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On October 29 2010 10:43 Misder wrote: So I only heard from DH about the mass roleclaiming idea. To me, I feel that its more advantagious to the town than it is disadvantagious, but I want to hear from more of you guys about it. I think I've missed his post, but do NOT mass role claim. There is no role list in this game, so there are plenty of room for fake roles. In case of mass role claim, the real beneficiary here is the Mafia. If what you say is true, we have to look at DH more, as he definitely knows better. | ||
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I'm still debating whether I should run for Mayor or not, as I DO have something to offer. If I do, this will be the first time I've run for Mayor since I started playing. | ||
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On October 29 2010 13:02 Pandain wrote: No one should role claim. The answer is obvious, the disadvantages far outweigh the advantages. For example, let's look at it from several ways. Pros and cons: Pros: -MIGHT find mafia -they can't change later -coordinate blues possibly Cons: Mafia can snipe off blues. Mafia can fake roleclaim easily. With no pms, it'll be hard to coordinate anyway. Now let's take a look at it in real circumstances. We mass roleclaim. Mafia roleclaim just some stuff, pick random generic roles(or just copy from what they see townies doing). The only way we can find out who's who is by checking with dt's. Unfortunately, we've already revealed them. So it'll be like the same, except medics know who to protect, but mafia also know who to shoot(medics/dts.) Basically they'll just snipe us off one by one, and at best they'll go through medics, and then go th rough us. If we're going to roleclaim at all, it should only be like one person at a time, in certain circumstances when you feel it will be EXTREMELY beneficial to the town. Be very cautious if you are thinking about roleclaiming, think: "Do you need to?" Not directly replying to your post. Just saying if I were Mayor, there will be coordination. | ||
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I will be running for Mayor. - I'm a part of a circle, which its members are allowed to PM each other. - This circle consists of 6 players. - Every member knows who is in this circle. - All member does not know each others role - All member does not know each others alignment, whether Town or Mafia. - There is a possibility that there is/are Mafia in this circle. If I'm elected as Mayor, I'll be having the other 5 members role claim to me and the first step of coordination will start from there. We will have starting point. You might ask, why does it have to be me to become Mayor, and not someone else from the circle? Well, my role is critical to this circle, that is all I can say for now. Like mentioned in a previous post, I've never bothered to run for Mayor in any of my previous games, but this time, it's a little bit different. I'm running Mayor for the protection, to be able to give town a head start without worrying of getting killed the other day, at the same time utilizing our circle's power to a greater potential. Then there will be the second question, what if I'm Mafia? Well, this can also apply to any other candidates that are currently running for Mayor. The fact that I'm openly sharing this piece of critical information above, already shows my motives are pro-town. Mafia would never announce that they are in a circle this early in the game, and would try to squeeze every piece of information they can get within. It is also very likely that there will be at least one Mafia within this circle, which means the entire Mafia team would know about the circle's existence. The only group left in the dark would be the rest of the Town, had I not come out and make this announcement. Worst case scenario, I did not get elected, and Mafia kills me the next day; My role flips and everyone knows I wasn't lying. Even if the circle takes a huge hit, the Town as a whole would at least be aware of this other situation. Once again, I am running for Mayor. If I win, I will be role claiming right away. | ||
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No flare, no gimmicks. Just reason. | ||
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On October 29 2010 13:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote: interesting claim fishball is this like the masons who are a group that can talk through pms and nothing else or do you have an additional power that comes with this? Like mentioned in my post: - All member does not know each others role Which means, on top of the ability that we can PM each other, we all have our "real" roles. PM within this group is a secondary ability. | ||
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On October 29 2010 13:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I see. That is very interesting. Artanis did mention the possibility of there being several factions that can talk to eachother. I'm not really sure why mafia wouldn't come out and claim this early on if they were part of this additional group. I can see why it's a pro-town thing to do, to establish the town circle, but mafia could benefit immensely from having the control/leadership position in this case. Correct me if I'm wrong? If I were Mafia, I would try to fish out the roles of each members, or any sort of information within the circle. But you're right, there is still the possibility of Mafia coming out and try to aim for the Mayor's voting power and extra cushion of protection. | ||
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On October 29 2010 14:02 LunarDestiny wrote: Fishball, I hope you are not bsing and fucking with us. If what Fishball said is true, then Artanis is the one fucking with us. Then this game is indeed insane. Back to topic, I don't think we should vote Fishball as mayor because making him as mayor does not benefit the town since his "supposely dt role mentioned by jcarlsoniv" does not help him use mayor's first day lynch ability. Furthermore, it is dangerous to have the other 5 members role claim to him. What if he is a mafia then there goes our 5 blue roles. The counter argument to voting for Fishball is he is experienced. Assuming the town circle thing is true, he also mention the circle got six members which I predict that there is 1 or 0 mafia in it. The ratio of 0/6 or 1/6 is less than the ratio 9/39 (number of mafia over number of players). I actually asked Artanis a crap load of questions and thought about it for a while before coming out. From one of my questions, I asked if there are any other groups like us. Artanis did not deny or confirm... so there you go, this might get even insane"r" | ||
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On October 29 2010 13:56 orgolove wrote: Hmm, he does have quite a bit of experience - he played in the very first mafia, since 2008.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67133¤tpage=6#113 Actually, this is the first game, ran by Chuiu  http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=66251 | ||
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On October 29 2010 14:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Correct, but I don't see how claiming you're part of the circle prevents you from doing that. It does welcome a lot more scrutiny upon yourself that would be undesired if you were mafia trying to ruin the town circle. I'm torn, but I guess I'd rather have someone protected that is in some sort of circle than a mayor who can't really give us much information/coordinate anything. That is pretty much my story right there. The only reason I'm running for Mayor, as mentioned, is for protection. Nothing would work if I die the other day, as there is a possibility of Mafia within the circle. I already mentioned Bum and Pandain isn't bringing much to the table, I promised I would. I cannot prove that I am Town. Nobody can; But I can try to convince. So ask yourself two questions. - Which scenario would provide the town more information? - Which candidate is most likely to be Town aligned? You have your answer. | ||
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On October 29 2010 16:55 Ace wrote: Well it's not only a question of whether he is good or not. Fishball admits that his circle has 6 players that do not know each other's alignment. So instead of figuring out who is possibly Scum in his circle he runs for Mayor because his role is too important? Actually, that is exactly what I will be doing, to figure out who could be scum in the group, if there are any at all. Everyone has no information whatsoever for now, but that will be the starting point. On October 29 2010 16:55 Ace wrote:??? In that case why not ask for medic protection, or at the very least propose a good plan that would warrant you getting Mayor votes. You're entire platform comes down to a pretty weak reason and on top of that several players already jumped at the chance to vote for you off of that. Now I doubt all of them are that ridiculously dumb to: 1.) be in your circle and trust that you are innocent so early in the game 2.) Not think 1 step ahead and realize that if they are indeed part of your circle then it may not be the smartest idea to immediately out themselves 3.) Lastly if there are other factions that can talk to each other, then Fishball's circle may not even be a town circle. So now these players need to explain how they are so trustworthy of Fishball so fast. There can't BE a circle if Fishball already knows that all the member's do not know each other's alignment. You wouldn't believe this but people lie about giving you information after you do something for them. See any game with a Scum Mayor. Secondly if Fishball lies about his role claim and we have no role list then how will we know? You can't. It's posts like this that I'm talking about. You buy Fishball's story with no explanation even though nothing about his claim can be proven. I never said I had a Town circle. In fact, I never used the words "town" and "circle" together. I listed everything in detail, and tried not to cause any deception. When I got my role, I immediately started thinking, what can I do with it? We have a premade circle and some of us have already started talking. As mentioned before, my role is critical to the circle, and of course, the other players don't know my role. I can still come out publicly and ask for Medic protection instead, but god knows how Medic's work in this game, plus there are usually work around with medic protection (roleblocker or the likes). The best way for protection is Mayor's bodyguard, and the only way I can die is if infected by the virus. That, or being lynched. | ||
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On October 29 2010 18:08 bumatlarge wrote: The fact that fishball came out a little late on this is weird, what was he waiting for? Maybe he was talking with his posse? ...I'm deliberating whether we should all claim whether or not we are in this circle or not to at least root out that... though 6 is an easy number to check, wouldn't see it relevant number to choose unless he would handpick from his scumbuddies if he secured himself. Wondering if I should just stick with my thing. Just let me get one thing straight. I received my role PM's when I got home after work around 5pm mountain time. I posted my announcement around 10-11pm. That's 5-6 hours of "thinking" time. How can you call this late? Especially when we have 48 hours to vote for a mayor, and the majority of players haven't even checked in yet, let alone vote. | ||
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On October 29 2010 20:42 Coagulation wrote: ok i understand what your saying but there is still a higher chance of mafia gaining influence through fishball being elected as mayor isnt his "circle" about as relevant as the general town circle at this point? considering he has no idea what the alignment of his circle members are. also we have no idea if he even has a circle. is there even a way we can verify this before the vote?? It just seems to me like an unnecessary security breach for mayor. why risk voting up to 7 scum into power when we can play the odds and take a much safer route of voting 1. I DO NOT HAVE A TOWN CIRCLE. Where the hell does this come from? Since after Ace starting using this term. I repeat, we have a pre-made CIRCLE. People in this circle DOES NOT KNOW each other's role or alignment. | ||
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On October 30 2010 00:07 Coagulation wrote: How about instead of blowing up about imaginary references to your CIRCLE in my post you answer the question that you completely avoided. why would we want to risk a chance of 7 people possibly being scum manipulating town with mayor when we can go with the much safer odds of only 1 person possibly being scum. I'm at work. I answer what I can given the time that I have, but I have always come back and address the rest. This is not dodging. People who have played with me in previous games will know. I think you meant 6 people, as I said there are only 6 people in this group. Now why would Mafia include 6 of their 9 buddies in this circle? Why 6? Not 3, not 4, but 6? Assume what you say is true, all 6 of us are Mafia, how exactly would we "manipulate" town? What stops the other solo Mayor and his "non-circle" buddies to manipulate town? Different scenario, but the outcome can very well be the same. Everyone can debate about the "truth", but no one can argue about that fact that I did offer information, and I want/need protection. With me being Mayor, doesn't make me a dictator. I still need the help of the town to provide valuable input. | ||
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On October 30 2010 01:38 Pandain wrote: but keep in mind your not exactly ver/flamewheel. flamewheel doesn't exactly play... | ||
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On October 30 2010 00:22 Nemesis wrote: To Fishball: It is so easy to make up a role that would make it seem worth it for you to be mayor. Besides, I am more interested in having a mayor with good analytical thinking rather than because of their role. For example, a dt for mayor would be bad if the dt doesn't know what he's doing and just randomly checks people and actually doesn't catch any red. To annul: You might have played great in the Haunted Mafia, but you have not shown as your skills playing as a townie. Playing while knowing a lot of information from the start is different from starting out with no information and I have yet to see that you are good at that. Regarding the "analytical thinking" part, you can check my previous games and judge for yourself. | ||
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On October 30 2010 01:55 Coagulation wrote: im not saying there are 6 mafia in your circle as opposed to any other number im just saying there are 6 ''chances'' that mafia are in your circle as opposed to there only being 1 chance of a mafia getting voted in as mayor if we elect someone outside your circle. there are alot of scenarios obviously that can play out but i just want everyone to understand that there is an added risk to you being mayor. as for whether your ability as mayor + your plan with your circle outweigh those risk's is up for debate. my problem is this. If we elect you as mayor.. you will have communications with people outside of this thread(pm) that will influence the game and could be extremely vital to scum hunting. I would rather have a mayor that has transparency.. any communications he makes will be public so we can keep an eye on him. I'm open to all that's for sure. Transparency is one thing I was aiming for from the beginning, hence being upfront as much as I can. The only thing I'm asking for return is protection. Like I replied to Ace earlier, making the people in the circle claim, and "organize" from there would be my first step - scum hunting from within. I do not know whether or not will there be Mafia in my group, but if there is, sooner or later there will be slip ups. As an additional note, last night, I've already been in contact with 4 other members, and they all know I might be running for Mayor (It was before I officially announced my run). There is still one more player that I haven't been in contact with. | ||
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On October 30 2010 02:56 deconduo wrote: What we want in a mayor is activity (but not spamming), good thinking and experience. As was said before, I think bumatlarge is the best candidate. Pandain might be a good choice too, but the yum yum stuff does get on my nerves so I'm biased against him If you are just flat out comparing resumes, my resume should top these two. | ||
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