Insane Mafia

On October 30 2010 03:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:


But the thing is, if you have the ability to converse in secret, and you end up being a Mafia Mayor, we will have NO idea if anything is fishy. You could have them roleclaim, give them assignments, and what have you, but we will never know if you want to cover something up that goes on in PM land.

The Mayor is the most heavily watched, but the possibility of the Mayor hiding things scares me. Everything the Mayor does should be out in the open, nothing should be private.

On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game

On October 30 2010 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple.

we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle.

now imagine these scenarios:
neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia players
neutral circle 6 town aligned players
neutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia players

from a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists

the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue.

that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT

if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball

if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him.

On November 01 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote:
Well then we should kill Aeres and find out, no? ^_^

On November 01 2010 14:26 Ace wrote:


1 bodyguard announced.
Aeres claims bodyguard after DC's alleged soft claim.
Annul dies at night, revealed to be bodyguard.
DC says he never role claimed BG.
I point out in 3 ways that Aeres screwed up and had to be lying about the claim.
He then comes out and says he lied.

If you don't think he's Scum then show us someone even Scummier than he.

On November 01 2010 13:47 youngminii wrote:
You should see Pandain's style of play in other games. In almost every game as town he would pull this type of shit and get killed and flip town and cause mass confusion.

@jcarl: I understand what you mean by the town being very secure about me but there's not much they can do. As far as they can tell, I might be invincible and trying to kill me will do nothing. In any case, there's not really anything toooooo scummy about my (perceived) role imo.

On November 01 2010 20:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if I'm roleblocked every night then you'd have to trust me which is as good as anything other mayoral candidates offered and I'd be soaking up whatever roleblock power it was. we can only see what happens.

a DT could investigate me as well if that would add any security to anyones mind. there is not necessarily a godfather in this game and I'd be suspicious of players operating under the assumption hat the godfather exists particularly in a game where the godfather would have to make up a role for himself.

On November 02 2010 01:06 L wrote:
That's because Aeres is probably a hatter type role that wanted to get hit, so he claimed BG to draw attention to himself and away from more vulnerable/valuable players. He's likely not a VI role, because the revealed roles thusfar are relatively watered down and mafia started with 9 fucking members + there's aids going around (unless the game design is based around town's ability to use murrayitis as a shock and awe town controlled kp attack, which it doesn't seem to be).

The push to get him killed here is pretty understandable due to people loving LAL, but there's zero way someone would vote for themselves as mafia with the usual suspects driving a bus over him. Or rather that would hold unless there was a huge benefit to be gained from him dying. Either a mafia bomb type role (seems unlikely due to plague mechanics) or his death pushes another mafia member into a trusted position vis a vis the town where he can ask for roleclaims.

As for this Young/DrH/Pandain/Infinite circle of morons situation going on, there's a few things which just don't really add up; DrH campaigned on being able to 100% confirm himself and clearly lied about it. LAL should apply to him to, right?

Wrong.

DrH can still confirm himself, but he needs to die for it to happen. I'm not sure if DrH is fumbling for time as his ability gathers information which he'll confirm as valid with a self-kill, but it seems rather odd that young would try to focus attention onto Aeres and cite LAL when LAL can be applied to DrH too. This leads me to believe that DrH/Young are in a circle together, and DrH is feeding him information, which he'll, again, confirm by death.

No it can't because I didn't lie about anything. I don't need to die to confirm I only need to have a successful poke. :/

If it wasn't for that, based on the aeres situation, I'd suggest killing DrH immediately in order to find out what allegiance Aeres has. Aeres is either innocent or sacking himself to benefit another mafia member; there was no benefit to fakeclaiming BG of all roles. This is based on the fact that DrH stands to benefit the most from the diverted attention and post-lynch bragging rights if Aeres flips red.

There's some kind of intense attention-fu going on here to keep us discussing a certain set of facts, which leads me to believe that someone fucked up pretty hard and outed themselves earlier and we're actively being pushed away from that. Given that I kinda just read pages 10,20,30, etc until 80-92, I'm not entirely certain what's being thrown under the rug, but when I get more time and less women offering themselves to me, I'll be sure go over more material in search thereof.