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L Is far less active than normal Citi.zen is less active than normal BM has made a few really odd plays (even for him) Between YI/BM/Korynne(ace now) one is highly like to be traitor, or just three people who can't agree. Will do something more concrete after work tonight, or if I can manage to get a well thought out post before it. | ||
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If a blue is recruited/or dies the dream catcher gets a random role. His OP states that it is only if a blue is recruited. So if Lakris' death post is truthful (ie hes not traitor/gf), we have to hope that a) there is another coroner or B) that whatever dream catcher (if we have one) hit that magical 1 in 6 chance of getting coroner. As such, any plans thought of from this point on should just ignore the possibilities of a coroner for now. Bleh what a fucked situation to walk into. | ||
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Sheesh. Give Ace and I a chance to catch up on this all. Till I agreed to sub in, I had not paid any attention to this game aside from seeing it up. On July 05 2010 14:26 Bill Murray wrote: voting abenson is a bad idea. I'm fine with lynching him, don't get me wrong, but who would honestly recruit abenson.... perhaps that would be a reason to actually do it, though. That's straight up WIFOM isn't it? To lynch on policy or to actually lynch someone who is scum... There is a difference in being scummy and scum. Abenson has actually been improving as a player, other than a misdeed here or a misdeed there. He reminds me of myself when I was his age + Show Spoiler + *LOL* I'm waiting to hear more from Ace and BloodyC0bbler. If they would get off of their IRC they might actually talk to us instead. I am saying this in all seriousness. They won't be sharing roles ( i don't think they do at least ), nor do I know if they talk about the setup, but I know they're friends. I'm sure they're talking, but i'm not sure if they're impeding upon the morality of the game. The fact that they aren't talking on here makes me believe that they honestly haven't been active. Ace is typically a chatterbox. BC is the one I'd be worried about more if he was Mafia. Ace would be if he made an off the wall play instead of playing straight forward like he did last game. I am worried about L, too, unless he is blue. Fairly certain he has a power role. The Mad Hatter might be better off getting himself lynched right now so that we can use his kill power (unless he has a bomb on me, in which case, what are you doing, you bloody idiot lol). If he hits the GF it would be huge. The goons or a traitor would be nice, but kinda gray. I would normally be against DT's claiming after getting a goon, but if you get one after this night it would help as it would not only take down their number but it would slow the growth of their KP which we need to keep going up as slowly as possible. I am fairly certain we have 2-3 DTs since they can't check night 1, they can be recruited, and we really need them in this imbalanced setup to even have a chance. the difference between 2 goons and 3 goons is one of ours dying in the night, is it not? That could be our detective... idk. The more information we have the more of an opportunity our hatter has. The Jailkeeper needs to continuously jail the person that they have already jailed. I'm assuming that they jailed zeks since he is a practically confirmed mason until there is a CC. Continue to jail zeks, ok? Roleblocker should go for a bigger name: Ace, BC, L, Chez, YellowInk Not a bad idea to mention as we join the game as well, I would in your position as well. The issue you will find for the first day or so at least is, Ace and I have 40+ pages of game to sift through, put thought into who we think is red, who is a potential GF, figure out the exact KP Formula that DTA is using and the like. Combine all that with the fact that this game is a cult style game, it will take us a bit longer to jump into this (or at least I assume he is in the same boat here). The issue you will find with offing the mad hatter now is well, We have no information on his kills. For instance, say he has both bombs placed. We lynch him, and two people die. We have no idea of their role or side. The easiest way to get the GF is via DT hit, or if we can snipe 1 or 2 reds and (if we are lucky) a coroner flips the dead and you get insight to how the GF is recruiting. Jailkeeper should keep locking up whoever they jailed, I would assume based on zeks roleclaim that it is him? Roleblockers and DT's get a fun job for as long as you are town. You get the fun of making lists every night with your ability. Dt lists are easier, as someone flips green/blue you shove em on one side, dead players on another, then you get the joy of finding reds. This is where it gets tricky DT's. If you say find 1 red, I would recommend keeping it to yourself. If you find 2 or somehow went rambo and found 3, reveal instantly, (2 is a preferable number) and town can double lynch, or hatters can drop bombs on them, etc.. Your job this game is alot harder than normal, as based on your level of play may require you to come out earlier with your information if you fear recruitment. Roleblockers. Everytime you block someone make a note of who you blocked. Next, make a note on night kills. You must use your ability to track Mafia KP. If hits are lower than they should be on a given night, you A) hit the GF B) hit a mafia dropping KP by 1 C) they hit a vet D) they held a hit for some reason Most likely they will not hold hits that often, as the longer the game plays out, the higher chance there is that they are discovered and the GF killed. As for your list of people to be roleblocked, I would add BM to that list as well, your being super super active. Would make the perfect recruit as you seem to be pushing things more than others. | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:22 youngminii wrote: Aww I feel honored. I also, feel huge townie vibes coming from the above post. I think Zeks was the one who mentioned "I posted a code and so my mason partner can claim when I'm dead by giving out the key which you can use at a website to decrypt" or something. Was probably a lot less confusing than that. Also, if the mason is being jailchained, I don't see any reason not to counter claim, seeing as they'll be protected. Even if they do have a blue role, they can claim and everything will be dandy. The whole roleblock thing I was talking about was the plan we decided to put into motion - Korynne's plan. And yesh, it's true I haven't played on TL but it's been like 3 days since Zeks claimed. I'm pretty sure a mason's been on since then. Hang on for the referencing part. From what I skimmed of her plan, It was far too full of holes to be properly instituted as people don't flip on death. | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:40 youngminii wrote: Thank you  As you can tell, I have not read everything in full | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:41 youngminii wrote: I completely agree and I argued the same things originally. However I was under the safe assumption that we had already decided to act upon the plan. Oh? I must have missed the common consensus of that agreement + I am seeing at least one person vehemently opposed to it. I will try to think of a better and more optimal plan if we must have one, but her idea is rocky at best in this setup. Combine in that if a roleblocker is recruited they become a mafia roleblocker, it is a rough role to rely on. | ||
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On July 04 2010 03:14 Korynne wrote: I will be away from mafia for a while, I don't know how long, dealing with personal issues and such. Please PM me if you want to make a modification to this schedule so I don't have to hunt through the posts. Thank you. From the mafia schedules thread | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:47 youngminii wrote: I think L proposed a plan where we come up with a list of 3 people to roleblock everyday and then the roleblocker takes it into their own hands each night. That seems a little bit more intelligent than her idea. | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:51 Bill Murray wrote: Our best plan is a jailed detective doing safechecks, or people double jailing each other and preventing mafia kp on each other imo Issue with that is you can't 100% prove they are a dt unless a coroner uses their ability. As no other DT can confirm the jailed one for legit. As it looks like we may have lost a coroner already (we most likely only had 2 at most, most likely 1) we may not be able to rely on that plan either. I would say if we could get a confirmed DT in jailed that would be perfect, but its hard to do. | ||
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On July 05 2010 16:06 Bill Murray wrote: I'm suggesting us roleclaiming so we can coordinate I do not see any other way for us to win. If we roleclaim, the godfather has to either claim a blue role or a townie he will likely claim veteran or townie, in fact. hatter would be his safest claim in most setups in my opinion, but not in this one. in this one, hatter kinda wants to blow up quicker if he wants the town to win, so his "safest" claim is veteran. IT could work except that you have to prove the DT before it works. You could theoretically have 4 people claim dt, and would basically have to choose who to believe to jail. A mass roleclaim can potentially lure people out, or put them in a hot spot to be caught, but without a coroner we are still screwed. (or we get really lucky lynch and notice mafia KP isn't rising). | ||
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(this will hopefully defuse the use of a coroner for the most part.) All town aligned members claim their role on death in the way that lakris did. (note that GF, traitor and any mafia dead will lie) Now DT's this is important for you to note. Everytime someone claims, you mark it in your list. As it stands now, we can most likely agree that unless we got lucky last night we are sitting on 1 GF, 2 Mafia, 1 traitor. This is 4 anti town of our remaining 17, giving town aligned of 13. You know your own role. You also know the role of 1 other person to a 99%ish ratio. That means out of 17 players remaining, you now have a list of 15 to check, 14 after todays lynch. After every check you make a mark on your list of whos blue/green and red. Keep this in mind as people die and Claim a role, add it into your spreadsheet under a seperate column. If we have a coroner and you get lucky, a fair bit of your list will be filled accurately, then you can a) reveal what information you have which the town can then act on b) more accurately pin down red/gf I will now try to figure out some way to confirm a DT + keep them jail locked. I would hope that one mason is also somehow a DT as that would make life simpler. | ||
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On July 05 2010 16:19 Bill Murray wrote: we might have 4 dts though lets hope none are paranoid or naive or whatever sucks He doesn't state that possibility and I don't think DTA is using hidden roles. I would assume all DT's at this point are legit, as any non sane dts would completely make this game mafia favoured. | ||
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On July 05 2010 16:21 Bill Murray wrote: we have 17? i thought we had 16. One dude got MKed. I also don't think they could check night 1. other than that this is good advice and practice. thanks for the advice on using DT BC. That is roughly my style of playing a DT and is how L, incog and I used my role in that one flamewheel game. A dt can easily sit back building information. There are obvious gaps in it, but DT's to me this game seem more as information gatherers than anything else. At the moment for deaths though is one lynch, a mafia hit, and a MK, after todays lynch we will have 4 dead. | ||
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On July 05 2010 16:22 Bill Murray wrote: "Detective You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night, starting on Night 2, " He makes no reference anywhere to sanity however I will be heading to bed soon, but I would strongly suggest people as they wake up to go look at the posts of people who have been semi lurking. With the 4th of july done and canada day done, we should be ignoring all excuses like "sorry social life called" as well, when you commit to a mafia game, you should be able to find some time in a day to play. I am keeping my vote on DCLXVI for now as out of every player in this game so far, he has rarely posted (at least to my memory) and seems to be rather under the radar. | ||
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On July 05 2010 16:23 Bill Murray wrote: and I'm counting 16 players I counted 17, ignore the line stroked names of korynne and thegilaboy as ace and I replaced them. Instead concentrate on the bolded stroked out names, which there are 3, 20 - 3 = 17. After todays lynch we have 16 :p | ||
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On July 05 2010 16:26 Bill Murray wrote: I endorse that sentiment. I feel as if he hasn't been doing anything at all. I hope he's our jailkeeper, if we have one, or our coroner, if we have a second one, and lakrismamma wasn't lying. Or he is the GF or mafia goon. Laying low in this game regardless of role only benefits the mafia. The less information we have to work with on analyzing players behaviour = more ground for red to hide in. We cannot let them do that this game. | ||
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On July 05 2010 16:32 Bill Murray wrote: The play you are endorsing in pressuring lurkers leads to roleclaiming, though, when near lynch. As a result, I do not see why you yourself are not pro-roleclaiming as your play is going towards Role claims aren't provable unless you die and a coroner flips you. IT can pressure the GF to claim, as well as the reds who are here, but it also gives the ability for mafia to snipe freely as it takes us much longer to prove who is who, and once we have a roleclaimed list, our jailer or jailers have to manage to protect the correct people. It causes alot of headaches for town side as well which is the issue. Also for DTA for clarification on one of the roles. For whoever got lovers, if Lover A is roleblocked, and B is hit, do both survive, or just Lover A? I am asking based off your OP on questions and making sure you didn't typo it | ||
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On July 05 2010 16:42 DarthThienAn wrote: Ah yes... English and its lack of gender neutral singular third person pronouns... A roleblocked, B hit, only A will survive. A roleblocked + hit, both will die. Edited the OP. Drat, there goes that idea. | ||
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