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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 19 2010 06:34 GMT
#7
I want /in
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 20 2010 06:07 GMT
#34
day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.

don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.

the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.

I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 20 2010 07:08 GMT
#39
On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.

don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.

the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.

I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear

lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL

i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica

the only player i don't know is lol1221 and i'm assuming it's korynne or dreamflower smurfing.

also i wanted to say this to the town and this is the perfect time to do so:
don't lynch people for defending other players. note in haunted mafia how veldril barely defended masq (which is reasonable cause day 1 lynch is a crapshoot anyhow) and then ended up getting lynched for it.

the way mafia defend other mafia is by attacking the accuser, not by actually defending.

nice chainsaw defense
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 20 2010 20:46 GMT
#46
On October 20 2010 20:18 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 18:06 Coagulation wrote:
On October 20 2010 17:40 NB wrote:
On October 20 2010 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote:
On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.

don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.

the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.

I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear

lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL

i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica

the only player i don't know is lol1221 and i'm assuming it's korynne or dreamflower smurfing.

also i wanted to say this to the town and this is the perfect time to do so:
don't lynch people for defending other players. note in haunted mafia how veldril barely defended masq (which is reasonable cause day 1 lynch is a crapshoot anyhow) and then ended up getting lynched for it.

the way mafia defend other mafia is by attacking the accuser, not by actually defending.

nice chainsaw defense

no, the good lesson is DO NOT PROTECT ANYONE =))... the fact that veldril should be lynched was created by me while i was the god-father xD (after masq died)....


Do not protect anyone? That seems like a very anti town attitude to me..

cmon man, you all see what happened to veldril -.-... i mean u obviously should defends yourself but otherwise you would be consider as having a "teammate" and got lynch with him....
also how is it anti town? So stand out and protect a mafia is supporting town?


This is true also. Really there is no reason to be defensive of other people since as a townie you have no idea who is mafia and who isn't. Mafia are the only players who are sure of an opposing players alignment.

Town need to aggressively scumhunt. There is no reason to play a defensive game as town since a town member has nothing to be defensive about. Mafia naturally play defensively and try to emphasize what is "pro-town" or not because they feel guilty.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 20 2010 22:31 GMT
#51
On October 21 2010 07:08 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2010 06:53 Qatol wrote:
On October 21 2010 05:59 LSB wrote:
On October 21 2010 05:46 Pandain wrote:
So, mafia don't kill at night(so no night?) Just townies? But then why roleblocker...I'm confuzzled.

Also, no one votes my SFA member.
##Vote Dr. H

The Mafia and Blue roles submit thier 'night actions' during the day (before voting ends)

Night lasts essentially 1 second after the lynch. The roleblocker is to prevent DT or Medic action if it exists

Basically LSB didn't want the whole game to have to wait 24 hours for 4 people to send in a PM. Therefore, he has them send in their actions during the day (with allowances for what happens during said day - hence allowing contingent actions) and resolves the actions as desired when the day ends. Then he makes the day post again immediately and thus removes some of the waiting time from the game.

so there are 2 blues only :<???

btw: hey, pandain is in his game xD


We have no way of knowing. The role set-up is a secret. There might not even be a DT in this game at all.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 20 2010 22:32 GMT
#52
On October 20 2010 19:57 drag_ wrote:
Day 1 usually is pretty random, but I don't see the point in voting now as you never know when some info might come up.

because you can change your vote

the whole point of the RNG voting stage is to put pressure on randoms and see if they incriminate themselves.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 21 2010 01:37 GMT
#62
On October 21 2010 10:30 Pandain wrote:
Guys this is still like a regular game. Keep in mind that albeit the amount of people are smaller, so is the amount of mafia. Let's take a look.

Town mislynches townie, then mafia shoots townie.
7v2
Next day and night
5v2
Next day and night
3v2

SO EVEN IF WE MISLYNCH THREE TIMES WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE, albeit we have a greater chance of mafia manipulation with each chance. So we don't really have to do a random lynch, like Dr. H says. That's part of the reason I'm voting for him, and am suscipcious that he wants to destroy a (semi, at least) vet player so easily.

way to misunderstand what i'm saying

on day 1 town does not have enough information to pin down a mafia. people don't really have much to argue about, voting records are sparse, and there is just not enough content for real scumhunting to take place. it's a crapshoot. day 1 votes are always a crapshoot. do you really honestly think town has a great chance of catching mafia on day 1? if so that is the dumbest thing anyone has said to me in a mafia game.

random voting, in the beginning, creates a discussion and increases the chance of successful scumhunting as people feel the need to defend themselves if they are voted for.

also i have no intention of destroying brownbear lol wtf. i'm voting for him to force him to talk. i picked his name at random. hence RNG vote.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 21 2010 05:28 GMT
#77
On October 21 2010 13:54 jodogohoo wrote:
I guess I am expandable.. well... if I can contribute anyway to the town.. I guess this is the best i can do.

Thus, I shall take pride in my noble sacrifice. And wish the rest of you men staying behind to fight the war good luck.

That's your defense?

"Ok guys kill me sorry"

Why are you sacrificing yourself this early in the game?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 21 2010 05:29 GMT
#78
On October 21 2010 13:44 Coagulation wrote:
[VOTE]##Jodogohoo

He voted me Earlier
so im voting him back.

OMGUS is a classic scumtell. You're bad at this game so I doubt you're mafia based on that alone but I'd avoid it in the future if I were you
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 21 2010 07:41 GMT
#83
On October 21 2010 16:23 NB wrote:
jodogohoo got mafia ban?....

need an explanation on DrH latest post ~_~... how does that make him scum @_@... excuse me for being noob T_T

I think he's just bad, he did it in the last game. but this is typically a scumtell and newer players should be aware of it:

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Oh_My_God_You_Suck

Scum use it to bandwagon without having a real reason for it, but it simply is not a good reason to vote someone. The point is to find and kill mafia, not to kill people who put pressure on you or suspect you of being mafia. It's defense via offense.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 21 2010 08:27 GMT
#86
On October 21 2010 16:41 Coagulation wrote:
and randomly picking a person to vote for is a better reason how???

the rationale of rng vote is:
1. put pressure on people and force them to talk
2. there is really no better way to lynch on the first day without clues/elections

the omgus vote is worthless. it doesn't pressure the person you vote for at all and it makes you look scummy especially later in the game when there are multiple bandwagons

i'm not calling you mafia but you voted the same way in the last game as well and it's just a bad way to respond to pressure

like i said the point of the game is to find mafia, not kill people who pressure you. the only reason you would want to kill someone for pressuring you was if you were mafia, that's why the OMGUS is scummy.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 21 2010 20:52 GMT
#90
On October 22 2010 01:07 Pandain wrote:
##Vote Dr. H


pressure gogogogogogo

Pandas dont have the right to vote in this country
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 21 2010 23:37 GMT
#100
On October 22 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote:
Sigh... looks like I'm going to be lynched.

In the future, remember that RNG votes are rarely followed through with for a reason. You have a 2 in 9 chance of catching a mafia in this game (usually it's 1 in 5 or thereabouts in larger games), and it's rare that you get lucky.


This is correct. But the RNG voting stage isn't about turning out an RNG lynch. Day 1 voting is a crapshoot there is really nothing else to do.

That's why I like games with clues personally.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 21 2010 23:38 GMT
#101
unvote BrownBear
[vote]##Vote jodogohoo
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 22 2010 01:41 GMT
#112
On October 22 2010 09:48 lol1221 wrote:
hmm i probably would be wrong since i am new but at this point it seems like jodogohoo is not mafia??

this is like what, 7 people voted on him? no one seemed to have attacked anyone who started or joined the jodogohoo bandwagon, meaning the mafias probably knew that he's a townie so it would be for their benefit to kill jodogohoo...this logic could be turned over if the the mafia is trying to hold back the frustration of losing a teammate but the chance is that seems pretty low since there was hardly ANY objection in the vote (don't get me wrong, i am not the mafia trying to convince people to change votes, it's like last minute already)

just explaining how i viewed this bandwagon and stuff, noob @_@

all day 1 votes are pretty much pointless. it's better to lynch a bad player like jodogohoo than someone like brownbear who has some experience.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 22 2010 02:44 GMT
#118
On October 22 2010 11:20 Coagulation wrote:
There are 5 people who are possible reds


DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul

But not you right?

Day 1 voting is a crapshoot. Voting for jodogohoo isn't suspicious at all. Good luck catching mafia on the first day in any game. :/

What is more interesting is the fact that mafia killed lol1221 rather than an experienced player like BrownBear or myself. I don't want to talk about mafias reasoning because it's pointless and devolves into WIFOM.

For now I'll vote for Drag_ and see how he responds.

[Vote]##drag_
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 22 2010 04:15 GMT
#120
On October 22 2010 11:53 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 22 2010 11:20 Coagulation wrote:
There are 5 people who are possible reds


DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul

But not you right?



[Vote]##drag_


yes and not pandain

medics protect me.

lol i'd love to hear your logic on how neither you or pandain could possibly be mafia
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 22 2010 05:49 GMT
#124
On October 22 2010 14:18 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2010 13:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 22 2010 11:53 Coagulation wrote:
On October 22 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 22 2010 11:20 Coagulation wrote:
There are 5 people who are possible reds


DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul

But not you right?



[Vote]##drag_


yes and not pandain

medics protect me.

lol i'd love to hear your logic on how neither you or pandain could possibly be mafia






Trust me I will go down in history as most honest mafia player ever mark my words.
it may get me killed in the process but if it will reveal information then it is worth it.


great logic

if pandain was your scumbuddy no doubt he'd be raging at you for posting stuff this dumb so I'm pretty sure you're town

but try to make sense in the future
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 22 2010 06:19 GMT
#127
On October 22 2010 15:07 NB wrote:
sr guys but Coag and Dr.H are kissing each other ass...
and what is the reason to lynch an afk player again? we are allowed to "miss lynch" 3 times or so but that doesnt mean we should random lynching people like that ~_~

omg

day 1 vote is a crapshoot there is almost NO way to pinpoint mafia on first day. basically none.

I'm not voting for drag_ to lynch him but force him to respond, he's barely posted in this thread at all. I'd vote for coagulation for shitting up the thread but I'm pretty sure he is town and since the game is so small I don't want to kill any townies here.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 22 2010 06:20 GMT
#128
On October 22 2010 15:11 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
For now I'll vote for Drag_ and see how he responds.


looks like someone responding for him.

what does that even mean?

you are aware posting lots of vague useless bullshit with no explanation doesn't help us right? that's all you've been doing this game
RIP Aaliyah
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