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I'm trying to figure out how a terran player can counter the recent strategy I've started doing that I found here. Every time I do this strategy against terran the terran ends up leaving(Idra style ^^) and I've played this strategy 50 times against different terran players, some times even in rematches and I never ever lost. Is there any known counter strategy to this? I never saw any strategy involving shield batteries in liquipedia so I couldn't find any counter to it.
I thought at first glance that any terran could easily counter this simply by building marines and tanks/vultures while repairing his/her wall but even the best terrans I could find(on b.net since I only have a Mac) couldn't beat this strategy.
Here is one rep of me using this strategy(randomly selected it out of the 10 I have saved).
![[image loading]](http://repdepot.net/img/thumbs/35034.jpg)
edit: sorry if I didn't follow the guidelines correctly(2nd strategy thread) but I tried to follow them to the best of my ability. I didn't think it would be considered a help thread since I'm the one winning and am trying to figure out how a terran player could counter this.
edit2: and as is shown in the link to creepcolony.com , this strategy is for both with and without proxy(with proxy I found to be a lot better since I end up with a terran that may not find me since he doesn't see any buildings,like in the rep shown).
edit3: and sorry about being an asshole in game lol. I didn't realize saying "GG?" was mean lol. I just meant to say "ur dead now and there is no way you can really win" really fast.
edit4: I tried uploading more reps of me on different profiles(not the Tribal Trouble one) to repdepot but they ended up being messed up when they got uploaded so I can't get more reps up but after I finish hw I'll try massing some more games using this strat.
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okay the toss a a total douche. hope that wasn't you or i will find you and slap you for offensive gg'ing. (oh it was you, dont be an asshole)
he had his factory timings okay, but the terran should know that pulling his scv's earlier isn't a crime. if he pulled it earlier, his wall would have stayed up for a longer time.
and when you see that many zeaels at your front door, put down a second factory and DONT GO FOR A FUCKIN TANK!!! pump the vults, with micro they rape zeals. then lay down a few mines. once the toss pressure is no longer viable, speed the vults, rape some probes and gg for the toss. another reason why 2 gating a terrran isn't the best idea.
the terran could have put down another bunker anyway. just to stall the vultures.
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Calgary25979 Posts
I haven't watched the replay but I can't see how this would beat any wallin. Do you think posting a BNet replay is the best evidence? Shouldn't you at least be playing on ICCup? Can you post more of your 50 wins?
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You claim a strategy is invincible by beating random b-net scrubs?
Any D Terran with a wall can fend this off.
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On May 04 2010 06:23 Chill wrote:
I haven't watched the replay but I can't see how this would beat any wallin. Do you think posting a BNet replay is the best evidence? Shouldn't you at least be playing on ICCup? Can you post more of your 50 wins?
I said in the OP that I have a Mac so I can't play on ICCup since the anti-hack launcher kicks Mac users every game.
edit: I still can't believe they didn't take the time to fix that >_<
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The anti-hack doesn't kick mac users, i can play iccup on my mac. You just have to play without the anti-hack. Although, this means playing anything above D+ will be hard since you'll probably be kicked. But then again, you won't win above there with this strategy.
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Any competent terran could find your proxy after seeing nothing in your base and pull scvs to repair wall even before you attacked because it was obvious cheese.
And protoss was such an asshole!
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On May 04 2010 06:39 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
The anti-hack doesn't kick mac users, i can play iccup on my mac. You just have to play without the anti-hack. Although, this means playing anything above D+ will be hard since you'll probably be kicked. But then again, you won't win above there with this strategy.
exactly. Although I've found plenty of players who are actually ranked at least C on battle.net.
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a zealot-proof wall can stop this easily.
even if you send a probe to kill the scv that is building the rax, he could always send another scv to kill your probe before you kill the scv.
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The "C ranks" on bnet are honestly probably people who have barely reached C- that want to feel better about themselves, hence the reason why they're on b.net. All terran has to do is finish his wall and that 1st zealot will die so easily.
You should try this on iCCup, or at least on asia server. Basically this is a 2 gate proxy with the exception that your 1st zealot will be stronger because of the pylon + shield battery, delayed because it's not proxied, but anything after that will be extremely weak since you just have one gateway.
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On May 04 2010 07:04 krndandaman wrote:
also, please don't gg for your opponent or assume its over. its just plain badmanner.
kk I'll remember this from now on. I guess a mod can lock this since I've realized that the player's I've been playing either 1) have been lying to me about ICCUP rank, 2) didn't deserve that rank or 3) you're all right and all b.net(version1) players suck.
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It should be assumed that a build is never invincible, otherwise it would be used all the time. Protoss cheeses vs terran at low level are ALWAYS hard to deal wtih, but they are handled much better by better terrans. You need to play better players and play on iccup.
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On May 04 2010 07:23 hyst.eric.al wrote:
It should be assumed that a build is never invincible, otherwise it would be used all the time. Protoss cheeses vs terran at low level are ALWAYS hard to deal wtih, but they are handled much better by better terrans. You need to play better players and play on iccup.
Its been stated many times that I can't play on ICcup because I don't have a windows computer, just a Mac and I've spent too much money getting a new Mac to get a windows cpu.
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On May 04 2010 07:31 3FFA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 07:23 hyst.eric.al wrote:
It should be assumed that a build is never invincible, otherwise it would be used all the time. Protoss cheeses vs terran at low level are ALWAYS hard to deal wtih, but they are handled much better by better terrans. You need to play better players and play on iccup. Its been stated many times that I can't play on ICcup because I don't have a windows computer, just a Mac and I've spent too much money getting a new Mac to get a windows cpu.
Then dual boot and play SC on your windows partition.
I play on a netbook that you could probably acquire [a similar model to] for $200 anyways.
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Damn, you don't even need a wall-in haha. 2 SCVS, floating rax and 1 marine, beats it all the time and will get your tanks in time and they can't even attack SCV. As Protoss I have tried to do this in a UMS game and its not like a DT attacking a turret under the EBAY with Hold Position. SCV's under a floating rax with a marine attacking the zealots makes it impossible. AI are freaking stupid.
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On May 04 2010 07:31 3FFA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 07:23 hyst.eric.al wrote:
It should be assumed that a build is never invincible, otherwise it would be used all the time. Protoss cheeses vs terran at low level are ALWAYS hard to deal wtih, but they are handled much better by better terrans. You need to play better players and play on iccup. Its been stated many times that I can't play on ICcup because I don't have a windows computer, just a Mac and I've spent too much money getting a new Mac to get a windows cpu. All I'm saying is that you should have realized alot of the better players are on iCCup and not hastily reached a conclusion without testing it against said better players.
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You won by chessing, not much to be proud of.
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Calgary25979 Posts
On May 04 2010 08:21 Divine[aX] wrote:
You won by chessing, not much to be proud of.
Ridiculously bad mindset.
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On May 04 2010 07:09 3FFA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 07:04 krndandaman wrote:
also, please don't gg for your opponent or assume its over. its just plain badmanner. kk I'll remember this from now on. I guess a mod can lock this since I've realized that the player's I've been playing either 1) have been lying to me about ICCUP rank, 2) didn't deserve that rank or 3) you're all right and all b.net(version1) players suck.
Stop trying to win people's approval. (also known as sucking up) That's not the case at all. I'm not good to even act like I know what the hell I'm talking regarding your gameplay, but what I can say is don't a jackass. I'm not talking about the gg at the end, I mean the start btw.
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