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Also, why wouldn't everyone put 1 as their second number? | ||
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I want Bill Murray to take Inventor and L's replacement to take Compulsive Vigilante. Foolishness will take Roleblocker. Seems to me that the Jack of all Trades needs to be monitored. It's just as powerful as Compulsive Vigiliante, if not more so. Since Korynne is on board, she could take that role. | ||
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On May 01 2010 19:26 Korynne wrote: I don't get why this is such a big deal. =( I'm worried about this plan Qatol. If Bill/L/Foolishness are mafia and just skip their designated thing or worse, pick someone else's then we're kinda screwed no? Like, if Bill picks compulsive vigilante, and then his mafia buddy later along the road picks up the inventor. We don't know who it is, and L can't get compulsive vigilante so we lose the double lynch... Bill acting funny has got me thinking and worried about this whole plan in general. But at least then we get to lynch Bill. One down, three to go. | ||
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If we know the inventor role is around and being used for anti-town purposes, we can get the other people on the top of the list to roleclaim and try to catch someone in a lie. Possibly catch another mafia. It seems like there is some risk here of putting additional power roles in mafia hands, but with the trade off that those mafia will be easier to find and lynch. | ||
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On May 01 2010 19:37 Bill Murray wrote: i don't know if i will take inventor, as I can't trust anyone (they have to give their gifts to someone) Just start giving out bulletproof vests. They help a town player much more than they help a mafia player, so it doesn't really matter who you give them to. Or invent something that will only help a town player.... I'll think on this. | ||
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Assuming BM is pro-town and follows the plan, does this make sense? Potential problems: Paranoid Doctors would cancel the inventors ability; the mafia will likely have additional KP Also, I think it likely that the mafia would hedge their bets when sending in numbers. Send in [3][1], [4][1], [5][1] and then a very high number which would be unlikely to be doubled up on(15-20). Not just the low numbers. BM, do you have any reason for not telling us your number? | ||
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What we cannot have happen is that the mafia land either of these roles, and we don't know who they are. Bill Murray, regardless if you ever even use the inventor role, you need to take it simply to keep it out of mafia hands. To do otherwise would be very anti-town. We will likely have two docs, so they can protect you from a mafia hit while you invent pro-town equipment and dole it out. But even if you get killed, you STILL keep the inventor role out of mafia hands, which is a huge boost for the town. If anyone has any argument against this please speak up. Just to be clear, to have either of those high KP roles in unknown mafia hands would be very painful for the town. | ||
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So basically, since I didn't get my role (not roleblocker or inventor, but something pretty important), someone else took it. On May 02 2010 18:11 Korynne wrote: If there are no better candidates at the end of the day I propose an alignment check on either BM or Foolishness, and a role check on me. Actually I'm not sure which one is better(which check to use on who)... I really need to sleep. xD Regarding your comment about johnnyspazz, it just seems to mean that Incognito didn't teach him very well. xP Why would we do a role check on you, when in your previous post you said you didn't get the role you wanted? I took this to mean that you did not get a role at all, but maybe I'm misunderstanding it. It seems like role checking you would be a waste for now, since you're basically claiming Vanilla. But, Korynne knows one of either BM or Foolishness has the powerful role she tried to take. Assuming you followed Qatol's plan, that would mean you tried to take compulsive Vig and didn't get it(the other 'important role' in my mind would be day vig). My guess at the moment would be BM with inventor, Foolishness with CompVig, and Korynne with nothing. The real question is, is it in our best interest to have the top few on the list roleclaim(if one of them tried to lie, it's possible Korynne would know right off), or does it make sense to see what happens night one and then decide. So if anti-town inventions start getting made, or 2 obvious townies get killed, we then call for a roleclaim. Whether we roleclaim or not, I think it makes sense to have our role checks and alignment checks focused on BM and Foolishness. Inventor and CompVig are going to have a huge impact on this game, so we need to know who they are, and what alignment they are. | ||
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Qatol mentioned earlier that we should vote on who the Comp Vig kills. This seems like a great plan, and if anyone has any objections then bring them out. If the role landed in townie hands, it allows us to come to a decision as a group, and effectively double lynch each day. It also takes the risk away of a townie with poor judgment shooting up the town. If the role is in mafia hands, either they play along(which is great) or they don't. If they don't play along, we immediately know that CompVig = Mafia. Since we know the CompVig is high up on the draft list, we can quickly zero in on a mafia. So no matter who has the CompVig, we should be able to control it by voting in thread for who gets killed. Any town player would play along(given it would be extremely anti-town to not) and the mafia either go along or get quickly weeded out. So lets add a ##CompVig: Ace## to when we vote(starting on Day 2). Again if anyone has objections to this lets hear it. The big fuckup I can see is if the CompVig somehow slipped down the list into mafia hands, but I think this unlikely. | ||
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Anyone have any issues with this plan? Also, no one wants to lynch you BM. That would be a terrible move for the town. | ||
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As far as the inventor goes. It seems like there are two possible routes. Protection from mafia(bulletproof vests) or Detective kits. With the mafia only at a KP of 1, and the SK being able to shoot through vests, detective kits seem like a much better option. If we can get a bunch of detective kits out and about, it will make us much more likely to win. Keeping in mind that we possibly have a completely useless alignment cop, and Zona's 5:1 claim, lots of dt kits are probably our surest way towards a victory. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be creative though. Ideally you would combine the two roles in a sweet-ass invention. Like some sort of security robot who can protect you at night and be sent out to investigate during the day. The robot could capture everyone who visits you at night and force them to reveal their role/alignment. Etc | ||
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If you want to go balls to the wall with the news that's fine, but it doesn't make it a good idea. It doesn't actually help us at all, certainly helps us less than the things i'm putting forward. You COULD create 'Fox News', which doles out faulty clues and we would never know about it. I'm proposing you invent something that is obviously pro-town, you're arguing for something that is ambiguous at best, useless at worst. Consider from our point of veiw. You're claiming Inventor, but none of us know your alignment. If you were mafia, this is exactly what you would try to do. Instead of inventing something directly useful for the town, you're inventing something that seems useful, but which can actually derail and misdirect. Do you see my point? | ||
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I realize if you were mafia you could just hit whoever you give them to, thereby nullifying the effects. But that's a completely acceptable outcome. It would render a potentially powerful mafia role useless. On the other hand, if you are town aligned, you would be spamming dt kits all over town and we would work our way towards figuring out everyone's alignment. With 2-4 dt kits out there in town hands, this game becomes a cake-walk. What you're suggesting does absolutely nothing for us. I realize you are probably not mafia, and if you are we'll find out soon anyways given that you will be among the first to be checked up on. But that doesn't mean your plan is sound. Stop thinking about whether i'm a townie or not, and just look at what i'm saying. | ||
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I think it's great that you're declaring your invention to the town, and great that you have a plan. I absolutely think the medics should be protecting you. I'm open to the option of creating a town circle around you. What I have issue with is the actual invention that you're putting out there. It's not necessarily bad, but surely you're open to the possibility that there might be a better day 1 invention for you to invent. What I think is anti-town, is the take-no-suggestions approach that you're using. Why not let us as a town figure out what the best action to take is, as opposed to simply saying, "It's gonna be the newspaper! If you disagree you must be anti-town!" How do you feel about letting the town have some say in your inventions and discussing the merits of different inventions before deciding? Also, to be clear, I was not imagining a one time use dt kit. I meant an invention that permanently gives someone dt abilities. | ||
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Looking through the thread, an obvious target has emerged. However, I'm assuming that no one has blatently lied so far about their role. Even if that's the case, we will quickly be able to find the liar. So for the moment I'm going to treat everyone's comments about themselves as FACTS. Facts: d3 and caller are dead Facts: Qatal, Korynne, Opz and possibly Falcynn(he's been a touch ambiguous) have no role Facts: Bill Murray is the Inventor and therefore Foolishness is the CompVig Facts: Someone took Copy Cat before Qatol, this person is likely mafia. Facts: Hobbes has a "fun, fun role", probably not Copy Cat, # Bill Murray - Inventor # Foolishness - CompVig # Korynne - VANILLA # Falcynn - VANILLA # [NyC]HoBbes - Fun Role(Not Copy Cat) # ~Opz~ - VANILLA # d3_crescentia - DEAD(Medic) # Caller - DEAD(VANILLA) # sidesprang - ?????Copy Cat????????? # Qatol - VANILLA Assuming these are all facts, we've just found a mafia! Of course, these are not facts, and someone could be lying. But this gives us a great place to start. Lets assume we lynch Sidesprang, 1 of 2 things happen: 1. He is anti-town. HOORAY! 2. He is pro-town. WHOOPS If he is pro-town, all of a sudden the finger has to be pointed elsewhere: 1. Qatol: He's lying about someone else claiming Copy Cat 2. Someone who claimed Vanilla is lying: Korynne, Opz or Falcynn 2a Both Korynne and Opz claimed they tried for CompVig(this situation needs to be analyzed closer) but it lends a tad of credibility. 2b Falcynn wishy washily claimed VANILLA without actually doing it 3 Hobbes actually took Copy Cat and then posted as a "fun role" to allay suspicion. This seems least likely; being high up in the draft he had no need to take Copy Cat. I think this is a great place to start. If I've made a mistake up to now someone please point it out. So, with Sidesprang as a suspect, lets look at his posting history On May 02 2010 00:31 sidesprang wrote: As i see no reason to not tell my number i picked 6 1(damn you qatol ). My reasoning is simple. Not to high not to low. Kinda trying to figure out what to pick, as since im so late a pick i kinda just want to get something, i dont get any of the really cool ones anyways. As to guessing what numbers the mafia picked, and apply some logic behind it, i think it would problably be as hard as to get a succesfull day 1 lynch. Atleast untill we catch one of the mafias On May 03 2010 11:26 sidesprang wrote: What we need to do is have a game plan. Vote on who the compulsive vigilante should kill, forces a mafia CV to play on our terms or look scummy. A doctor can also block this kill if we feel its needed. Many ppl have supported this idea and there is no drawback in using it. Decide what the inventor should invent, its hard to keep tabs on the inventor but that role is far to powerful to be left completely alone. And since the day post tells us what is invented we can figure out if he is lying. Bulletproof vests sounds awesome, our strength is numbers and reducing hits is a good thing. We should NOT talk about who should get the vests imo as that only makes the mafia not hit that guy. As for who to lynch is there a vote thread or do we just write it like qatol did ? if so ## vote : Amnesia if you check his post he made one post right after getting our alignment and one post right after getting our role where he said nothing of worth. Seems like he follows the game but won't say anything. Might not be too fishy but I don't know what else to go after at this point. Hmm, only two posts of any substance, and only 4 posts the entire thread. Both posts read like scum if you ask me. First post has a lot of words but little substance. Second post is mainly regurgitated obvious pro-town stuff, with a vote for the most inactive person. Also, Amnesia does NOT look fishy, he looks inactive. Now whether you are or are not Mafia Sidesprang, your actions and the claims of others paint you out to be one. Once again, this is a starting point folks. ##Vote Sidesprang ## | ||
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Originally I was going to propose ~opz~ or Falycnn. As I thought they would be most likely to be lying about CopyCat if Sidespring flips green, but looking closer I don't think it likely that either are lying. I really believe that Sidesprang WILL flip red, and at this point I think if he flips green we hit Qatol. BUT, I don't think we should hit Qatol until we find out Sidesprang's alignment. Which means we shouldn't use our CompVig hit on Qatol. Honestly, I don't think Qatol is mafia either at this point. If the Day Vig hit Sidesprang today, that would make this easier. If Sidesprang flips green, we start hitting the people who claimed VANILLA. Worse case we kill VANILLA townies, best case we hit mafia. If Sidesprang flips red, we celebrate and move on. Obivously we don't want to waste our DayVig, but this seems like a decent time to use it. If people disagree please voice it. However, our DayVig is likely near the top of the list, which means they might not live long anyways. Hobbes, I think you're the DayVig, and I also think it likely you will be targeted soon. You're one of the few people at the top of the list who has a role. You are not the Inventor or CV so you won't get medic protection. Lastly, you claimed a 'fun, fun role' which makes you a mafia target. I'm kinda hoping you actually chose Meth Man and then posted 'fun, fun role' in an effort to get yourself hit by mafia. If so you're awesome. But if not, you need to use you're ability while you still can. Please speak up people, I think my reasoning here is sound, but I'm open to other suggestions. | ||
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On May 04 2010 22:33 citi.zen wrote: This possibility is pretty bothersome - we may learn less than advertised by lynching Sidersprang. That said, I would like to hear more from Qatol, he's sort of gone dormant after being very active early on. More importantly Citizen, Are you going to vote Sidesprang? We learn a lot more with him than anyone else at the moment. If he flips green, we KNOW someone has lied and we have the likely candidates of ~opz~, Qatol and Falcynn. Think about it though, Sidesprang is the perfect distance down to pick CopyCat. Not high enough to get a great role, and just high enough to beat out Qatol. The perfect spot to take that pick if you're mafia and have 4 slots. | ||
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On May 04 2010 22:52 Falcynn wrote: Alright, I guess I should clearly state, I'm a vanilla townie. I decided not to make mention of it since . Was preparing for/doing this on Friday/Saturday http://www.filmracing.com/Cities/sanfrancisco.htm and missed the role claims because of it. I'll make a blog of it Thursday night/Friday since we're not allowed to upload our video until after the screening (yeah, this is really more to just get attention for my future blog post then to actually explain myself  )Anyways, as for lynching sidesprang, you're logic seems pretty sound, I guess at this point with all the information that's been gathered, it'd be nice to make sure whether or not everyone at the top of the list has been telling the truth about their roles. If we can get a day vig hit then that might help, although I'm not sure if we'd be able to figure out another lynch target and pile the votes on them in time. It'd suck to essentially waste a day vig hit by not getting the lynch to add to it =/ If we DayVig sidesprang and he flops red, then yeah it might be difficult for us to find another target. But if he flips green, then the dayvig hit becomes extremely useful because we would then hit our potential liars, and save ourselves a ton of time. Remember, we need to vote on a CompVig hit as well. Without the DayVig hitting Sidesprang, our CV hit is very difficult to aim. If the DayVig doesn't shoot Sidesprang, we need to vote on a Compvig hit anyways. Or we just leave it up to Foolishness' judgement. I'd much rather us vote on it though, as then we can at least see if he's following the town. Of course, odds are the compvig hit will end up a townie anyways, so a mafia CV would follow it too, but still better than not voting. | ||
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