seems to believe him. But in the event that you prefer to follow someone who has been completely shady since the beginning of the game and want to lynch me, then go ahead. Town doesn't deserve a win if you keep sheeping and using bad logic. This DH situation is not logical. Think it over hard if you really care about this game. While I have agreed to this reasoning that "if DrH is mafia, yadda yadda blah, " It's not the reason that I no longer think he's scum. I'm not saying that he's town because he HAS to be town for us to win. Again, I agree with that reasoning, but it's not the reason I think he is town. I think he is town because of the way that he reacted to pressure from me and others, regarding his lack of contribution on the front of analysis of posts. He responded with the best defense I've seen this whole game: a ton of in-depth, low-fluff analysis. I'd like to see more players analysed by him and others, but we can't have tons of players all up on the chopping block, or we give the mafia too much power to subtly change the vote. This is why we should focus on two or three players, analyse the shit out of them, decide which looks the most mafia, and go with the strongest lynch. My humble opinion. O.O you said a bad word! | ||
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On November 28 2010 21:33 Radfield wrote: ... All new players take note, no wiser words have been spoken. This game is about focusing on who is MAFIA, not who is town. How many times have you used the ALL function to CTRL-F through the thread for a certain players posts? I have done it dozens of times so far, and will continue to do it dozens more before i die(hopefully more than ~12hrs from now). I suggest everyone else do the same. ... >_< This tactic won me over so quick I'm embarrased. I won't trust people who flatter me anymore I guess. Although IT WAS GOOD ADVICE AND DAMN YOU TOWN FOR NOT LISTENING ;( May I ask why I got shivved so quick? reasoning? Was it an attempted blue snipe, or just unlikely medic target, or wifom-generator, or what? Dr.H had a good analysis on annul, and a good analysis on radfield. I'm not sure what went wrong with youngminii... I was shocked when he flipped blue. Looking forward to seeing another analysis on his play sometime. | ||
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