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If we don't need to accuse, should we do so anyway in the thread to start a discussion? Also, I support the idea of non-random lynching. Random lynching has a greater chance of hitting blue or green instead of red. Random lynching also doesn't promote discussion which means there's less of a posting trail for later in the game. For non-random lynching, I suggest lynching a suspicious active instead of an inactive. Inactives could be simply bored by the Day1 stuff, but become really useful later. An example would be the recent RAM game where Xelin was inactive in the beginning, but found a mafia member on his first accusation. | ||
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I also agree with drag_ that kingjames is being a bit overaggressive. It's still early in the game. I believe it's too early for accusations... but that also makes it hard for me to decide who to vote. >_< | ||
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Don't agree to bandwagon onto a random vote Don't agree to use individual RNGs and votes If we bandwagon onto a random vote, how can we know if the person voting is or isn't mafia? If we use a RNG, how can we be sure Mafia isn't rigging the votes and using the RNG as an out? Also, once again, I'm against voting an inactive so early on because A. They could get modkilled. Do we want to waste a lynch? B. Does it put pressure on them if they can't see the votes due to a busy schedule? C. Inactives could be very helpful later on. D. Mafia hardly ever hides in inactives. Personally, I'll probably read through the voting thread later and see who votes what and let that influence my choice because I'm still new. xD Learning how a veteran votes could be helpful! | ||
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Then, of course, there's this huge gap between him posting the idea and them him posting again, but this time it's more about the smurf. Now, I don't understand why he needs a smurf, but having that smurf has really caused some chaos. People lately have been worrying much more over the smurf than discussing lynches and such. Also, it gave the opportunity for someone like Pandain to claim to be Protactinium. I'm guessing that was a joke... but come on. Having the risk of someone being able to claim smurf? I don't like it. =/ Finally, Bill Murray seems to be sure that he's a red. Unfortunately, I couldn't read over the whole mafia link he posted (no time Dx), but he has to have some reason to make such a strong claim. =/ He also cited a behavioral difference for it, but with the claim that he knows the smurf. Idk how much I can trust it, but I do see the smurf getting in the way of clear analysis again. =/ | ||
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Anyway, here's my thoughts on the possible suspects: Suspect List for Mafia as red: Bill Murray -Spam... a lot -Plays exactly like he stated he would if he were red *a lot of one liners *no content -Could be Village Idiot, seems to want to get lynched -Lots of unfounded Speculation -Pandain's analysis was very good Xelin -Suddenly followed Bill Murray Despite not reading the posts -Voted without concrete evidence -Agrees with the PM mess BM set up, despite it not having concrete evidence AND after BB tells BM to stop Unless Brownbear used different formating for individual PM's, but I think this is unlikely. As of now I'm going to agree with voting for Bloody based on this. Bloody joined the game later, and so the idea that his role PM might not be in standard with the rest is certainly plausible -Followed BM despite all the Spam, and then procedes to defend him like a chum... -Divinek is right, he's not forming ideas, not making claims on his own, just bandwagoning for kills Misder -Voted for ~Opz~ on a hunch instead of something concrete, why? We know Opz is a good player, Misder knows it, does he want to get the intelligent players lynched first as Red? -Accused Infundi (another good player) on unreliable evidence. Infundi posted good advice, but misder tried to lynch him for it despite not saying why it was bad -Also seems generally aggressive, watch these posts: my suspicions aren't really big; they could be comepletely wrong, and I don't really have strong evidence Personally, I don't see anything wrong about accusing on day 1. We all know that its really hard to find ev against people onday 1, but accusing generates responses, which is good. And then he switches to vote for Opz...again, why? Also, in that former post, he said I'll post my suspicions, maybe to generate discussion or something on day 1. You technically can vote without any reason, but I always accuse along with vote. Voting without any analysis is pretty scummy in my book. Right now, I have some hunches on whos mafia, but I'm gonna hold back til there are more posts to work with Okay, clear contradiction for why he voted for Opz. Also, where are these lists? He said he would post them, but they're not here. We as town have asked again and again for his lists and reasons, yet they still fail to appear. =/ I understand if he's busy, but come on, it's been 2 days. He also said he always accuses with his votes, but what was his accusation on the first day? Random shot in the dark? Crisis_ -Hard and a rock place <- what does this mean? He can't give out his role? He feared being checked? being in second place for votes should've made him want to give a GOOD reason for not being mafia Not say, I can't give one because you guys have to trust me. I'll just tell you right now, I'm not red. -I'll tell you right now, I'm not a red. HOW? How can that be convincing in any way? Bad argumentNo help. Followed by Sort of. But I'm really not red, rofl. doesn't help at all-Martyr style play, not good for town at all. Confuses us. We don't want to lynch a green, but a red claiming that would also confuse us as to their true role. It's a good cover for a red, it's a horrible thing to say as a green. Oh and if you don't believe I'm not red, you can go ahead and lynch me to find out. Sheesh. -No insightful posts, mainly just defending himself and posting a bit to stay alive. | ||
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Crisis_ posts in TL Mafia: On October 05 2010 12:03 Crisis_ wrote: I'm in favor of voting inactives. It forces people to talk, leading to more communication. As mentioned before, communication is a step forward in helping us to determine scum. As for the DTs, I agree with most of this. A DT that plays the role of a proactive townie will be diffused amongst the crowd, instead of being a sitting duck to the mafia's quiet-sniping tendencies. Note this quick tip to the DTs. It seems like a good tip, and it is, but it’s really obvious. In fact, it’s posted in the TL Mafia Rules and Tips thread. It doesn’t really provide any content. Therefore, posting tips on how to play DT… without really giving good tips. Hmm, luring? On October 05 2010 14:05 Crisis_ wrote: How nice of you to vote for me. Glad to know that your vote will be a waste, since: 1. I am participating in active discussion to try to help town and give advice to the DT, I wouldn't be doing this if I were scum. 2. There are better candidates to be lynched, i.e. inactives. On October 06 2010 00:29 Crisis_ wrote: Well, these inactives are the candidates that I'm in favor of voting of. And yea, I'm new, so I'm probably shit at this game rofl. I wouldn't be surprised if I screwed up the whole game. I've attempted to give advice to the DT, but now I'm not so sure if it was a great idea or not. Now note these two tips. He uses activity as a reason for not being lynched… not a good reason as he’s not really CONTRIBUTING. Then, he first stated he’s giving advice to the DT, but in his second post, he pre-empts people saying he really didn’t contribute by saying the DT advice might not have been good. Contradiction? Yup. However, note that he pre-empts criticism by saying “I’m new.” It helps give him a reason for why he’s not posting any helpful content. Now, he also states we should lynch inactives. Well… he doesn’t state who at all! Inactives, okay, who and why? Why would you suggest for us to just lynch a group of people without analysis? That’s like asking for us to kill off townies. Not pro-town at all. On October 06 2010 12:12 Crisis_ wrote: Crisis here. Wow, just realized there were so many voters against me. I don't know how to not apologize without seeming like a good voting target, so I won't do it. Can you at least tell me what a good post would consist of, preferably by the end of the day? He asks what a good post consists of… but remember when I said he was here in 2008? Possibly lurking? Come on, he has to know. On October 06 2010 12:37 Crisis_ wrote: I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Not much else I can do. Sorry. Justification for hopping on bandwagon to lynch protact… come on, that’s pretty bad. Not to mention, he later states that it’s because he didn’t want to die on day one. Maybe it’s because Mafia likes to bandwagon, so they won’t have to give false analyses, and because they like to stay alive! Notice, also, that this same bandwagon saved Cynan. Cynan didn’t vote for Protact, though, despite him (Cynan) being on the chopping blocks. So, same bandwagon saving both people… Coincidence or Mafia spreading out their votes to make it so we don’t make that connection? On October 06 2010 12:50 Crisis_ wrote: I'll just tell you right now, I'm not red. No content. On October 06 2010 12:55 Crisis_ wrote: That's what I was hoping for. No content. On October 06 2010 12:58 Crisis_ wrote: I wasn't being serious either. No content. On October 06 2010 12:58 Crisis_ wrote: Sort of. But I'm really not red, rofl. No content. Really, 4 straight posts of spam. No defense against accusations. Jumping on bandwagon without an analysis. Seems scummy to me. On October 06 2010 13:02 Crisis_ wrote: The day's over, what do you expect. Well, I don’t know about others, but I kind of expect helpful posts. I expect people to be doing analyses. I expect people to not clutter up the thread with spam. On October 07 2010 14:54 Crisis_ wrote: So about my "rock and hard place" comment, I was talking about how I was 2nd on the votelist, and I didn't have much of a choice, otherwise I would have been lynched. Why would I want to die on day 1?... Oh and if you don't believe I'm not red, you can go ahead and lynch me to find out. Sheesh. Martyr style behavior. Once again, not good at all for the town. Once again, not a single bit of analysis or useful information. All this post does is confuse the town. If he’s a townie, it doesn’t help us. Being a martyr only risks us having to lynch him. If he’s mafia, it’s a perfect posts. He gives away no information, creates a risk for the town, and confuses the town. Furthermore, it’s on the second day so he can now vote again without justification if he wants to just stay alive. It’s the BARE minimum for staying alive as scum. Now, throughout all that, I understand there’s nothing conclusive about him being scum. My understanding is, however, that he is most probably mafia. Just look at his posting records once again. 1 post these last 2 days. He’s waiting, once again, until the last minute to vote. He has 5.5 hours. I doubt he will give proper justification. I just don’t trust that, and it really seems like scummy behavior. | ||
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On October 09 2010 09:32 Pandain wrote: Reasons for double lynch 1. We'll have enough info from today's lynch, this whole well of info we already have, a dt check, BM's result, and possibly a medic save. 2.In case BM is mafia 3. In case there is no vigi(doubtful though) 4. We really need to start lowering the mafia kp I agree with this. Tomorrow will be Day 3. I believe Day 3 and 4 will be critical for the success of our town, and we will definitely need to make the most use out of them possible. We also should have more than enough information by then since we have: A. Such a bustling thread (despite some inactive people) B. A voting thread to tally how people vote (Tonight's votes will be a boost of info too) C. tons of info from what Pandain stated in #1. | ||
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On October 12 2010 04:55 drag_ wrote: Ok, I did some voting analysis for what it's worth. There a lot of assumptions, but here goes: Firstly, some assumptions. The mafia has 5 votes. I think it's fair to say that they clearly do not vote in one big block. However I think it's also fair to say that they don't vote for 5 different guys completely randomly. My guess would be that the mafia may be split into 2 or 3 groups - where each day 2 people will vote for the guy they want to hit to make sure he dies, and the others will vote relatively randomly to prevent any sort of pattern emerging. This could be true because the mafia will never stay in one group, because if one gets caught then it makes it much easier to find the rest. This is all theory - no factual evidence to support this, but I think it could possibly make sense. Therefore, to identify some clue of who the mafia is we need to look at someone who votes for the person killed, and then votes for someone on pretty weak evidence. However this is far too general, and cannot be conclusive. However the vote for the double lynch just passed yesterday gaining exactly the 12 votes needed. Now there were 20 voters yesterday - I will not include myself because I'm confident in my not being red. If we look at around two hours before the vote there are three votes for double lynch that come in the space of 15 mins. Now there is nothing overly suspicious of this, except that all three of these people had voted before with who they wanted to lynch and then as it seemed the double would not pass they support it. These are: LSB Sinquity Crisis_ Now just for fun I'll do a little probing into each of them. I'm unsure about LSB - he didn't make a vote first day so it's hard to analyze what the rationale behind his vote was. Crisis_: He follows the same pattern of voting for the person who gets lynched, and then voting seemingly randomly. He votes for protactinium, and then he is the ONLY person to vote for BillMurray. He once again posts his vote before giving a reason. His explanation is also not very convincing: He posts this after his vote. This is not an explanation of any detail. He later claims he will change his vote, but of course he does not. However, he does participate in the voting thread again. This clearly means that he hasn't forgotten, but has no intentions of switching his vote. At 8:49 at the end of Day 2 he makes this post From this we know that he is aware Panda is online, and Panda replies to his question 3 minutes later, yet it takes Crisis a full 1 and a half to change his post, and he provides 0 reasoning for it. This makes it seem as if he is asking someone else about the double lynch. His vote change is at the same time as Sinquinity's. To me it appears that he was waited for Sinquinity to reply to his question about the double lynch, and getting the go ahead from siniquity, he changes his vote. From the time of their posts we can tell that they were online at the same time. Sin had not posted for awhile, while we know that Crisis had been online for a long time. There is very little reason I can see for the delay in Crisis changing his vote, unless he was waiting for something, like Sin answering his question. This may also explain Sin's post including Xellin. A potential scenario: Sin replies to Crisis to vote for the double. Sin then sees it might not past and wants to vote for it to create a bandwagon effect, or just for some insurance. However he sees the proximity of their posts and sees this could be a link between them. He puts in the bit about Xellin as a cover story. The above is merely theory, and of course cannot be proven. However, I felt like it was an interesting idea, and wanted to share it. That said I'm suspicious of crisis and siniquity until they can prove otherwise. Thank you! I completely agree on this analysis. He votes, and then provides no analysis to prove it. As I've also stated before in my previous analysis, he doesn't provide any benefit in the town and seems to be content to vote AT THE LAST MINUTE. Along with the bandwagoning without reason, he definitely seems suspicious to me. Not to mention, his bandwagoning, as you've pointed out, seems to show traits of communication. Now, example of another useless post: On October 09 2010 09:40 Crisis_ wrote: My suspect list: I think the top suspects are those that receive accusation, and only surface when they're being threatened. CynanMachine Has been making mostly defensive posts with flawed arguments (sometimes even just brushing them off like they're not legitimate), some such as: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=43#845 ghrur http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=38#741 Talks a lot about how a red would play. People will relate others based on the role they actually are. They will think in that mindset. Bill Murray Ugh... a lot of spam, and an iffy plan...? I doubt there's more than one VI, and it seems like BM does this a lot in every mafia game he plays, so it's "normal" play for him. I'd just be okay with lynching him to get rid of the spam, but I know that's not really the best choice. I think he's more town than mafia. That's how he justifies his vote. The weird thing, he states I think he's more town than mafia when talking about Bill Murray... yet he votes for him anyway. Hmmm, suspicious much? Why would you vote for someone who you think is town? Or someone who you might guess as VI? Furthermore, where's the analysis that shows BM as either? Now, I've read some posts saying, it could be he's new. Let me remind you guys though, he's been here since 2008 for christ's sake. He can't be THAT new. He's got to have read some Mafia threads in his time here. Could all his "mistakes" or useless posts like On October 07 2010 14:54 Crisis_ wrote: So about my "rock and hard place" comment, I was talking about how I was 2nd on the votelist, and I didn't have much of a choice, otherwise I would have been lynched. Why would I want to die on day 1?... Oh and if you don't believe I'm not red, you can go ahead and lynch me to find out. Sheesh. be from his noobiness? I doubt it. I suspected Crisis_ yesterday, I still suspect him today. Also, I'm inactive because I'm in 11th grade with the PSAT coming up. I kind of want to get National Merit Scholar Seminfinalist so I'm trying to spend as much time as I can studying for it. Therefore, sorry if I'm not active. I need to study. >_< | ||
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On October 10 2010 22:15 kingjames01 wrote: Okay, so after making that previous post, I went back through the thread with the intention of extraction each and every post made in-game by the players from the short list above. I wanted to cross-reference their votes made in the other thread so that I could look for inconsistencies and patterns, complete with timelines and personal comments. I started in numerical order as dictated in the OP and I was typing this all up in a text editor but I just have to share with you something. SouthRawrea is either a very bad Town or a very bad Mafia. Let's examine his 17 posts. + Show Spoiler + On October 05 2010 09:29 SouthRawrea wrote: This game: There are several differences in this setup than regular mafia games in case you can't be bothered to read the role descriptions. 1) Detective must wait until Night 2 for investigation which is frankly not helpful as it is 1 less report overall per detective. 2) Vigilante gets their shot or bat back if they overlap with mafia. Not a huge deal as an overlap isn't that likely. 3) Godfather can fake Village Idiot. Frankly as some have stated before this may be a bit OP and is a very good reason for Vigilante to save their bat. 4) Roleblocker now cannot block someone twice in a row which make DT claiming a little more viable especially once mafia loses a KP. 5) Mafia can practically save a KP for the next day while the poisoner is still alive. Three huge things to watch out for 1) Like stated earlier, the Vigilante must not shoot until we get a Village Idiot report as it is the only way of safely killing a potential Village Idiot/Godfather as town. 2) Mafia can continuously use poison from any point in the game and have on of their players claim hit Veteran. The mafia will then be able to unleash 3 NK at any one night from that point onwards while having 1 NK the night before the claim and 2 NK for every night in between. This can be dangerous if town is too trusting of the hit claim and/or forgets about the 3 NK. Ex: Night 2 : 1 poison 1 shot Day 2: 1 death, mafia claims hit Night 3: 1 poison 1 shot Day 3: 2 deaths Night 4 1 poison 1 shot Day 4: 2 deaths Night 5: 2 shot Day 5: 3 deaths 3) Finally in a Lylo situation with Village idiot still alive, mafia can have a joint-win with the Village Idiot by lynching him. This will result in the day ending with both the Village Idiot and the Mafia's win requirements being fulfilled. (VI gets lynched and mafia # = town #) Comment: This post reiterates content from the OP with commentary and ways the mechanics will come into play. There is no stance taken on how Day 1's lynch should take place. Overall a very shallow post. Note that SouthRawrea advocates saving the Vigilante to use against the Village Idiot. My question is what takes preference, killing a Red or the VI? + Show Spoiler + On October 05 2010 11:27 SouthRawrea wrote: I'd have to agree with most of this. Mafia often snipe the quiet folk as they are often medics or other good power-roles. In my first game on TL where we were mafia that was one of the tell-tale signs of the medic we sniped. I'd also agree with you on the DT building an argument but I'm against claiming at this point in time until the DT builds up a few more reports. He can't just let his reports do the work for him; he has to be a proactive townie. I'm going to assume that last part was directed to me. This kind of situation was common on the site I used to go on and made the Village Idiot all that more dangerous. This reinforces the reasoning that I had for saving the vig shot until we're sure that we've got either the idiot or the GF. Comment: Seems to be a passive-aggressive push for the Blues to come out of hiding. The Medic should not be "one of the quiet folk" or the mafia will know who he is. The Detective has to be a "proactive townie". Again, he says to save the Vigilante but adds that the Godfather should also be considered a good hit. How do we identify the Godfather anyway? Could be well-intentioned advice; I'm not sure. Supports ~OpZ~. + Show Spoiler + On October 05 2010 21:48 SouthRawrea wrote: Woot no joint wins!  )))Comment: No substance. Expresses happiness over the ruling that VI cannot share wins. Consistent with above post. + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 05:04 SouthRawrea wrote: At this point in time I would have to say that NuketheBunny's current strategy is pretty blatant and although I don't completely agree with how he's going about doing it, I would have to say I would like to get the more experience inactives to say something. I'm seeing some of the newer players being earnest in their attempt to play (ex: kingjames01) and this is a good sign. As they are much newer I wouldn't expect them to contribute as much. We're only 3 pages into this game so far however and although I believe we're jumping the gun on the entire: lynch inactives. We are left with the problem of only 11 hours left in this game and plenty of inactives though so if we must come to an accord quickly for our lynch. Random Lynch is a good option in this game as we have many newer players which also explains the high number of inactives. Oh god I'm terribly sorry about how unorganized this post is, I'm brain dead at the moment. :/ What I mean to say is that this day is short, we have lots of new players who are inactive, we should random lynch because many players haven't been given a proper chance to post as of yet. Comment: Wants inactive players to be more active. Does not support lynching inactives this early in the game. Supports voting randoms. Is neutral to NukeTheBunnys. October 06 2010 05:07. (07:53 remaining Day 1) ##Vote Divinek Justification: None provided. I don't understand this vote. I just checked and SouthRawrea is the only other person to have voted for Divinek including retracted votes. Was Divinek chosen randomly, then? Or is there some other reason? + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 05:46 SouthRawrea wrote: That's not how RNG works usually. A couple people will RNG rolls and the town will bandwagon  . Derp. Sorry my head wasn't all there when I was typing up that post.Comment: Divinek points out that SouthRawrea does not justify his vote and assumes it was random. SouthRawrea says that random votes start bandwagons. + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 09:45 SouthRawrea wrote: Err BM he wasn't in TL Mafia XXX... ? I'd also like to hear more about the smurf thing :O. Comment: Indicates he does not know the smurf's aka. + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 11:20 SouthRawrea wrote: It's funny because I remember who pro is and I'm going to leave pro be. Comment: Indicates he does know the smurf's aka. I don't understand. October 06 2010 13:00. (00:00 remaining Day 1) Protactinium is lynched. Comment: The day finishes and he never switched his vote from Divinek who he "randomly" chose. + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 21:46 SouthRawrea wrote: I lol'd so so soooo hard. Comment: No substance. Inanity. + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 22:06 SouthRawrea wrote: Hey Happy.. the game is still on .. reaad. Comment: No substance. Also, ironic since Happy.fairytail was modkilled and replaced. "reaad" October 07 2010 13:00. (00:00 remaining Night 1) bumatlarge and Infundibulum are killed. Comment: No direct link between these three players. + Show Spoiler + On October 09 2010 07:00 SouthRawrea wrote: AH forgot about this game totally with getting my haircut and preparing for other stuff and what not :/. Strangely enough I find myself agreeing with BM's take on Happy.fairytail and BC. I'm going to completely ignore the Role PM controversy (with the whole TOWN vs CITIZEN thing) as even if it wasn't a miscommunication, in my opinion BM comes out on top simply because it is slightly suspicious. I would like to say this, I've been pretty inactive this day but I find that Misder's posts during day 1 have been consistent with not wanting to lynch without reasons. Eventually he gradually admits that he wouldn't want to lynch an inactive but votes for Xelin and then switches to Opz because he was inactive as well. This to me screams timid town role behaviour rather than mafia simply because his votes aren't quite bandwagonesque. In this case I believe that NuketheBunnys if mafia. Comment: Explains inactivity. Will ignore PM controversy. However, the PM controversy makes BC look suspicious. Justifies Misder's choice to lynch inactives on Day 1. Inconsistent with above. Claims NukeThe Bunnys is mafia. I just read the rest of the post and his logic for this claim very tenuous. Nuke is mafia because he opposes Bill Murray. Also, insinuates that NukeTheBunnys makes "empty promises". Opposes Happy.fairytail/BloodyC0bbler. Supports Bill Murray. Supports Misder. Opposes NukeTheBunnys. October 09 2010 07:01. (05:59 remaining Day 2) ##Vote NukeTheBunnys Justification: NukeTheBunnys opposed Bill Murray October 09 2010 07:27. (05:33 remaining Day 2) ##Vote Double Lynch Justification: None provided + Show Spoiler + On October 09 2010 08:31 SouthRawrea wrote: I was actually pleased that NuketheBunnys made that post and then I read it. >.> Think of analysis like an English essay. The point of it is not to summarize but to prove a point. :/ A couple ways to improve this is to perhaps cut out some one liners or group them all together and provide your point for them altogether. An example of what you could've done is instead of saying "buddies up with xelin even more", you could've tried to indicate a connection between the two and went over a handful of their posts in relation to each other (When doing this just look to see if there is anything that shows an obvious connection between the two). If this is horrible advice I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure that it's good advice . You did provide a conclusion at the end which was essential but it'd be nice if you could link it all together.Comment: Here SouthRawrea supports NukeTheBunnys post? Then proceeds to disparage his arguments because they do not prove a point? Will investigate more. Okay, I just looked up the post. It is a very detailed look into Bill Murray's behaviour in the game. I think that the evidence provided paints a very convincing picture. Why does SouthRawrea not comment on the validity of the arguments rather than the structure of the post? Also, why doesn't he quote this post so we know what he's talking about? Finally, he doesn't retract his earlier insult about delivering on "empty promises". Opposes NukeTheBunnys. + Show Spoiler + On October 09 2010 08:46 SouthRawrea wrote: I can answer #1 for you Kingjames: Usually it's safer to maintain a worst case scenario mindset until we get a bit more insight into whether or not there is a roleblocker. (ex: roleblocked claim) Comment: This was an answer to my question about why Pandain assumes the presence of the RoleBlocker. Satisfactory and illuminating. October 09 2010 13:00. (00:00 remaining Day 2) Misder is lynched. + Show Spoiler + On October 10 2010 05:58 SouthRawrea wrote: Hey people that voted Misder, I'm checking you out. Comment: Empty and completely unnecessary threat. I'm sure anyone who is innocent will do the same thing. Supports Misder (who is dead). + Show Spoiler + On October 10 2010 10:45 SouthRawrea wrote: Just because I'm not allowed to PM, I'd like to express my wish to PM Pandain expressedly. PANDAIN I WANT TO PM YOU. Just a suggestion: Questioning of Siniquity/BM on the part of the mods might be a good idea. People who voted for lynching Misder in order of best reasons: Pandain - Pretty well done analysis on http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=38 ~OpZ~ -For the unexplained vote Misder put on ~OpZ~ infinitestory - Actually makes a post explaining why he though Misder was suspicious though I can't see why he'd vote for him in particular because he had plenty of other suspects at the time. DoctorHelvetica - No good reason. He was tunneling Siniquity the entire time and gave no real reason for Misder. LSB - He basically goes to pandain "who know you might be right" and votes Misder... drag_ - Absolutely nothing. A total of 10 posts. There almost seem to be 12 posts but 2 of those are from a link of siniquity's This was just me scanning over the posts and making it public who I'm going to examine. I would start with drag_ but because he has so little posts I thinking I'll examine him and LSB (as JeeJee didn't make a single post). Most likely within the same day I will go over DoctorHelvetica and/or Xelin because this particular post caught my eye. It just seems like a post that could be reduced to under 10 words and has no explanation within it and only an elongated 1 point opinion. I know I've been guilty of this to some degree except without just providing opinion. However it seems like major "slipping under the radar" to me. In case of my death tonight Suspects: Xelin, DrHelvetica, BloodC0bbler and at least 2 of the newer players including KingJames, drag_ and infinitestory. Comment: Publicly states he wants to break the rules. Implies that he does not have the ability to PM. I don't understand the "Questioning of Siniquity/BM on the part of the mods". Lists the players who voted for Misder during the previous day and their justifications. Only provides a link to Pandain and summarizes the rest in his own words. Of the 6 voters, only Pandain has a good reason apparently. Expresses intent to investigate drag_, LSB, DoctorHelvetica and/or XeliN. Will keep an eye out for this. For good measure, he accuses (without justification) BloodyC0bbler, kingjames01 and infinitestory. Suggests that he might die overnight. Supports Pandain. Opposes drag_. Opposes LSB. Opposes DoctorHelvetica. and/or Opposes XeliN. Opposes BloodyC0bbler. Opposes kingjames01. Opposes infinitestory. + Show Spoiler + On October 10 2010 10:53 SouthRawrea wrote: :D I'm glad you could consolidate your posts. No hard feelings? I actually think I screwed the ctrl+f thing that one time while searching. It began the search part way through. Sorry about that. It wasa genuine mistake. I was going back through what I searched through just to make sure everything was right and yeah you did express suspicion. I'm in no way clearing you though .Comment: I think he is referring to DoctorHelvetica's response. Very slimy and takes back his earlier statement about DrH's lack of justification for voting Misder. This seems suspicious. Is neutral to DoctorHelvetica. + Show Spoiler + On October 10 2010 10:55 SouthRawrea wrote: Other junky posts were available at the time . I just felt you didn't have as good of a raisin bran muffin. (reason)Comment: LSB defends his vote and SouthRawrea implies that LSB should have chosen someone else. + Show Spoiler + On October 10 2010 11:01 SouthRawrea wrote: EBWOP: Sorry for triple post but post 1 is directed toward DrH and Post 2 at LSB Comment: No substance. Confirms that his previous two posts were directed at DoctorHelvetica and LSB as I thought. October 10 2010 13:00. (00:00 remaining Night 2) Pandain is killed. Conclusion - Casts vote on Day 1 without justification - Indicates that he opposes lynching inactives because the "town will bandwagon" - Justifies Misder's choice to lynch inactives - Implies he does not know the smurf but in the following post says he remembers who the smurf is - Accuses NukeTheBunnys of being mafia since he opposes Bill Murray - When NukeTheBunnys replies, SouthRawrea dismisses all arguments by saying it's not in an essay form. Calls it "good advice". - After Misder is lynched and revealed to be Town, SouthRawrea quickly aligns himself and makes an empty threat - SouthRawrea publicly aligns himself to Pandain citing that he was the only one with a good "raisin bran muffin" - In the same post SouthRawrea accuses drag_, LSB, DoctorHelvetica, and/or XeliN, BloodyC0bbler, kingjames01 and infinitestory - Suggests that he might be a target that night - 2 hours and 15 minutes later Pandain is killed - No post since Together in one place, these posts paint SouthRawrea into a very small corner. I propose that the town takes action. I want SouthRawrea to explain himself. This is a beautiful post. the last part is especially great for summarizing why SouthRawrea seems suspicious Allow me to further this by looking at some of his recent posts: + Show Spoiler + On October 10 2010 10:45 SouthRawrea wrote: Just because I'm not allowed to PM, I'd like to express my wish to PM Pandain expressedly. PANDAIN I WANT TO PM YOU. Just a suggestion: Questioning of Siniquity/BM on the part of the mods might be a good idea. People who voted for lynching Misder in order of best reasons: Pandain - Pretty well done analysis on http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=38 ~OpZ~ -For the unexplained vote Misder put on ~OpZ~ infinitestory - Actually makes a post explaining why he though Misder was suspicious though I can't see why he'd vote for him in particular because he had plenty of other suspects at the time. DoctorHelvetica - No good reason. He was tunneling Siniquity the entire time and gave no real reason for Misder. LSB - He basically goes to pandain "who know you might be right" and votes Misder... drag_ - Absolutely nothing. A total of 10 posts. There almost seem to be 12 posts but 2 of those are from a link of siniquity's This was just me scanning over the posts and making it public who I'm going to examine. I would start with drag_ but because he has so little posts I thinking I'll examine him and LSB (as JeeJee didn't make a single post). Most likely within the same day I will go over DoctorHelvetica and/or Xelin because this particular post caught my eye. It just seems like a post that could be reduced to under 10 words and has no explanation within it and only an elongated 1 point opinion. I know I've been guilty of this to some degree except without just providing opinion. However it seems like major "slipping under the radar" to me. In case of my death tonight Suspects: Xelin, DrHelvetica, BloodC0bbler and at least 2 of the newer players including KingJames, drag_ and infinitestory. Once again, accusing multiple people without detailed analysis. Instead, he scans and accuses. Why would anyone accuse 6 people at once? It seems to just cause confusion and make people point fingers instead of doing what town should ACTUALLY be doing. Analyzing behavior, focusing on specific, scummy points, and hunting reds. Pointing all around does nothing. It's just as good as using a RNG. + Show Spoiler + Double Lynches are situational and in games usually by Day 3, the town has gathered enough information that they have at least a handful of suspects in mind especially if there is a claim/counterclaim situation at hand. Notice, he only posts a reason AFTER he voted and AFTER someone questioned him on it. Trying to slip under the radar? Probably. + Show Spoiler + I accused NukeTheBunnys based on his hesitance to analyze Bill Murray even though he was sure the Bill Murray was either Village Idiot or Mafia Interestingly enough, this is why I'm also accusing you. SouthRawrea has been hesitant to go into any detailed analysis about players despite his accusations. + Show Spoiler + I realized that i was low on the post count at this point in time and that I had to take a bit more action. Once again not empty. >.> Now this is truly interesting. Why would one be afraid to be low on post count? BM is very high on post count and it isn't exactly helping. But here's the thing, posts reveal information. SR might be hiding in the shadows because he doesn't want to give town any more information than necessary, much like the advice listed in the most basic of guides, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132936. So what does he do? He gives posts with little information. Absolutely minimal. An empty threat to boost his post count so he's less likely to get noticed. Very fishy to me. The lack of analysis and the boosting of post count with spam posts seem really suspicious to me. If he were pro-town, he'd definitely be more active with useful, beneficial posts instead of just throwing it off with Or just addicted to minecraft and finding it hard to get engaged in this current game >.> | ||
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And if you noticed, I really was a "lurking mafia" because I honestly didn't have the time this week to really post. I just made long-ass posts to hide my lurking thing. Interestingly enough, Kingjames was the one who almost ousted me on that one by saying I had the LEAST amount of posts with a total of 9... lol! I'd say that's quite lurkyish. But really, I was just busy this past week.  Also, gosh, town was way too passive this game. There really should've been more discussion, more analyses, etc. To Infundi: Well, Opz was alive too. And Divinek. And Dr. H (Hmm, mafia had a lot of experience, lol) So... meh. But I'd say it was a brilliant choice to off the experienced players. Also, I had a huge post to get Opz lynched too. Too bad it probably would've just given me away as mafia, lol.) The fact that Opz accused, and then never voted for BC would've been a great thing to convince this town that he's mafia along with BC. Too bad so sad that it never got to that point, hahaha.Also, I guess I shouldn't have called Kingjames's analysis beautiful. Man, that really was a dangerous move looking back. | ||
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On October 16 2010 10:48 kingjames01 wrote: This was a really good first game for the both of us. We got a lot of experience playing it. =) Sorry about revealing the number of posts... I needed more things to confuse the town about... =) Haha, yeah, definitely. Playing with experienced players on Mafia really helped. And no probs, do what you can to seem town. In fact, you and Dr. H together could've won it for sure after day 2, hahaha. | ||
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On October 16 2010 10:58 kingjames01 wrote: Are you going to be playing again anytime soon? I'm thinking that I might want to run a game sometime in the future. I have some good ideas about the setting for an upcoming mafia game. First I'm going to have to look through the old games and see if it's been done before... By the way, how did your tests go? I keep checking back here waiting for the Bearies... =) I'd love to play again sometimes. In fact, I'm in Haunted Mafia right now. Just hope I don't get modkilled, hahaha. xD Oh, my tests... ehhh... lol. Math section was pretty ez, the reading was a bit harder with all the "how would this person react" stuff. The writing made me QQ | ||
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