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In the event players picked the same 2 numbers I will dice role to see who goes first. If 2 players pick the same number, but a third player picks a different number, are the 2 players shoved to the back of the line? (This is the scenario where all 3 players picked the same first number) | ||
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On April 24 2010 07:21 Ace wrote: oh you mean like: [3][4] [3][4] [3][7] ? In this case the players that picked [3][4] end up picking after the player that picked [3][7]. Is this what you mean? Yeah, that's it | ||
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On May 01 2010 14:09 Qatol wrote: Okay, fun time. I've been doing some thinking about the game setup and have some thoughts for the town going forward: The first major item of note is this: + Show Spoiler [Vanilla Scum] + You are Vanilla Scum! The ability to kill 1 player per night belongs to you. One of you must PM me a kill for the night even though all 4 of you participate in the kill. Remember you can coordinate your # picks during the draft phase. The Mafia team this round consists of: Jack, Jill, this bottle and my ecstasy pills! You win when you outnumber the town, or there is no way for them to stop you from outnumbering them. This tells us 2 things: 1. The mafia only have 1 KP in a game with 19 players. They also only have 4 members. Why is this important? With all the rolecheck abilities out there, the mafia are unlikely to stand much of a chance unless they get some very powerful roles. 2. The mafia team knew who each other were during the draft phase and were allowed to communicate with each other during said phase. Assuming they talked to each other at all, they did not overlap with each other. These 2 points lead us to a pretty simple conclusion: The mafia made sure they have very low numbers and their numbers were probably consecutive in order to guarantee that they would wind up with powerful role choices. I wouldn't be surprised if they did something like: [3] [1] [4] [1] [5] [1] [6] [1] in order to avoid overlapping with the town as much as possible while still keeping near the top. I think it is unlikely that they bid a [1] [1] or even a [2] [1] just because they were worried the town would also bid those numbers. Bill Murray already claimed he bid [1] [1]. I wouldn't be surprised if this was actually the case. I think L probably bid [2] [1] hoping that people would stack on 1. The people I'm looking at right now are these people in particular: 3. Foolishness 4. Korynne 5. Falcynn I strongly believe that 1 or 2 of them are mafia. They are also likely to go for the roles the mafia will rely upon for the game. Remember that aside from the Copy Cat (which would be a risky role for the mafia to take), if the mafia want a role that gives them additional KP, they are likely to take it with these picks. I'm specifically thinking that the mafia here will be targeting Jack of All Trades, Day Vigilante, and Vengeful Player. Keep these 3 players in mind for later. I also propose that people announce something: whether or not you moved down and what you bid. Why would you do that and why would it matter? Because it gives us an idea of what range people bid in. Remember, we want to piece together who bid what because the mafia did not stack numbers on top of each other. I realize that the mafia can lie about this, but it really doesn't matter. If they lie about their bidding numbers, then the town has an opportunity to catch them in a lie based on who else bid that number. If someone moved down, they are placed in a group with the people around them. When you find a mafia in that group, it increases the level of trust with the people around you. With this in mind, I would like to announce that I moved down. I bid [6] [1] thinking that the mafia might try for consecutive numbers starting between 2 and 4. That would mean that they would end between 6 and 8. I'm almost positive I overlapped with one of the mafia. This means that we should also be looking very hard at: 10. sidesprang 12. JeeJee I confirmed with Ace that this situation: A - [3] [1] B - [3] [1] C - [5] [1] D - [5] [2] will result in: A and B are ordered randomly, C, D. The second tie does not move you down a second time. This means that anyone who moved down yet is still above me bid at least a 6. Everyone below me moved down AND bid at most a 6. If you bid between 3 and 5 and moved down, it is especially important that you speak up. Why am I coming forward with this information right now and not after roles are selected? Because I want the town to deny the mafia the most powerful roles or at the very least control their use. We can't stop the mafia from taking roles to increase their KP, but we can still control who gets what role and try to keep the mafia away from the 3 most important ones: Inventor, Compulsive Vigilante, and Role Blocker. Why are these roles especially important? The first 2 provide the mafia with kill power EVERY NIGHT. The third one allows the mafia flexibility to get around this plan. Therefore, I want Bill Murray to take Inventor and L's replacement to take Compulsive Vigilante. Foolishness will take Roleblocker. Bill Murray, you will be making meth bombs (if Ace allows it) or at least bulletproof vests for people every night. The day post will confirm that you followed these directions. This way you cannot give the mafia additional kill power. L's replacement, the town will be directing your shots. We will vote during the day on your hit. Foolishness, you will not be roleblocking anyone. If anyone claims to be roleblocked, we will immediately lynch you. Roleblocks are much stronger for the mafia than they are for the town. I would just as soon nobody get them. tl;dr: Look hard at these 5: 3. Foolishness 4. Korynne 5. Falcynn 10. sidesprang 12. JeeJee Claim your numbers. Revealing this information does not hurt the town but does hurt the mafia. Bill Murray, L's replacement, Foolishness: you have additional instructions. Read them. Did anyone else interpret this post as "waaa I'm upset that I was outsmarted by all these people and ended up low on the draft list waaa"? I indeed picked 1,1, meaning L picked 1,1 assuming BM isn't lying. | ||
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On May 02 2010 04:25 Qatol wrote: Lots of stuff to comment about: Thanks for the vote of confidence. You had better pick roleblocker. Is there a good argument why we shouldn't? I haven't seen one so far. Let me just say, that I highly doubt you would have posted all this stuff if you had wound up 1-5 on the list. Why do you fail to incriminate yourself in your analysis of what the town should do? On May 01 2010 14:09 Qatol wrote: tl;dr: Look hard at these 5: 3. Foolishness 4. Korynne 5. Falcynn 10. sidesprang 12. JeeJee And it's funny that you're number 11 on the list. According to your analysis, you are just as suspicious as anyone on that list, yet you fail to say so. And can you remind me why you picked 10-12 to "look hard at"? It seems arbitrary and a way to deflect attention off yourself (I may have missed it in your post if you already said so). And why do you neglect BM and L in this list? As far as we know, they both picked 1,1 with me. My guess is you're trying to butter them up so they listen to your plan. We all know how sensitive BM and L are; if you incriminated them they probably wouldn't listen to you at all (and it's kinda funny how BM doesn't want to listen to you anyways). | ||
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Now we can tell the inventor to give someone bulletproof vests or whatever, but it'll be near impossible to know if he's actually going to do it, since he can invent whatever he wants. And it'll be very unlikely we catch him if he's got his own agenda. Say for example, he's giving guns to people and killing more people during the night. He can blame it on the SK or the Jack (and maybe the jack would counterclaim he didn't, but it'd still be messy). I am not in favor of sacking a person to figure out alignment. First off we don't even know if there even is an alignment cop (it's reasonable to assume there is though). Most importantly, there's only 1 alignment cop in the game. In past mafia games I've seen, when cops didn't know their sanity, plans like this worked well because there'd be multiple cops (3 usually), and they'd all be able to figure out their alignment (or at least get close to it). With only 1 cop, it seems a waste of time to try to agree on someone to lynch in advance. On May 03 2010 06:36 d3_crescentia wrote: Why shouldn't we make Bill and Foolishness claim? Should one of them be the CompVig, we lynch him and put that power into Qatol's hands. Our Medic protect can then go on the remaining guy. The Tracker can then follow Qatol on Night 2 and report if he saw two visits from Qatol. I suppose the Mafia can always refuse to use their NK if Qatol's gunning for them. I think it goes without saying that claiming early always benefits the mafia. Although it's quite easy to read between the lines in this game -_- | ||
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On May 03 2010 08:25 Korynne wrote: Inventor and Compulsive Vigilante are NOT easy to keep track of. As in, if Foolishness and BM are not said roles but are instead mafia, they can easily pass the roles to someone else and that person will carry out the roles (as town directs them to). We definitely must check them for alignment. Now looking at it this way, it feels like Qatol's plan was a terrible idea. Dx Did you read my post? How is compulsive vigi not easy to keep track of? If he/she doesn't kill who we vote on, we lynch him. Everyone keeps saying he's deadly in the hands of the mafia but the only way he is is if the town is in a "need to lynch mafia or game is over" scenario (or close to it I guess). Otherwise compulsive vigi is just giving the town a double lynch. Yes, if the compulsive vigi is mafia, we don't have much way of knowing, but there are far worse concerns right now. Inventor can pretty much do whatever he wants. Qatol wants him to give bulletproof vests to people. I'm all for that. However we only get to know the invention, and not specifically how it works. A clever inventor can think up something which may look beneficial to the town, but could be helping the mafia. | ||
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On May 03 2010 15:04 Bill Murray wrote: i am inventing a newspaper for clues to be in the day post That is the most epic post I've read in a long while | ||
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On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: I have a slightly different stance: Do not claim unless you have something to contribute. My claim told us that the copycat is likely in mafia hands (or at least a townie working against the town). Korynne's claim was important too because it told us that someone in the first 2 players is playing against the town. Just giving us your role isn't important or useful. You need to be able to give the town important information by roleclaiming. Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to post something like this...although I kinda already did in an indirect stance. At the very least, if someone can give me a good reason why I should be upfront about my role I'll gladly say something. But I don't see any reason. I think people are REALLY overlooking the fact that almost anybody could be lying about what role they have. Has anyone ever thought that Qatol lied about taking the copycat and is in fact some other role? Personally I don't think it's true, but all options must be considered. I just find it so hard to believe that so many people near the top of the draft did not get a role. It seems so unbelievable, especially when you know a few roles are going to get grabbed by the top few players (it was even discussed in Qatol's plan in the thread). When you could easily snag any other role why go for one of those? Opz says he picked his role without reading the thread. That's garbage in my opinion. sidesprang still looks fishy, but when he says someone is definitely lying, I can't help but feel for him. Again, I'm not saying anything about my role unless someone can provide good reason. As I believe there are huge incentives to lie, I think that myself claiming could only distract from what needs to be done. At the same time, it seems that everyone is blindly believing what everyone says about their role, and I think you all should consider things from my perspective first. What if I had listened to Qatol and took the roleblocker, do you really think I'm going to come out about it now? That'd be a shit storm. If I waited a day or two, then my position could become more believable depending on who dies and who we find is mafia. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: Your plan for voting on CompVig kills is solid, except I think we should be doing it during the night. Often the lynch gives information. I'd rather make that kill when I'm as informed as possible. As you said earlier, Korynne probably tried to take CompVig. It was the role we assigned to her. I would be very surprised if she tried to take anything else. This means that CompVig is somewhere in the first 2 roles. I'm more worried that Inventor slipped. I approve this message, however given the inactivity of voting yesterday (I think more people did NOT vote than actually voted...) I don't recommend this. Obviously if something big comes up and it's really clear that we need to change who the CompVig hits, then sure. Otherwise we should pick during the day. And speaking of which, that needs to be decided upon as well as the lynch today. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: On May 04 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I have just been informed I would have to only give my newspaper to one person. I had considered this, and as a result I will be inventing someone else like a gun to give someone. I am not 100% sure what it will be yet. Okay, Bill has just confirmed that he has taken inventor. I don't see how this confirms anything. Have we not considered BM is lying about being inventor? Does this idea not seem so far fetched? Remember this is BM we're dealing it. Imagine this scenario: instead of finding out the inventor made a cell phone, we find out the inventor made a life-vest or something. Of course we're going to be like, ...wtf at first, but then we see BM makes a post right under of "sorry guys, I realized that my plan to form a town circle wasn't going to work, so I went and did this instead, since it was discussed in thread". I'm pretty sure the general reaction to everyone would be "ughh....Bill Murray..." and that'd be the end of it. Yet if anyone else tried that I'm sure they'd be under heavy pressure right now, and they'd be first candidate for lynch. Ya'll think BM is really this stupid? I've played enough games with the guy to know he's not. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: 2 things of note: 1. The invention of a cell phone. This does NOT confirm Bill Murray's innocence yet. There is still a mafia use for a cell phone. Cell phones are frequently used to detonate bombs. If we start seeing bombs given out, then the inventor (probably not Bill) is mafia. Otherwise, the inventor (Bill) is innocent. This kinda seems contradictory with what you said above, but yes. I wrote my spiel above before I saw this. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: How about we day vigi Sidesprang and then look at lynching Foolishness? That's great and all except we're trying to lynch mafia, not townspeople. On May 05 2010 06:54 Qatol wrote: Oh another thing I want to know: was anyone roleblocked last night? We need to know if there is a roleblocker out there. Ace said he will PM the person if they got roleblocked, irregardless if they have a role or not. I don't think revealing if you got roleblocked means anything unless you're obviously town, which is nobody at this point. You also said roleblocker can choose to not roleblock someone. Considering you wanted me to pick the roleblocker and do exactly that for the entire game, maybe that's what happened during the night. On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: Falcynn seems scummiest to me. The compusive vig is interesting because people really want to see what happens with it, but why I can't say. If the mafia has CV as well as day vig that's a lot of KP that's going to be pointed our way. I also don't really see how the CV is that beneficial to the town. Sure, it's like a double lynch, but this isn't a big game and the mafia KP is very small. Why is it good to double-lynch all the time? Better than having it in mafia hands, I guess, but I don't see it as that good a thing. I do like having a CV-directing discussion because there's also a serial killer out there as well. The thing about the serial killer is that he wants to help town until the very end. Perhaps he'll start targeting townies if we get a few mafia really early, but that's the only reason why he'd try and kill town (unless the tracker is discovered). He'll lose if the mafia win, so he needs to kill mafia, and he needs to kill them first. We should be talking about this right now. As far as I can see it, sidesprang is dead unless he posts again. Until that time let's figure out who else to kill. If you think sidesprang's alignment should influence who we kill at night, say so and give people to kill in each situation. If Amnesia is not going to get modkilled, I vote him. While he's a good candidate to lynch, I feel like using the CompVig to kill inactives is safer (more so because we can all agree on it. I don't want to be in a scenario where the town is 50/50 on deciding who the CompVig is to hit because that more or less leaves it up to the CompVig to decide, which is bad in the event the CompVig is mafia). On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: I don't see how killing Sidesprang gives any great information. If he flips green then someone in the top ten is lying? Yeah, I could have told you that without lynching him, since I can tell you that right now. Multiple people in the top ten are lying, all the vanilla claims should have made that obvious. While looking at the numbers is interesting and all, talking about mafia taking the same numbers and the like is silly. It's especially silly as a defense. People could, y'know, be lying about their numbers. All that being said, Sidesprang still does look suspicious, and it'd be nice if he posted. If sidesprang doesn't post more than we should definitely lynch him. His defense means nothing if he doesn't follow it up. Personally, I think if there's a dayVigi they should wait until later on to use their kill. On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: Bill never explained what that phone was supposed to do, did he? Nope. But even if he gave some wavy explanation, you'd totally believe him like everyone else right? | ||
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On May 05 2010 08:59 Korynne wrote: Also flamewheel it's okay, apparently everyone on the internet is assumed male unless proven. xP But seriously Foolishness if you are town, you should claim either compvig or not compvig. If I was mafia and I was lying, then I would already know you are not compvig. If I was mafia and telling the truth, and BM is mafia with me, then I would already know if you are compvig. If I was mafia and BM is town, then I doubt BM has the coordination to pull off another townie pretending to be inventor instead of him. If I was town, and mafia knows I'm town, then they know that I'm probably telling the truth, and they will know you and BM's role. So telling us whether you are compvig or not compvig only benefits town. So basically, if you claim compvig, everything's okay for now other than wtf why did you steal my role. If you claim not compvig then you and BM are under heavy scrutiny (or at least will be when I am revealed town). Have you not read anything Qatol or I have said about NOT claiming as claiming only helps the mafia? I said in my post, I will claim if it is necessary and bring impertinent information to the town. Right now me claiming does no good, so I'm not going to. You can be upset that you didn't get your role (if you're even telling the truth here), but that doesn't mean you have to force me to claim and help the mafia (but who am I kidding, you already did that yesterday, great job there btw). On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote: Yay another person trying to "subtly" poke holes in my credibility. Having fun over there with your buddy ~OpZ~? Why do you care so much about this fact? Why are you putting so much emphasis on YOUR credibility? Nobody other than yourself knows that you are innocent (unless someone checked you or something), and yet you expect us to just blindly believe everything you say? You're sounding more and more like BM as the game goes on. You're honestly expecting everyone in the town to just believe everything you say. Saying this is what is causing me to doubt your credibility, not anything else you say. Furthermore, my paragraph in which I said those things had NOTHING to do with your credibility. It was about people lying in general, and I just picked you as an example. There are huge benefits in this game to lying about what role you got or what numbers you picked, no matter what side you are on (I can clarify this point if need be). I'm trying to raise this point up because people are just believing anyone is saying. At this stage in the game, some things are not adding up right with what everyone is saying. Somebody has to be lying, somebody who's talking a lot probably. There are things left unsaid that need to be answered (what did BM's invention actually do?). Opz wants to kill me and you're calling us buddies? o.O On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote: Except you have something to contribute. If you took anything other than CompVig, you should have already roleclaimed because then we have a confirmed mafia in the first 3 players. Which is what I'm skeptical about when I mention this. In any other mafia game, it's not very well in a townspersons' interest to lie about their role. In this game it is very well in their interest. You claimed you picked copycat and didn't get the role. What I think is equally as likely (I'm not accusing you) is that you picked some other role instead. Let's assume for a moment that you are town. Given how much you emphasized in the thread you were taking copycat, it goes without saying that probably nobody below you picked it (and thus can't counter confirm your choice). Then after the picks were done you said in the thread, "hey guys I didn't get my role...wtf" (I'm paraphrasing obviously). Now the mafia think you're a green townie and won't bother hitting you. If you picked a good town role (a cop, medic, tracker, or something) you're in a great position to just do your thing for the next few days. What I'm trying to say is, even if I come out with information that says "hey guys...either BM or Korynne is lying", that doesn't necessarily mean one of us is mafia. On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote: Really? You think Bill would lie about taking the inventor role? Here's the thing: If he's innocent, it doesn't help the town for him to lie about his role. It just makes us lynch people around him whether or not we actually have solid reads on them. I would hope that he is smart enough to see that. BM said before the picks went out that he didn't even want the inventor role. I think it's possible that nobody on the list picked inventor. Or if you're lower on the list, you picked inventor and got it, would you really come out and say so? Maybe, but if I was low on the list, and was actually the inventor, I'd be very very very scared about claiming. Hell I had second pick on the draft and I'm scared to claim as it is. And you're 'if' statement there says "If he's innocent,...". What if he's not? I'm just trying to account for all possibilities here, because it seems to me nobody else is. On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote: Actually, that is wrong. Either you are town and legitimately got roleblocked (telling us there is a mafia roleblocker out there) or you are mafia and did not get roleblocked (telling us that there is no mafia roleblocker out there). I'd like to be able to figure out which of these cases is the truth. I'm kinda confused by this. What I originally meant was that claiming you got roleblocked says nothing of whether you have a special role or not. You mention that either a town or mafia member could claim to get roleblocked, and what I was saying is that if someone claims to get roleblocked, it doesn't reveal much information. This would only help later in the game if they died or if someone had checked them or something. On May 05 2010 10:08 Korynne wrote: Or actually, correction, stop trying to lynch me because you think I am mafia. It is perfectly legit to lynch me to confirm what I say about Bill/Foolishness. No it's not, we don't have time to waste like that. Lynching you to confirm what one of BM/me is says nothing about who's mafia (other than you cause you're dead and we find out). Also, that kinda talk is mafia like (the whole "fine if you don't believe me, just go ahead and kill me, then you'll see). | ||
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On May 05 2010 11:14 Qatol wrote: Maybe I want credibility because I'm sick and tired of being ignored? (notice how early I tried to focus on a lynch on day 1 yet we still managed to have a no lynch? People didn't even really argue about it? They just focused on the roles and didn't even worry about the lynch.) (additionally, notice that nobody other than opz has even mentioned that analysis of johnnyspazz - how is the guy this slippery when he isn't even posting?) Anyways, I'm done with this. Just don't stop reading my posts. If you disagree with the logic in them, point it out like Zona did earlier. Dismissing them out of hand or saying that I am expecting you to just follow them does not help anyone. If you aren't persuaded, tell me why. Please clarify your point about why you would want to lie about your numbers if you're innocent. Yeah, after thinking about it, I don't think there's any reason to lie about your numbers, especially now that the draft's far over and we kinda have an idea of who's what. I can be sympathetic of you being tired of being ignored. However first day you were here early, then you just disappeared for a long while, which didn't help your cause (yeah I know you were sick, but if you hadn't been and had been around during this time we'd be in a much different position about you methinks). And contrary, I haven't dismissed any of your posts, more of I'm questioning your attitude. I'm not persuaded because it seems to me you're taking up a BM attitude here: "guys, it's obvious I'm greener than grass, you should listen to me". Frankly, it's not obvious to us (although your constant activity right now helps). That's why I kept mentioning of thinking things from everyone's perspective, and to think of all possibilities, however ridiculous. As for Jspazzz, I will agree on your point that he is filler-posting and has yet to make a contribution of his own. Looking through past games quickly, I'd say he's about as active as during BM's game (a little less maybe) and about as active as during flamewheel's game. Both times he was green. I'll need to look through more games for a better consensus on that. If nobody has any better idea on who the CompVig should kill then we should go with that, especially if Amnesia gets modkilled. On May 05 2010 11:14 Qatol wrote: I'll reserve my judgment on this until I see the first CompVig hit. But if they aren't following the town, you NEED to speak up. And I think that it is impossible that nobody picked the inventor because we saw a cell phone made. After Bill said that he was trying to make a town circle and something about being able to PM on day 4. After Bill was talking about making a town circle. It sure seems to me like he has the role or is working with the person that has it. And yes, if I were the one with the inventor role, I would roleclaim. Why? because it means we have found someone actively working against the town (Bill). Right, my bad on that, there must be an inventor. However, if BM didn't take inventor and it fell into the mafia hands, they might have incentive to keep quiet about it. And I still say BM could have picked a cop with a "i'm going to win this game for the town when i come out with all this information day 3!!!!" attitude. On May 05 2010 11:14 Qatol wrote: All I want to know is whether we have a roleblocker out there working against us. Personally, I'd like to know what the mafia can do. Maybe it won't matter, maybe we wind up in a situation where we should have a DT roleclaim while we drop our medic on them. I'd like to know if that is an option. Fair enough. | ||
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On May 05 2010 11:33 johnnyspazz wrote: ##Vote Sidesprang## after reading through everything, i agree that sidesprang would be a good lynch target why aren't people using the compvig vote idea that was brought up earlier in the game? I was against it given the inactivity of the town day 1. Day's almost over anyways, might as well start discussing it now. | ||
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On May 05 2010 12:01 johnnyspazz wrote: funny you should say this because i didn't even play in flamewheel's game flamewheel's TL mafia XX | ||
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On May 05 2010 12:02 Qatol wrote: The reason I'm taking this attitude is because I want people to think for themselves and realize that what I'm saying makes logical sense. The only true leap of faith I've asked of anyone so far was that I tried to take and didn't get copycat. I realize that this one is a leap of faith which I'm hoping my behavior will speak for. Other than that, I am hoping that my posts make sense from a logical point of view. Have I said anything else which you think requires a leap of faith? It means that the logic hasn't come through entirely, and that should be rectified. I'm not entirely sold that you picked copycat. Assuming you did pick copycat, I'm not entirely sold that someone else got the role before you (in other words, you really are the copycat). Neither of these points necessarily means your mafia, I realize. In my second game of mafia, I called out 4 of the 6 remaining mafia right before I died, with, from my perspective, ample evidence to warrant lynches (I also correctly identified all the remaining blues). All those mafia survived until the end. I know what it's like to be ignored, that's why I'm responding to all your posts like this. | ||
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On May 06 2010 06:24 DarthThienAn wrote: It makes sense for the medic to protect him - mafia still have a hit. But not multiple medics - the only reason why he would need more than one is if he's worried that, if Foolishness if mafia, they'll try to do a trade? Which doesn't sound unreasonable since the Inventor is such a powerful role. But I kinda feel like this would be a bad trade for us - considering the number of vanilla claims that have gone through, I feel like the town is short on roles, so having the Inventor is really important imo. You really think the town is short on roles given the huge list of town roles to choose from? (There's definitely a few roles on the list that the mafia would never grab outside the sole purpose of not letting the town have it). You think that 3-5 people ended up picking CV or Inventor? I don't think anyone here is that dumb, people are obviously lying about being a townie. So wait, first BM says I'm mafia and I'm going to kill him at night, then he says he's entrusting the laptop to me to find a mafia? Let's try to be more wishy-washy please. | ||
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