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On June 27 2010 11:12 JeeJee wrote: so if someone dies and believes L is guilty, how are they going to write his name backwards? <3 _| ftw thank god his name isnt like W or something | ||
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On July 02 2010 14:24 Korynne wrote: We can't just say that youngminii. Maybe /you/ would never let Zeks do that if you were the mason. But masons can talk to each other and they know more than we do as town by knowing each others roles so they might decide it's a good idea depending on what they know. Maybe one of them's a roleblocker and so they'll just roleblock zeks and see what happens and tell us the results tomorrow. You can't just say, oh masons would never do that. The whole point is that people kind of all do whatever, they don't really listen to you. I guess I'm finally starting to get it. Somebody is not going to like whatever plan whoever puts out, and if that person is the mason, and convinces the other mason. Well we would have zeks running around while everyone thinks he's a mason. I mean I'd say 80% chance he's mason, we just have to keep that 20% in mind if anything weird shows up. Also like I said, zeks, you should post an encrypted message in the thread, and give the key to your mason partner. If you die and we ever need to verify your partner, we will be using that key to do it. well i think at this point pretty much everone has seen the roleclaim, or atleast enough so one of the two masons would notice it? I couldn't see them be foolish enough to not call him out for it if it was a fake roleclaim because it would be far too easy of a kill. Though i suppose it could be a move from a town power role if he didnt want to get recruited? On July 02 2010 05:45 Bill Murray wrote: You all need to be with me on this one, last game I would have won for the town. you really need to calm yourself. All you did last game was attack people without any idea of what you were doing, or following through with any sort of conviction. I think you called out half the people in the game all on day one, odds are one of them is going to be red but it doesnt matter if you dont stay on them. Though if you're actually gonna do that here thumbs up On July 01 2010 13:25 Korynne wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2010 13:16 DCLXVI wrote: I don't think this plan would work very well. Even if we did have a roleblocker on our side and we declared a target for him/her, we could not guarantee someone as town for more than a day. The godfather could always recruit the roleblocked person the next night. Also, can the mafia choose not to kill at night? If so then the mafia could choose not to kill when the roleblocked player is townie so that the town lynches the townie the next day and throws off our numbers for a bit. I don't understand why you say that the mafia have to sacrifice a night kill to kill the roleblocked guy, he is only safe for a day unless you plan on having him roleblocked for the whole game. That would hurt if he/she was a blue role and the chances that we have a roleblocker drop each day. This method uses our lynches to find the mafia, but unless we find the godfather we are just fighting a losing battle. Keeping the mafia numbers down is good though, so there is merit to this strategy. I suppose the longer the town can keep ahead of the mafia the more the godfather will have to say and the easier he/she will be found. Man, do I have to explain everything 5 times before people get it? xD It's not to declare that person as town, it's to not waste lynches on townies. At that point, they are not mafia, so at that point, killing them is lowering town power. We want to keep as many people around as possible. If mafia chooses not to kill that night, then they wasted a night kill! So instead of killing someone they choose, they have to not kill someone, so that the person we chose dies. That sounds like a pretty friggin awesome deal to me. We vote to roleblock one person every night, and we vote to lynch that person if no night kill went on at night. So at most 1 person dies per day/night cycle, which prolongs the game which should be good for townies. We're not really using lynches to find mafia as much as like, forcing mafia+town down to 1KP. And we never let a mafia go unlynched unless it's GF. This is a perfectly awesome idea unless we have no roleblocker or roleblocker is mafia'd. so this is basically just slowing down how many townies we might mislynch by a day, and potentially if we get really lucky either stops recruitment or kp for the night and we find a red? But i thought that the later the game goes the worse it gets for town, and increases the red chance to win? However especially in the starting phase this seems like the most sound way to approach the game with no information because at this point it's just confused townies throwing around wild accusations that are no more useful than implementing something like this. | ||
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'oh noes more days gives gf more time to build' well really that's what we want cause when there's one mafia, we are doing nothing but guessing because he's not reacting differently than anyone else because he doesnt know anything different about anyone else. But as there start to become more reds, it will be more obvious who isnt attacking each other and there will be lapses because they have more information to go with to actually give real reads, not noob reads that alot of people seem to like. | ||
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On July 02 2010 20:14 Abenson wrote: My thoughts on the BM vs Korynne fight: I keep having a weird feeling that Korynne is the real GF, and BM is a townie/blue... But then again it's just a feeling/instinct and shouldn't be acted upon. well based on his play last game then this does line up with his townie style but you never know if that crazy bm has adapted to that! But seriously he's quite likely town at this point. It would be odd for korynne to suggest such a seemingly good plan and to be GF, unless there's magically some even better benefits for red? But I cant see them | ||
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other than that looks good i think. Good to keep track of this too because vote analysis is really important | ||
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On July 03 2010 01:02 lakrismamma wrote: Well he has the odds on his side for the first recruit. its 90 % chance that the player gets recruited so I think the godfather has just playe the odds and PM:d the mafia. yes the GF is not one of the roles that may pm, so he can't do this at all | ||
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And obviously if it does catch on reds are going to roleclaim as well and things are just going to get more cluster fucked. Besides the main flaw in that strategy is a dream catcher doesnt fill in the role of the person recruited it's " But if any blue role gets recruited by the mafia, you will be given a random blue role (Detective, Jailkeeper, Mad Hatter, Veteran, Roleblocker, or Coroner)." So that wouldn't tell you at all who got recruited... That or I'm not understanding how this would actually work and you're relying far too much on people not doing stupid shit | ||
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On July 03 2010 02:57 rastaban wrote: We really have to catch the GF though, even if we could lynch the new mafia 100% every day we would still lose since wouldn't ever catch the GF. Until he is dead killing mafia only delays the inevitable.the weird thing is that if we knew we had a mafia we would be better off roleblocking them and randomly lynching someone else since it would give us better odds on the GF. the hard part is it'd be perfectly fine for the gf to scum hunt almost as hard as we are. Obviously it wouldn't be a hunt for him, but if all he has to do to keep attention off him self is provide more 'evidence' against someone he knows is a recruit of his (obviously without slipping because if heprovides too much fabricated proof he might give himself up). Then all the better because he only needs to be keeping 1 mafia alive a night to keep the killing/recruiting rolling | ||
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On July 03 2010 05:27 DCLXVI wrote: I will not be modkilled, I have just been very busy. However, Elyas is very likely to be killed tonight whether it be by lynch or modkill. Do we want to use a lynch on him? would we rather have him be modkilled and cut down on the number of suspects? I don't know if we have enough information now to drag up a decent list of suspects so I am not sure of anyone else we want to lynch. Abenson just seems to be new to the game and afraid to post, so I don't like him as a lynch suspect either. Unfortunately, I have to leave now for 6 hours or so so I will not be able to see any last minute bandwagons. I don't really like any of the candidates, but I will vote abenson to make him post more(not that I will be able to see it in time) pretty hard to have real supsects when there's only 1 mafia member who has no more information than any of us do at this point. Hell there might not even be a mafia yet if the gf got unlucky. For the first day it almost always has to be the inactives because they're as good as dead anyways, but if we let them coast by they could come back into the game at some point (and especially in a game like this) we wont know exactly what that means. Or have anything to compare to based on changes over time etc | ||
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On July 03 2010 06:32 Hesmyrr wrote: Hmm, for better or worse ElyAs seem to be heading toward mod-kill. Changing my vote to Abenson; this should essentially be nice free double lynch. Is there any candidate for roleblock besides YI, Korynne, or esterban? Have you read none of this to understand why double lynching this early would be a bad thing? You're far more likely to hit a blue than a red if you're voting for no reason. Though I'm all in favour of pressuring inactive people to post more, but I'm not entirely sure if you're doing that or just bandwagoning on with some other people. It's always much better to actually post your reasons for voting for people, cause it could be interpreted poorly if you change without reason. | ||
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On July 03 2010 10:45 L wrote: Well we sure as hell can't lynch them night 1 as is, and we already committed to not lynching them immediately under the old plan. We aren't giving up the RB at all, either. It just becomes less exploitable. If the RB doesn't pull up a mafia, and chances are it won't, there's no need for the blocker to reveal himself day 3 either. That said, if we don't hit a mafia on or before day 3, run the math. I already did. We're put into a massive hole. so you're saying that with coroner(s) that we have their best timing would be for one of them to pop on night 2? I'm still confused if it's possible to have multiple of the same role before someone is killed, and if we have two of the same role like a coroner if they both pop it the same night or both roleblockers block the same person or something would one action be wasted? or would they be told to select another person/time or something | ||
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On July 03 2010 11:59 DarthThienAn wrote: His "role" could easily be townie. You read it as "blue" ^_^. nah the way you worded it definitely made it look like more than townie | ||
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