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+250$mil worth of swine flu vaccine wasted

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zizou21
Profile Joined September 2006
United States3683 Posts
July 01 2010 17:49 GMT
#1
ATLANTA (AP) - About a quarter of the swine flu vaccine produced for the U.S. public has expired — meaning that a whopping 40 million doses worth about $260 million are being written off as trash.

"It's a lot, by historical standards," said Jerry Weir, who oversees vaccine research and review for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

The outdated vaccine, some of which expired Wednesday, will be incinerated. The amount, as much as four times the usual leftover seasonal flu vaccine, likely sets a record. And that's not even all of it.

About 30 million more doses will expire later and may go unused, according to one government estimate. If all that vaccine expires, more than 43 percent of the supply for the U.S. public will have gone to waste.

Federal officials defended the huge purchase as a necessary risk in the face of a never-before-seen virus. Many health experts had feared the new flu could be the deadly global epidemic they had long warned about, but it ended up killing fewer people than seasonal flu.

"Although there were many doses of vaccine that went unused, it was much more appropriate to have been prepared for the worst case scenario than to have had too few doses," said Bill Hall, spokesman for U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Most leading health experts generally agree with that.

Millions of doses of flu vaccine typically go unused every year and are marked for burning, but in recent years the leftovers amounted to closer to 10 percent of the supply, rather than the 25 percent expiring now. Government flu experts couldn't recall throwing away anything close to 40 million doses before.

The new H1N1 swine flu emerged in April last year, hitting children and young adults particularly hard. It was difficult to predict how deadly it might be or how easily it might spread. Federal health officials pushed five vaccine manufacturers to produce a vaccine as quickly as possible. What's more, they wanted a lot of it — many experts thought most people would need two doses for it to work.

The government placed three orders last year for a combined total of nearly 200 million doses — an unprecedented amount and almost double the amount of vaccine made in recent years for seasonal flu.

About 162 million doses were meant for the general public. Another 36 million included doses for the military and other countries.

But demand never took off, for several reasons:

—Tests of the vaccine soon showed only one dose was enough to protect most people.

—Much of the vaccine was not ready until late 2009, after the largest wave of swine flu illnesses passed.

—Swine flu turned out not to be as deadly as was first feared. About 12,000 deaths have been attributed to it — or roughly a third of the estimated annual deaths from seasonal flu.

So while people were waiting hours for swine flu vaccinations in some cities in October and November, by January local health departments were trying gimmicks to get anyone at all to come in for a shot.

Government officials have known for months that they were looking at a huge surplus. According to an Associated Press calculation based on federal purchasing information, the dollar value of the 40 million expired doses is about $261 million. The government didn't release an official figure, but Hall said the AP estimate was approximately correct.

In Europe, where nations also found themselves with millions of unused doses, some commentators have attacked the World Health Organization, which declared swine flu a global epidemic, or pandemic. The critics have questioned the motivation of some WHO advisers who had links to the pharmaceutical industry.

Some critics have simply lamented that a lot of anxiety was raised and money wasted, not just during the swine flu scare but also in government responses to bird flu and SARS, a respiratory virus that swept parts of Asia in 2003.

"Each time the so-called experts told us that millions of people would be killed worldwide by the respective viruses. We have learned that the experts were utterly wrong," said Dr. Ulrich Keil, a professor at Germany's prestigious University of Muenster and a WHO adviser.

"This behavior is irresponsible because the angst campaigns ... confuse the priority setting in public health," he said. The death toll from influenza epidemics is much smaller than the number killed annually by chronic illnesses like heart disease, cancer, stroke and diabetes, he added, in an e-mail.

Unused flu vaccine is a common problem. The June 30 expiration date is set by the FDA and has less to do with the vaccine's shelf life than the desire to tweak the recipe each year to protect against the three flu strains expected to cause the most illness.

"It's not necessarily because it's degraded or not potent," said Dr. Mark Mulligan, an Emory University vaccine researcher.

In the past year, about 114 million doses of seasonal flu vaccine were distributed. The government thinks most of that was used — demand was unusually high because of fear o swine flu.


Who didn't see this coming.. why didn't i invest in pharma stocks? D;
its me, tasteless,s roomate LOL!
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
July 01 2010 17:57 GMT
#2
Pff $250,000,000 is nothing, I couldn't sleep on my left arm for 2 days.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3685 Posts
July 01 2010 17:57 GMT
#3
Attack WHO as much as you want, but no one could know how dangerous the virus would be, and I'm glad WHO took a little too much precautions rather than not enough precautions.
Ecrilon
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
501 Posts
July 01 2010 18:02 GMT
#4
Better to be safe than...dead. While the waste is unfortunate, it is better than the alternative.
There is but one truth.
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
July 01 2010 18:05 GMT
#5
People knew exactly how dangerous this swine flu would be - NOT DANGEROUS AT ALL. Nearly as harmful as the regular flu, pharmaceutical companies advertised the swiner flu with scare tactics to make a ton of money on an unneeded vaccine.
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
Coca Cola Classic
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
266 Posts
July 01 2010 18:08 GMT
#6
definitely obama's fault. his embracing science and being an intellectual is doing more harm than good for this country. wasting 250million when we're in financial crisis!?!?!
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FraCuS
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1072 Posts
July 01 2010 18:09 GMT
#7
I never got my shot.

I'm healthy as a Bull
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Mutaahh
Profile Joined June 2007
Netherlands859 Posts
July 01 2010 18:09 GMT
#8
and this way humanity is his own worst enemy.
selling bullshit to themselves

ego is underestimated
I want to fly
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
July 01 2010 18:10 GMT
#9
There are worse things to waste money on.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
July 01 2010 18:11 GMT
#10
What's kinda funny is that if they had better advertisement campaigns for the vaccine, this wouldn't be an issue. All the vaccine would have been "used" and not many people would stop to think that it was a waste.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Cantankerous
Profile Joined May 2010
114 Posts
July 01 2010 18:13 GMT
#11
It's usually pretty hard to argue for either side since there seems to be a lot of misinformation going around.

The flu *could* have been dangerous. Potentially it could actually have caused a scenario like was seen during the spanish flu, which was disastrous. The mass vaccinations were not to protect the average person from inevitable death, but rather to protect us from the worst case scenario.

While the swine flu deaths were in a different target group than the seasonal flu, it was not at all dangerous to catch (although it made for a pretty shit week, let me tell you) - there is however, a case to be made for herd immunity.
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
July 01 2010 18:14 GMT
#12
If people are actually upset about this, it's really time to take a step back and find a little perspective.

You know, go look at like costofwar or something.
Oh, my eSports
Zerksys
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States569 Posts
July 01 2010 18:17 GMT
#13
I agree with the above posts. No one knew how dangerous the virus could have been, but at the same time, there was kind of a huge overreaction to the flu. I don't know if this was so for you guys in the areas that you are from, but where I'm from we started calling it the overreaction flu. There was really nothing to suggest that this flu was different from any other strain of flu. At the same time though, I respect the world health organization for putting people's lives ahead of profiteering.
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pheer
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
5391 Posts
July 01 2010 18:18 GMT
#14
That's $6.25 per flu shot. Whatever pharmaceutical produced and packaged these for the government made bank. Too bad this cost didn't include national distribution, because then they might have actually been shipped out where needed instead of sitting in warehouses.
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superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3685 Posts
July 01 2010 18:21 GMT
#15
On July 02 2010 03:11 Liquid`NonY wrote:
What's kinda funny is that if they had better advertisement campaigns for the vaccine, this wouldn't be an issue. All the vaccine would have been "used" and not many people would stop to think that it was a waste.

T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
July 01 2010 18:22 GMT
#16
On July 02 2010 03:05 nitram wrote:
People knew exactly how dangerous this swine flu would be - NOT DANGEROUS AT ALL. Nearly as harmful as the regular flu, pharmaceutical companies advertised the swiner flu with scare tactics to make a ton of money on an unneeded vaccine.

Lol? Thats what ppl said abt bird flu and now look at indonesia. The fatalities are ridiculously high cos of living conditions and the disease is still there and we are just incubating a stronger virus by not fixing it. But no1 batts an eyelid cos news doesnt see it as important.

And yeah i got reccommended to buy the stocks. But i had money in coal instead which worked out better
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-01 18:26:27
July 01 2010 18:24 GMT
#17
fucking joke country we live in. "hey lets make tons of this worthless vaccine because someone told us this new strain of flu is dangerous (even though there are new strains every year)"
but tbh, 260$ mil is nothing for a loss compared to the debt with everything else.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
July 01 2010 18:24 GMT
#18
North American Governments, systematically exploiting tax payers dollars to line the inside of private investors pockets since 1776.
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never_Nal
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica676 Posts
July 01 2010 18:25 GMT
#19
for those who understand spanish, and everyone understand numbers

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Dance.jhu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States292 Posts
July 01 2010 18:29 GMT
#20
I am going to buy the vaccine at 99% off and sell them under the table when swine flu 2.0 appears.
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