Insane Mafia

On October 31 2010 12:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
SUP ALL!

Going to start reading now O_O!

On November 03 2010 15:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I am trying to catch up a bit right now since I will be working and going to class a lot for the next 3 days so I want to try to actually help a little bit first. But I am a little far behind.

First I am on around page 75 right after the second day post where the mafia did their first actual kills. There are a couple of things I read which still are apparently unspecified.

If I understand correctly apparently the mafia kill people and their is also a separate disease called murrayitis that runs around and kills townies.

Apparently the Day post also references peoples roles and powers and DrH claims his power is to poke people and if you DON'T get a PM back it means they are not sick. If you were role blocked (Which from what i read it seems like you think you were)

This is supposed to reference annul iirc which means if you supposedly poked someone this could of been them. You didn't necessarily have to be role blocked. On another note since this game also has insane roles the bus driver is extremely likely. If the Bus driver switched Annul with whoever your poke target was you still would of not gotten a PM back and you could of poked Annul instead. Either that or there is more than one player who has a role such as yours where they can poke people. I would say this because It says other people meaning more than one, which would mean there might even be more than two of your role just because I don't see the odds of two people poking the same person as incredibly high unless there is some sort of role checking ability as well and some increased incentive to do so.

For an example of a situation like that. Lets say I am a really suspicious player for whatever reason, or I am for some reason a player who warrants a role check and a bus driver doesn't want that going through or wants it yielding misleading information it can be switched. If two of you did that on a certain player and it got bus'd you wouldn't have any idea that it happened since your role doesn't involve any response PM.

What I am interested to know is IF there was hypothetically a bus driver (since the mods seem to like to be difficult) and X Role checked Y and the BD switched Y with Z would X receive a PM saying the alignment of the player they thought they checked or who they actually checked? To clarify would it say "You checked Y and they came back town" or "You checked Z and they came back town" even though you checked Y it tells you that you actually checked Z?

On November 03 2010 15:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Yeah, I dunno there is a lot to think about. I was mainly focusing on the idea that the target of the poke could of been bus'd instead of role blocked, or it could of just went through. There is just so many trivial things in this game its hard to rule anything out.

I swear I really enjoy this set up I just really wish that I was here since the beginning. With all the work I have to do it makes it really hard to try to keep up with the thread which gets another 20 pages every time I refresh. I also can't skim read because there is so much important stuff that happened that I am so far behind.

Its very demotivating :/ but I will try anyway. I just read the post by DrH recently where he talks about getting role blocked and I just wanted to bring up some obvious possibilities that he could of easily been bus'd because he made a pretty large jump on page 75ish which from a recent post (maybe 5 pages ago?) he apparently still stuck with.

I haven't really formed much of an opinion on anyone, but for such a good player it seems like a glaring oversight. It really sucks I have to sleep soon though, I actually fine this game to be the most interesting one I have played in in a long time. Reminds me of the olden days before the massive amount of F11 lamer set-ups.

On November 03 2010 16:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
PMing was kind pf shitty when i was a newcomer i felt like i was in the middle of two clashing sides and left in the dark. The games sucked unless you knew people. Which until i was mafia for the first time i didn't.

On November 03 2010 17:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

I think I must of confused a post from the 70's when I was reading the current pages. I thought you mentioned being role blocked again since the last day post but I seem to be wrong. God this game is fucking confusing. But specifically the post I was referring to in regards to your actions and my thoughts on the possibility of a BD were referencing the second day post where that precursor post to annul's death indicates someone getting poked by "people" indicating more than one person.

So I was trying to theorize what could of transpired as opposed to you getting role blocked which would also explain the multiple pokes on a single individual, assuming that paragraph was actually referring to the power of poking that you and possibly others have. Although I guess assuming prod referred to poke was a gambit in itself, but it seemed like a safe wager.

On November 04 2010 15:03 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Just going to respond to this since I am reading from the last day post.
I had a lot to do the last few days and today after around 5pm my activity is going to increase a lot. So I doubt my inactivity will be an issue for much longer. I had a lot of midterms to prepare for and had to go to work and make sure our store was perfect for some gay visit we have tomorrow/today whatever which we have been doing for the last 3-4 days.

Anyway from what I read coag is getting it, and we are voting double lynch so I will get on that to make sure we have the majority.

On November 04 2010 15:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
EBWOP: And yes I subbed in for another player, but I forgot who.

On November 06 2010 04:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I meant to post this last night, but I had to go out with gf and she wouldn't wait
There is no reason to not vote for coagulation right now, its better to get one definite mafia right now and focus on "suspects" later. Coagulation and Pandain are both good targets and even if it cost us a hatter bomb the fact that its a guaranteed mafia kill makes it worthwhile so hopefully it will effect their KP. Coagulation is the best lynch candidate right now, and I am pretty sure the mafia must of just fuck it, throw him under a bus because there is so little actual defense against him. If I had to guess I'd say coagulation implicated enough of the mafia team already and they don't want to risk more to try and save him.

So there being no counter arguments isn't surprising. Although its interesting how pandain is being rather mundane now.

Also L, vote you noob.

On November 06 2010 05:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Just to be clear I don't buy this shit Pandain. You get raped by DrH who sees the connection between you and Coagulation and all of a sudden you claim Trash Collector?

Trash Collector? Really? Was there ever an easier mafia cover? The role that randomly alignment checks people. Pretty easy to fake when you know that there are two alignments and you know all the reds. Its the most convenient role to possibly claim, as far as I am concerned that combined with your desire for a check you are most likely the godfather. I would do an analysis but there was an awesome one by DrH a few pages back, but I don't think anyone pointed out how the role you claimed fits perfectly in with mafia.

I would usually hesitate to kill a potential DT for our side but in this case I would make an exception just because of how overwhelming the evidence is. Unless something crazy happens it is really looking like you and hyperbola are up next to get the axe.

Also did anyone find it funny that hyperbola was apparently inactive for 2 days then as soon as he is accused was right there to defend himself? It reaks of lurking which is generally a mafia or blue trait. In this case since everyone is blue, i'd dare say that would make the choice obvious.

On November 06 2010 13:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright about this DrH shit lets settle if he is legit confirmed, because I think you are misunderstanding how Lexpar's role works.

His role commits suicide if he protects a mafia, but how would he know the role was a mafia? If I had to guess, I would say his role commits suicide upon a mafia flipping who he had protected. Let's say Lexpar protected Coagulation and he hadn't been modkileld. When Coagulation flipped red THEN he would commit suicide, not right after he protected Coagulation. The reason I argue this is because lets say hypothetically Lexpar would of role checked a godfather, would he die instantly? If he would this would in a sense confirm a role as mafia which shouldn't be able to get confirmed under any condition.

I am posing this question not just as a statement but as a question to the moderator. For Lexpar's suicide to activate, would the mafia have to be flipped by either a lynch or a night kill on the mafia?

I don't like hearing people shouting about 100% innocent unless we have a real reason to think it. Besides that I have no fucking idea what you think you are doing DrH, why would you completely back off Pandain? It just doesn't make sense for you to go after two targets who are much less suspicious then Pandain for so many reasons. I don't see why you would think infinitestory would sacrifice coagulation so randomly, it is a really ballsy mafia move but usually it is done with some reason.

You are being stupid in this respect. We should question his claim further after his next check. The reason I say this is because what you said has a moderate amount of merit, but not enough. The reason I say that is because his first check is something that he wouldn't need to justify with a role description, but his second claim is. The other reason I would mark this inconsistent is because he can't expect to keep "faking" this role unless he is outing MORE of his mafia members, or if he is some sort of mafia detective. Which in this game type doesn't seem completely unfeasible, but you haven't presented that as a possibility.

On November 06 2010 14:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I could be reading too much into wording but I was focusing on the doctor being consumed with guilt.
He shouldn't be consumed by guilt unless he knows hes mafia, so therefore it should require a flip or a rolechecking ability. I could of read too much into it but it was worth posing as a mod question.

On November 07 2010 13:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
While I still hold Pandain as a good suspect right now for at least one of our two lynches I feel a little more iffy towards him now. One of the reasons is because of the hits tonight, the reason being is that with DrH dead it kind of points the finger to continue ramming pandain, but I feel like it could have a secondary underdone of waving off hyperbola's accusation by DrH.

If you follow the logic it is that killing drh seems like a good move to throw us off our game and make us lynch pandain, because without the information we have today from KtheZ role claiming insane mafia pandain looks extremely bad. But then KtheZ confirms that pandain is the role he said he was which makes us look at what else DrH said, not just the surface people who he was targeting. Hyperbola is someone who he brought up very few times but with a high level of conviction in his voice meaning that when it came to today the two lynches he would of most likely proposed had he been alive would of been Pandain and Hyperbola, but we only really talked about Pandain, hyperbola was kind of left up in the air. I think the mafia killing DrH was hoping to accomplish several things. One, it kills off a 100% confirmed blue. Two, it destabilizes the town and makes us regain our footing. Three, it casts heavy doubt on pandain (if you don't take into account the insane DT check) which would overshadow Hyperbola.

I think this may have been a move to try to put a lot more focus on Pandain then we would of originally had to try to hide hyperbola under a sea of shit. I don't think we should let that get away, although until I see some better targets I am still inclined to vote for both Pandain and Hyperbola, although with the insane Dt check and the aforementioned situation I am not as much inclined to kill pandain, but if no better target presents itself I don't consider the loss of a trash collector that monumental to where we should kill someone we are less sure of.

On November 07 2010 13:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
EBWOP: Also I think we should vote double lynch again. I think tomorrow we are going to have a lot better candidates with our information and I don't want to hit a situation where we wish we had that extra KP. It is Day 5 and I don't think this will really go past day 7 at this rate. At least with the mafia KP still being 2+1.