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On April 19 2010 08:23 Abenson wrote: Thank you Ace for simply stopping your relentless attacks I also think it a good idea to wait and compile his posts. Anyways, I think we should be focused on other issues, Like whether we should implement the BM assassin plan I'm against it, but I think it be best we talk over it. Wait, what? One: the BM assassin plan has been shown time and time again to be a terrible idea, based on a faulty premise (assassins are pro-town), that no assassin in their right mind would follow. In fact, I don't think it's been brought up for several pages. So no, we should not be focused on this, because it's a non-issue. Which leads me to ask: why on earth did you even bring it up? Because this: "I'm against it, but I think it be best we talk over it." Is hilariously unbelievable. There's no reason for you to simply raise the issue of the BM 'Plan' when it isn't on the table, if you aren't for it. But you know it's unpopular with some people, (read: everyone) and so to distance yourself from it, you purport to be not in favor. Seriously, what are you trying to pull? *** Voted for nAi.PrOtOsS - Inactive with regards to contributing, but active with regards to defending himself. I'll probably change my vote though, we'll see. | ||
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On April 19 2010 09:31 TheLardyGooser wrote: Just an idea, but could some of you fire hardened TLers offer up some good day 1 town strategies that have performed well in the past? It might help to re-focus the debate somewhat Here's the problem. There's really no one surefire way to go about it. Often, an inactive player is lynched, and occasionally someone gets bandwagon-ed out if they've been posting stupidly, or made an early mistake. But almost always, it's a shot in the dark. The point of Day 1 lynches is to get people to debate, get people out in the open, and to get everyone on the record making a potential mafia tell. | ||
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If you role-check an assassin, you should definitely get in contact with them. Remember that: On April 13 2010 11:22 flamewheel91 wrote: Each Assassin will have two role checks to use per game, and two night kills per game. Which means that finding an assassin can help you find other townies with which you can begin to develop a town circle. Not only that, but since the assassin's objective has absolutely no bearing on the game as a whole, detectives should be able to work in a pro-town way with the assassin. Remember that assassin hits... On April 13 2010 11:22 flamewheel91 wrote: If you manage to kill another Assassin with your night kill, it will be refunded. ... don't count against the assassin's total if they correctly hit another assassin. Therefore, detectives should be able to, if you play your card right, get the assassin to take out some spare mafia as well. Therefore, DETECTIVES: A) Rolecheck an assassin B) Establish contact C) Establish quid-pro-quo D) Provide names, receive names E) Establish more contacts F) Order hits Objections to this plan? | ||
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On April 19 2010 12:32 Scamp wrote: Fun note: Tree.Hugger didn't read the rules! Oh dammit. I thought they had been put back in for some reason. I double checked, of course. Obviously. | ||
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On April 19 2010 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fun note, we had already discussed this earlier in the thread via my own major post. So you failed on two counts. Reading is fun. Yeah, I found that discussion too. | ||
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On April 19 2010 15:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: But ignored it, forgot it? interesting... Well, I found it after the fact. So uh... I'm running for mayor? On April 20 2010 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The only 4 posts he has made this thread (two of which were before game start, 2 after). You have just been auto flagged for worst townie slot. Someone who is excited to play, then a) hasn't posted anything and b) has failed to read the thread either makes you an uncaring/bad townie or obvious Mafia. Your now my vote. Or just someone disappointed to not get a blue role, or overwhelmed by the amount of posting. Took me a while to get over it too. On April 20 2010 04:35 Bill Murray wrote: Yes, I have an objection to this plan. Let's assume you're a detective: you can't out yourself in the thread or you will die. Let's assume you're another town role: you won't be able to find out who they are Let's assume you're an assassin lying about being a detective: This would really benefit you My objection to this plan is that the only person it would benefit is a lying assassin, which I am labeling you as I have an objection to this plan too. I failed at reading the thread rules, and the entire thing is not possible. But actually, I'm pretty confused, seeing as how you asked earlier: On April 19 2010 14:40 Bill Murray wrote: sc1 i didnt know u were one of the chosen few to have sc2 Mod: am i allowed to pm if its not about mafia? And yet you didn't pick up upon this at all in my post. No reason to bring this back up, unless you're trying to accuse me of something, which, apparently, you are. Might as well just go out and accuse me of being a 'lying assassin' and then be so good as to tell us all what that means. But honestly, your timing makes no sense. | ||
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On April 20 2010 10:46 Incognito wrote: Um actually yeah, if I read that correctly, I think it is pretty anti-town and warranting suspicion. Wanting to exclude all the pre-day 2 information is hugely ridiculous. If you don't think there's anything here to analyze, then something is wrong with you. This seems like an invitation to cover up information that the mafia doesn't want to be found. Wah wah wah what? Ace claims DT...then acts completely retardedly. Sad that I have only $25, but oh well. If I were not trying to play to win, I'd open a tax collection agency so I could get some more money, but...Wait! Ace is a genius. (Even more) to come. A few IMPORTANT notes: Everyone: Stop filling the thread with garbage. I am amazed that with 10 pages worth of mostly useless posts, I can only see two or three responses to my post, and only a few more reasonable attempts at being helpful. Jugan: Your attempts to appear helpful are abrasive and are probably turning people off. Right now, most of the posts are only helping the mafia. If we're actually come up with some decent course of action, the spam needs to stop NOW. + Show Spoiler + I'm going to refer to the info in this spoiler if anyone decides to accuse me of being a hypocrite when I make my next post. But I have reasons. 1. Being that it works for some people. The argument is not to exclude all Day-1 information, but that it is very difficult to get someone lynched purely on Day-1 evidence. Obviously, the Day-1 evidence is among the most important evidence we have, because we constantly need to be checking people against their previous statements, and it allows us to see patterns of activity. That said, Day-1 evidence is rarely conclusive enough to nail people immediately. It can be, but it usually isn't. I actually think this first day of posting stands to be reasonably productive, because so many bandwagons started and fizzled, which is a great way to catch mafia. I think Caller's 3/4th vote rule is an oversimplification, but it's always good to look for the tipping point to a bandwagon, and then to take out the opportunists who hopped on, and check them out a little more fully. | ||
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After I'm done writing my latest philosophy paper, hopefully during some spare time tomorrow, I'll take a look at the voting list. | ||
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On April 20 2010 13:05 Foolishness wrote: Yeah the timing of my post came at a really bad time, especially after your first post on this page. Had I seen that I wouldn't have said anything. I would've though. Incognito may have been making a point with that post, but it's not the issue. You were right, Foolishness, there is a ton of information after the first day, and anyone who says otherwise is not thinking clearly. There were bandwagons against RoL, Rage, and Jugan that broke down, and then a successful bandwagon against jpak. No doubt we have a lot of voting roles to go over. Furthermore, there are enough posts in this thread to go over, and an automated archives to make that even easier. And spam posts can be just as useful as helpful ones. But here's what is not helping. Veterans who, for all the talk of outreach and recruiting of new players, are playing like idiots. I'm not sure if it's laziness, some pretentious feeling of superiority, or an unwillingness to actually set a good example, but it's counter-productive and obviously anti-town. Meanwhile, it's also really not helpful to post negative comments about this game, and disparage the intelligence or efforts of your fellow players.This is by no means a 'bad game' and it's only these immature comments from people who should know better that is really going any lengths to poison this thread. As I mentioned before, I'll try to pitch in with some thoughts about the voting tomorrow. We'll see how my schedule works, and how fast I can write about Rawls. | ||
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So basically the worst possible result. Except.... From the mafia's perspective, Ace was lying about the rolecheck. The mafia could not have known that Caller was the miller, and though they might have couched their views slightly to accommodate for that, it seems highly likely that, in order to burnish their credibility, the mafia would've been among Ace's more vocal skeptics. Therefore, when Ace's claim would've been revealed to be total bull-L then the FoS could be smoothly redirected towards Ace, and the mafia members would look like they had a better handle on the game then others. So it seems to me that people who doubted Ace most strongly, or accused him of lying may have revealed themselves to be mafia. And one person sticks out at the top of this list, beyond all his scummy posting, and random accusations, I think BloodyC0bbler's seat just got a lot hotter. | ||
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On April 22 2010 09:11 Korynne wrote: Actually, now that I think about it, Caller being a miller seems the best for Ace being detective (like better than if Caller ended up being mafia). What happy coincidence. If you guys say Ace is the best player, then I think we have a good chance to win! =) I'm not so sure about that. Caller's vote is not exactly close, so a mafia member could definitely go slightly against voting for Caller without worrying that Caller would not get lynched. So I don't think that BC going against Ace is a sure sign of not being red. Likewise, I don't believe there's any reason for tree.hugger's idea that whoever goes against Ace is mafia. I don't know what we should do tomorrow yet, I guess see how night turns out. Unless BC turns out Miller I think we're probably lynching one of BC/RoL? Then I think we should focus on some of the more inactive/lurking people. Protoss is still on my suspicion list, so is Scaramanga (from his replies to my post). Tree.hugger needs to explain how he came up with the strange logic... Watch out for Infund if BC comes up mafia. But anyway I'm not going to analyze anyone too much now, going to wait for night results. Don't forget to vote for/against double lynch guys! Strange logic? Now easy there, you might disagree with my read on the mafia, and I acknowledge in a heartbeat that I think you made some good points, but let's not pretend that what I said has been in any way empirically disproved. Lets recap: I suggested that, knowing that Ace was wrong, the mafia were more likely than not to conclude that he was making it up. Therefore, it is more likely than not that they in some way covered their tracks, and made sure to not be seen as leading the charge for Caller's death. At the same time, it seems likely to me that some may have taken the opportunity to cash in their knowledge for town-cred. I mainly used this logic as a way to further point the FoS at BC. Consider how good his position suddenly looks if Ace has found to be making his rolecheck up. Suddenly Ace is the one lynched, and BC looks like the pro-town vet, calling Ace on his bluff. It's plausible, but again, you've suggested otherwise, and fairly compellingly. That's not to say that one of us is obviously wrong or right, it's merely a difference of opinion that we ought to come back to after the game, and analyze. | ||
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But gg. Good luck town. | ||
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*raises hand from grave, waves, pulls hand back into the earth* FacepaLm. | ||
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