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DarthThienAn
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Whatever ^^. Ace can take care of himself. | ||
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Can I too!? | ||
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On August 14 2010 12:38 citi.zen wrote: Look at this vote list: The reds are most likely three of: Korynne, LSB, bumatlarge, chaoser or jayme. Bum has an absurd claim, but let's cross him off for now. Meaning: * Korynne is red. It's not just the vote, it's repeated misstatements (Ace played "normal", Pyrr was "scummy" for saying the penalty claims were bad; BM NEEDS to kill someone to be "confirmed"). * Two of LSB, chaoser or jayme are red. I used to think Scamp could be red as well, but I now doubt it. That's my input, I will keep my vote on Korynne. The weekend is here! When I was reading, I leaned Korynne + bumatlarge as red. LSB/chaoser is sort of suspicious as well. + Show Spoiler + On August 14 2010 13:16 Korynne wrote: Why are we assuming there is a vigi? And who's to say the vigi doesn't have some kind of restriction and can't kill BM? Also if BM was red claiming vigi...and I'm red... then like, what? Obviously BM can't vigi you if he's mafia, so then I'm pushing to make BM take a shot and then like omg BM didn't take a shot let's kill him? When everyone else is like, pfft, don't waste a shot guys. FoS on BM, cuz I can't vote change. >_> I guess secondary FoS on citi.zen. Like, if no one suspected BM, then I would go with the maybe wasting a vigi shot, but considering like a lot of people were suspicious of BM on day one, and then like more people suspicious of BM on day 2 but then me arguing for keeping BM around for the night for the purpose of confirming him, and him not taking the shot, then like, yeah, I'm done giving BM chances. I think Ace was right before. Also, when is there NOT a kp role? No vigilante would mean that we have several detectives or something. And balance wise, it only makes sense to have one doctor (1 mafia kp). Based on that, we either have a vigilante or LSB is lying. + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2010 01:20 Korynne wrote: Why didn't he claim he wasn't hitting someone before the night ended? Like if citi.zen and BM are mafia they can just run on the oh hey let's not waste our vigi hit guys! How are you so sure citi.zen, scamp and divinek are not mafia? Nobody did any substantial analysis, and citi.zen sure didn't bother to do any substantial analysis and just was like oh hey, divinek and scamp look innocent, let's not used the vigi hit tonight. Usually vigi hit is like a double lynch, the only thing is this time it's kinda like, well, it's like a double lynch where your second hit has limited choices. So the reason we would not want to use it is because we are so totally sure that those guys are not mafia, which we're certainly not. Also BM what do you mean I'm lying low on the radar for voting? I can't switch my vote! That's why I FoS'd you. Consider those "votes." So how about this, I'll vote for majority at the end of the day. If BM feels like I'm totally scummy he can vigi my ass. And if BM is mafia as I suspect then my ass will not be vigi'd. And then of course there's the option of both me and BM are town and like, falcepalm. Also like, lots of inactivity going on while me, BM, and citi.zen bicker. With other people inserting like, a line or two in places. This post deflects a little bit o.O. I kind of like the plan though. Where he shoots you, I mean :D. Minus the part where we leave you alive :D. | ||
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##Vote Korynne citi.zen, what's your penalty? jw, because I don't have yours in my chart =D. I'll phrase mine exactly as Jayme phrased it awhile ago. I look guilty. lolol. Also, @BM: What is your penalty? I just want to be sure because it seems like you were lying for the first half of the game or so, and thus, the list would be wrong. Updating the list: Adjective Claims:: Penalty Claim. Ace: Nytophobic Must telegraph moves to the town before acting. Pyrr: Cautious Detective: Can't get results back until later Korynne: Dogmatic: Can't change actions. zeks: Pitiful: If lynched, random person on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power LSB: citi.zen: Suicidal youngminii: Selfish Scamp: Lazy: Limited amount of votes bumatlarge: Equivocating Treestump: Epic fail treestump. Basically becomes a mafia treestump if used Bill Murray: Wrathful Vigilante: If he dies, a town power role dies. Divinek: Unwary: If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night Jayme: Goth: looks guilty chaoser: Obvious If he votes majority, he cannot vote the next day.[/QUOTE] | ||
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On August 16 2010 10:19 citi.zen wrote: LSB: thoughts on whether or not it made sense for BM to claim vigi if he is red? It's all wifom. That, along with the concept that BM doesn't need to shoot until it's LYLO makes it risky, but reasonable and definitely doable if he's confident that he'll be able to defend himself. However, I lean toward BM being town. | ||
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Oh. I totally forgot about that. I still don't fully understand that. Does someone get converted? Or is one person just considered toward the mafia count? It makes sense that it only happens to one person so then it'd be -1 townie and +1 mafia, in the same way that recruitment works. Whether or not they become part of the mafia team is questionable. Also, how does that person get picked? I want answers! | ||
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On August 17 2010 06:27 citi.zen wrote: Your plan requires: a. A better, 3rd lynch candidate (right now you and BM have all the votes); and b. A bandwagon for that candidate. Waiting until the last moment after we've had a 72h day seems designed to distract, more than find reds or implement your plan. Still, finally hearing your thoughts will be interesting. I am 100% willing to bandwagon anyone from this list: bumatlarge, chaoser, LSB. | ||
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On August 17 2010 06:31 Divinek wrote: seriously where the hell has chaoser been his last few posts have just been his votes Come to think of it, why isn't chaoser dead? Why would mafia hit zeks? To remove the threat of the +1 vote? All they would need to do that is prevent zeks from being lynched. On August 12 2010 10:11 chaoser wrote: I am Obvious. I'm starting to think that there is no townie role, everyone is just blue. Think about the penalties so far, Ace could only do an action if he tells it ahead of time, meaning everyone will know/suspect he's blue. And Pyrr's is that he had to wait till Night 2. Those are some crazy penalties. Unless we're all blue. This post obviously implies that he's either blue or red. So if he's not red, mafia would know that he's blue. So why would they hit zeks, who was just a townie? ##unvote Vote chaoser | ||
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On August 17 2010 06:44 citi.zen wrote: Jayme could well be red as well, so I think lynching Korynne is still the better bet. You mean me? I'm not red :D. But if you check me, I'd be red. Nah sayy? I don't mind lynching Korynne either, cuz I think she's scum. | ||
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On August 17 2010 06:52 citi.zen wrote: Meh... once you switched you already saved Korynne. She will obviously not vote for herself. Divinek said he's 100% willing to switch as well, bringing Korynne to 2 votes and making this a race between BM and Chaoser. Bad choice in my view, but it is what it is. ##unvote ##Vote Chaoser Korynne, please get on the wagon :-) We can obviously switch back. But Korynne should be dying tonight anyway by BM. | ||
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On August 17 2010 07:13 LSB wrote: The plan sounds good. ##Vote: Chaoser But why would Korynne be advocating this plan? If Chaoser is townie, and Korynne is townie, isn't it gg? If chaoser is townie, we're at 5-3 tonight. ...hmm. If both BM and Korynne are townie, mafia hit someone else, we're at 3-3... Wait, really? | ||
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Despite that post I need to think. Obviously, if we lynch a townie, BM does not use his vigi hit. So that fails. Alternate plan? 1) Lynch Korynne. Korynne mafia: we tell BM to shoot someone on the list who we suspect (multiple names!). If two people die, then BM is confirmed townie. If one person dies, we lynch BM - if he's mafia, great, if he's not, we're.. back at lylo I think. We're at 6-3 Lynch Korynne: 6-2 BM + mafia both hit townies: 4-2, with a confirmed townie (unless mafia hit BM) BM + mafia hit 1 of ea: 5-1 only one hit: 5-2 --> lynch BM (townie) 4-2, lynch BM (mafia) 5-1. Korynne townie: we tell BM not to shoot anyone. 6-3 Lynch Korynne: 5-3 Mafia hit someone tonight: 4-3 in which case we're at lylo. This means that Korynne dies today, and BM may/may not shoot one of the Korynne voters tonight. Thoughts? | ||
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On August 17 2010 08:01 Divinek wrote: man i totally didnt realize we could lose from this rofl, cause townie plus nk plus vigi is 3 and i thought mafia had to out number town not equal them. However say we lynch anyone today that is town and then it's 5-3, and then say bm announces his hit and they stack with bm's hit or just dont do a hit then it's 4-3, and then if you lynch him because only one person died we lose... or they could obviously just hit someone else and out right end the game if bm follows through with his vigi hit. but obviously if we hit a mob with our lynch it'll be alot better cause then it's like 6-2 and bm can hit anyone and mafia couldnt stack their hit with his because that'd be senseless so it'd probably go to 4-2 or if we get lucky 5-1, which the latter would certainly be winning for us. So i think if we lynch whoever we lynch today if they flip town then BM CAN'T shoot, but if they flip red the hoorah, do people think that korynee seems like a much more compelling case than chaoser at this point? (because we dont have to worry about her not begin on the wagon if we lynch her, in order to be shot) i mean yeah no one is defending him but maybe that's so they dont look bad? gah there's too much god damn wifom shit in this game  First off, ##unvote Vote Korynne Hurr.. I need to think. 6-3 right now. 1) Lynch a Townie Night: 5-3, if BM and mafia hit two targets, then we lose. Therefore, if we lynch a townie today, BM should not hit, and we'll be at 4-3 LYLO. There's no reason why the mafia would stack with BM in this case, when they could just win by hitting an additional target. That said, BM should not hit tonight if we mislynch. Agreed? Worst case scenario is that we're at 4-3 LYLO. Numbers breakdown: a) BM and mafia both use their hits. i) BM and mafia hit separate targets: 3-3, we lose. aii) BM and mafia hit the same target: 4-3, LYLO, we would probably lynch BM for lying except we wouldn't be able to because he might not be mafia except etc.etc.etc. Basically, bad situation. b) BM doesn't hit, mafia hit: we're at 4-3, same situation as (aii) but it takes out the possibility of an autolose with (ai). So (b) is the best choice. 2) Lynch a Mafia Night: 6-2 a) BM and mafia both hit. i) Hit separate targets: we're either at 4-2 or 5-1 with a confirmed townie. ii) Hit same target: we're at 5-2, and we lynch BM for 'lying', putting us at 4-2 that night, 3-2 during the next day (LYLO). b) BM does not hit. Mafia hit, we're at 5-2. We lynch BM for 'lying' putting us at either 5-1 or 4-2 that night. 3-2 during the next day. So obviously, (ai) is ideal, but as you can see, it isn't possible unless BM hits tonight (after a red flip in a couple hours). Gosh I hope this is right this time. | ||
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On August 17 2010 08:42 bumatlarge wrote: I still think the chaoser find is stronger, but if he was red, more then 2 people wouldn't have jumped on this bandwagon so fast. Also, If DTA and citi are red, this gives them a near perfect scenario to win the game. Divine is absolutely right, WIFOM game is annoying. But I guess I dont see why darth would take it off the chaoser list unless he was red. So maybe it would be smart to link up potential teams of mafia. If chaoser = red then DTA and/or citi If Korynne = red then maybe LSB? If BM = red then citi? I think there is enough info in this thread to make this firmer. Especially since its nearing lylo, mafia will tend to stick together harder for a faster and cleaner win, and if they do it right there is nothing town can do. Reasons why I don't want to vote chaoser: 1) I still read Korynne as mafia. 2) Everyone voted for chaoser so easily. WIFOM, but mafia wouldn't do that when BM was still in the lead. Potentially 3 mafia were all already on BM, but unlikely. | ||
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On August 17 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote: wow didnt even see this lol im fairly certain that me stumping would not be helpful unless it would be between me and a certain red. I.E. its either I am red or they are, I will stump. And also, I refuted chaosers only blue role thought, when I was the only vanilla claimed person at the time. Silly reason to lose as mafia because I made a guess on roles. (yeah I remember that all blue town game very well) Call my bluff, I dare you. It wasn't his thought that made me vote for him. And you refuting him wasn't why I thought you were scummy. I voted for him because he didn't die when he was obviously either blue or red (or lying?) and mafia decided to hit green instead? | ||
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It's all wifom, but Scamp is the other red, not me. >>. | ||
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The whole BM-Ace-Pyrr thing in the beginning was so lulzy. | ||
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