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Hey guys,
I wanted to take the time to send you a quick message about the impromptu Live on Three last night at the MLG Dallas after party. A quick disclaimer: I am not an avid watcher of your this show. I've seen it once or twice but most of my familiarity with it is through reference when watching djWheat cast sc2 Matches with others. In that respect I hope I am not commenting on something that has been addressed previously. I apologize if I am and go ahead and close the thread.
That being said I want to comment on the etiquette of last night's cast. The majority of the cast was wonderful to watch. I loved your conversations with the player post wins/losses, getting the inside perspective and knowing more of the behind the scenes of the tournament.
However, it is the last few minutes of the cast that I want to address. You guys need to be very, very, very careful. Slasher's (I believe that's who it was, the guy on the left) at the end of the video and his tone changed very quickly from professional annalist to party boy. Screaming at people coming into the room, making jokes about blow jobs (in graphic detail) and being boisterous about the abnormality of a female in the community is not only a great way to alienate the "non-party-boy" fan base, but also a great way to incur an attitude about e-sports and a whole.
The after party cast is a wonderful place to get all the positive aspects mentioned above, but I think it is imperative that you casters/annalists do not forget that you are the public spotlight of the future of Starcraft 2 in North America. If you want this to succeed as a whole, these two attitudes need to be kept in separate realms, that being personal and professional. Perhaps the after party is not the place to do a cast in the future. Perhaps to find another room that is not directly in contact to party where you can bring the players, team owners and organizers to do the interviews is a better way to bring the scene to the fans. I'm not sure. However, it does concern me that it got out of hand so quickly, especially that it did so on a live cast and the later-viewed VODs.
I do want to thank you all for your hard work. I just do not want to see it undone because of stupid mistakes. If there's anything that can be taken from conventional sports in this situation, it is that people in the public eye are held to a different standard. This may not be fair but it is a reality. Thank you for your time.
Fan and supporter
~Anselm
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If a non-fanboy actually sat through all two hours of that horrible din I will eat every hat in the entire universe.
They turned on a webcam in the hotel room they were drinking at. It wasn't an official cast by MLG or any other organization.
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Did this happen after the JP interview? I turned it off at that point thinking it was over. I don't remember some of the stuff you're talking about. But I was really concentrating on the interviewees at the time trying to hear what they were saying.
You really can't be too upset about a 3-4 hour live cast and interview show held in the middle of a huge party with beer pong being played in the background. Don't you kind of know what you're going to get at that point? How could you be surprised at boisterousness?
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There was nothing offensive during the last 10 mins. This thread should be locked.
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On November 08 2010 23:51 kojinshugi wrote:
If a non-fanboy actually sat through all two hours of that horrible din I will eat every hat in the entire universe.
They turned on a webcam in the hotel room they were drinking at. It wasn't an official cast by MLG or any other organization.
If you posted a video that DID relate to your job with said profanities and obscenities, what are the odds of you getting fired? He makes a good point. One of the biggest gripes about the e-sports scenes is that people don't take it seriously, "it's not a real job." Let's hold it to the same standards as we would any other job.
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Are you kidding me?! Haha. This was a total party version of Live on Three. Slasher usually annoys the crap out of me, but everything was in a super fun party environment last night. Absolutely nothing wrong with what they did. Everyone needs to decompress now and then. Those guys bust their ASSES during those events. Let them relax now and again. Otherwise what do you expect when they tell you they have people playing beer pong in the background!? Hahahah. Damn, I wish I was there!
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Your taking there party to seriously It was just for a laugh to turn the webcam on. In there private party they can get as drunk as they want and say what they want.
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Grow up? Why do people have to pretend not to know how to have fun to appease stuck up people?
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Why do ppl wanna bitch at ppl having fun and showing us the fun side of esports. You ever think they are all drunk so they might say random things and joke around. lighten up a lil we dont live n a perfect world tho some of the ppl on this site think we do when it comes to esports. Its gettin pretty old.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but they weren't getting paid anything for that after party 'cast', but just a fun stream. Therefore, they will just be themselves.
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Let's not get all uppity. I think many of us enjoy the tight knit atmosphere of e-sports and the fact that they would let us into their party/celebration was awesome. I enjoyed every minute of it. Let's not act like e-sports is at a point where this is going to get on ESPN and ruin someone's career. I think we should all enjoy the early stages that e-sports is in right now and take advantage of the perks it provides us to be a part of that.
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I couldn't agree LESS. Having fun and being personable are fundamental elements to a good SC2 production and I think that guy's behavior was hilarious and entertaining.
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That was on their own time for their fans. Kudo's to them. You shouldn't be looking for people to back you on this. They do not have to be professional 24/7, if anything I like that they can be brought down to Earth and looked at like just regular guys.
Ty Wheat and the rest of the lo3 crew.
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Thought it was awesome. Let us know a more personal side to the pros and casters.
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wow, come on man. we are lucky to be able to listen to these guys in such a candid atmosphere, are you in favor of a world where they hide the truth and sugar coat everything in order to not possibly offend someone? I'm sure not... This is the whole motto of the show (no fluff), which you of course conveniently mention that you're not familiar with the show so I'm not sure that you can ask to have it changed..
I wouldn't say this was exactly a public facing thing. TL is a close knit community and not the public face of MLG or StarCraft 2.
Please please please, Lo3 guys don't take this to heart. Of course there are things that shouldn't be shown to everyone but you guys are well aware of that and nothing shown last night fell into that category. As Scoots said, on Live on Three, "we are all adults here."
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Thats the nature of Lo3, "programing without the fluff". They don't censor themselves a lot on the show and letting them speak their minds without the bullshit is why the show can be good sometimes.
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I read your post and all I saw was: I WANT MORE FLUFF.
If you're wanting fluff, you won't get it from DJ Wheat and crew! This is the real deal!
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~Anselm....
Frankly I'm shocked...
What DJWheat was giving people was a back stage pass to the 'afterparty' for MLG.
He wasn't casting a turny, he wasn't booking interviews, though you may be been confused becuase people were actually be interviewed. What he was doing to giving the fans that couldn't be in Dallas a chance to hang with the boys at the afterparty and ask all the question you might if you were there.
That is stright up fucking awesome (insert boob, and or joke lowering the standards of sc community here).
Please take a second to relax and sit back. This wasn't a frat party. It was... guys who just worked there ass of for weeks/months, celebrating the end of a big event (that you're a huge fan of) and DJWheat put a camera in the room.
if you don't want to watch drunk people be drunk... turn it off, but really think about the near unprecidented access you were just given before you complain that someone drunk... acted drunk. Also ... chill out a bit, you don't have be a fat boy jock to enjoy a couple of beers and shoot the shit.
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Esports = no fun allowed.
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Just to comment on a few things then I'll shut up. I completely and totally love that there are more laid back scenes that are part of Starcraft 2. However, have a laid back atmosphere does not mean that anything goes. There are still lines that can be crossed and I would guess that that line starts somewhere around saying something that could very easily be used in a sexual harassment law suit.
Again, I love the relaxed feel of things like SoTG. I don't watch Live on Three regularly so I don't know how it usually is. Hearing players joke with each other is one thing but again, that does not mean anything and everything that happens in private is okay to post in a cast.
Edit: All I'm talking about is the last minute or two of the cast. Everything up to that point, I thought was awesome. I suspect the cameras were turned off just in time though.
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