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flamewheel i let you troll my game and now this? fuuuu | ||
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On April 18 2010 13:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As for why I believe caller is more useful than Zona is purely because Zona reminds me too much of L. Thats never a good thing in my book. this | ||
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On April 19 2010 05:58 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I dont know. do you really think he'd expect to get away with the same thing for 2 games in a row? I thought something like this would happen. If this isn't a WifoM proposition I don't know what is. Anyways moving onwards~ It should be plainly obvious that we are way too concerned on trying to break the game using the assassins mechanic. I would categorize mafia activity to be the following: a) Let's take a look at last game. We had two types of mafia: quiet, incompetent players (like moi) and very town-friendly, experienced players (like shinbi-chan). I think we can roughly boil down mafia players like this as I have yet to see a "inexperienced" mafia play the town role convincingly and make productive posts. However: posting lists and making plans to kill random people is an L plan. Even if you are town placed, the fact is that you're killing random people for information. Which works as well as lynching someone that you pick out of a hat. Probably less so, because people would likely have made the list such that mafia would be safe in the annals, so they would not be exposed. In other words, I'm saying that this whole "assassins" plan is a load of crap. There's no need to worry about who's what assassin, as that simply exposes them all to each other. This is bad, because if all the assassins are dead then mafia has a much higher ability to outnumber town, especially because night KP has been reduced. Now onto this list: 1. Zona 6. iNfuNdiBuLuM 7. RebirthOfLegend 8. BloodyC0bbler 14. Foolishness 17. Ace 18. Caller 21. Fulgrim 28. Elemenope 37. motbob I would consider all of these guys (well, not that asshole in number 18) as being able to successfully pretend to be pro-town. Thus, do not assume that just because these players are speaking a lot means that they are pro-town. This does not mean they are good players, however. In fact, some of those players are really fucking bad. Also, if they are being quiet, that also doesn't mean that they are town, either. Basically, just watch out for people on this list, and don't trust them too early. Otherwise they can bandwagon for 3-4 days until it's too late. Similarly, players that are NOT on that list and are being very quiet, I would also keep an eye on. While inexperienced players probably feel pressure from more experienced players to simply follow orders, in fact I want to do two things this game: firstly, let inexperienced players have more discussion with experienced players, so we can bring up the level of mafia play here and not have a "let's not lynch obvious scummy bus driving insane dt that's actually japan caller" moment. Secondly, inexperienced players that are mafia are likely to give themselves away if they aren't vigilant. Thus, quiet inexperienced townies have absolutely no reason to not be talking. By speaking a lot we can see possible slip-ups by inexperienced mafia, and we get more discussion instead of having one or two guys railroad some guy off random analysis and "lol you fell into my trap." This brings me to my last point for now: Mafia tend to be far more cautious than town. When I was mafia, I am constantly afraid of saying something that would give me or my team away. Thus, I would constantly end up either saying nothing or something non-committal and vague. Something like this: On April 19 2010 06:07 meeple wrote: I really can't beleive BM's plan is getting support... I suppose that BC is being true to word and staying behind the scenes a bit... at least he hasn't pushed his plan forward at all. First day lynch has barely any chance of getting red, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Lynching inactives is acceptableish... except that we start to forget the main purpose of the game... besides that there are way too many inactives to whittle away at. It seems that some people have decided that Bill Murray should be the first to go down tonight... I will support if necessary but I sort of question some of the newer players semi-blindlysupporting people. They will pop in just to say its a good plan and then speak nothing else of it. If you have supported something please say why you think its good, or what flaws it can possibly have. I would encourage people to look more closely at those posters and see if anyone stands out. I know that a common defense will be that he/she's a newbie to Mafia but I think there are at least some of them that look suspicious. Notice how basically he makes no contributions of his own, kind of meanders his way around without actually saying anything, and also implies that he knows more than meets the eye. I'm not saying meeple is mafia, but a post like this that's made out of paper and has no substance is the kind of material that scum love posting. Here's another piece of crap post: On April 19 2010 05:58 Osmoses wrote: Assassins will influence politics, trying to gear lynches in their favor against the ones they suspect to be assassins... Basically they will be the very annoying players that you can't really pin as scum or townie because they have double agendas. They may just appear confused or stupid, I mean they'd have to cook up some pretty elaborate schemes to sway the votes in the favor of someone they want killed if that person doesn't act like scum. Its really pretty tiring trying to figure out who's what and who and why with such little information, and no clues -_- The only effect assassins have on the town is their votes and their influence, but lynching the right guy seems hard enough already, so if they do sway the vote we might just get a scum anyway... Should we really even be worrying about them? Their night kills, having only 2, will surely be spent on someone they truly believe to be an assassin, so as not to waste them, and the longer the game goes the closer the odds get to 50%. Those seems like good odds. This is again a very non-committal post with a WifoM in the bottom of the first paragraph. And he also says all sorts of random bullshit and speculation about the game rules instead of talking about players. And because he's a relatively new player, I would put him pretty high on my suspect list, but I haven't really read the game so far as most of it I assume (rightfully) to be crap. On the other hand, a person that makes a post like this: On April 19 2010 05:56 Ace wrote: We can just lynch Caller since it's been shown when he doesn't post he's scum. If it wasn't for the fact that it was Ace, a post this early like this would be very town-aligned. Notice he's aggressively pushing for it, makes a contribution, and isn't full of bullshit. Now of course I claim my innocence like anybody else would, but still this is important. Notice that he goes charging in balls first like he doesn't give a damn. This early on, charging in and damning the torpedoes is a sign that a player is pro-town. | ||
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On April 19 2010 06:26 Ace wrote: Caller that is some pretty bs logic you just used there. I'm obviously pro-town because I'm charging in balls first and don't give a damn? Even more interesting you came up with that long drivel after I called you out. So were you just lurking this thread this entire time? actually i was afk doing hw until I checked the thread again. And then I felt compelled to say something after Infundibulum's Wifom. And I didn't say you were pro-town. I said a maneuver like that among new players-taking risks early on, making gambles, not playing it safe-those are usually the ones who are more town aligned. Consider a game like this: One player has 4 Jacks and a King The other has 4 Jacks and a 2. The game is played with each player taking turns playing one card face down. Kings beat Jacks, and Jacks beat 2s, and 2s beat Kings . Jacks draw with other Jacks. This game obviously favors the player with the King, because on a strict-probability basis that player has a much higher chance to win. However: because of the intrinsic psychology involved, that player will tend to play that King later in the game because he feels no need to overextend himself. On the other hand, the player with the 2 has only one chance to win. Thus, he needs to gamble in order to win. Similarly: Mafia here have the advantage because they have a lot more information than we do. There is no need to overextend themselves right now and so they'll play safe until later in the game. Town, on the other hand, have no such inhibitions, because we have no information. They should be more willing to take gambles and risks that mafia won't especially when the information to town is limited. Shallow[bay] and Dr. Dragoon is an exception, but that only worked because that game was just a crappile of idiocy when nobody "knew" how to play. | ||
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On April 19 2010 06:33 Foolishness wrote: Does anyone else besides me see the irony in this post?!?!? meeeeeee | ||
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On April 19 2010 06:36 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote: I see it too much also you have to consider inexperienced players (such as myself) feel pressure to post early on so they don't get lynched for being inactive. mate i made you a post on how to act like a towny and how not to show yourself as mafia you could at least take some of the information to heart | ||
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On April 19 2010 06:43 Ace wrote: After reading Caller's last set of posts I don't think anyone can honestly say he's making sense lol. Fine Ace, let's make a bet. We lynch nai.protoss today. Let's see what affiliation he turns up. If he's town, then I volunteer myself to be lynched the following day. If he's scum, then your chainsaw defense speaks for itself. | ||
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On April 19 2010 06:50 Ace wrote: How about I have a better bet: We lynch you for throwing around terms to make yourself sound smart when you don't know what they mean. That's not exactly a bet, seeing as how . And it's pretty obvious what the terms are. You may not read those statements as WifoM but I see an insinuation of such a statement behind it. And if you have nothing to fear from nai.Protoss flipping, especially when he's not contributing and proves that he's just flooding the thread with random, meaningless posts, then there's no reason for you to go after my throat directly and not simply demonstrate that I am a piece of shit by accepting the bet. The bet stands. | ||
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On April 19 2010 06:57 IntoTheWow wrote: I raise. We lynch you today, then if you were right, we lynch nai.protoss lol I would accept, but lynching me proves absolutely nothing about anybody. When I flip innocent you can't pin anything on nai.protoss because I don't have any information about him, and he might really just be a new player that doesn't read other people's posts and instead worries about dying from inactivity. Lynching nai.protoss gives everybody some information about the affiliations of me and Ace. Especially when he hasn't posted since I accused him. Actually, Ace's refusal to take the bet is of a lot of interest. | ||
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On April 19 2010 07:01 madnessman wrote: How do we know you're not pulling an L? "Guys listen to me, if I'm wrong I volunteer myself." Next day: "Guys, anybody could have made that mistake. THIS time I know I'm right though, listen to me, let's lynch person X." -_- unlike L, I'm not mafia, and I will gladly vote for myself and post a "vote for me" multiple times in the thread. If I don't do that you can assume I'm mafia and lynch me anyways. | ||
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a) You think I'm mafia and am trying to take someone out with me before I go down. b) You are mafia and you know that nai.protoss is scummy and therefore may look bad on you. c) You are town but think nai.protoss is scummy and therefore may look bad on you. Let's think about your arguments for me being mafia: a) You say I don't make any sense in my arguments. Possibly true but not intentional. b) You say I don't know mafia terms properly. Possibly true but not intentional. c) You say that whenever I don't say anything I'm scum. This is not the case as anyone that has seen past games knows that I feign inactivity as town alignment as well as talk a lot as mafia alignment. You should know this seeing as how Showtime, BC, and I were all blabbing our mouths off in that hilarious game and yet we were all scum aligned. In other words, your entire argument for me basically boils down to being technical (and without any analysis for the rest of town to judge as they see fit). Right now, it is your word against mine. I'm willing to back my word with a promise to advocate my own lynch on day 2 (breaking it of course means I'm scum and should be lynched anyways). What about you? | ||
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On April 19 2010 07:11 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I actually thought Caller's first post was pretty good because it rerailed the town discussion away from BM's plan, which had been beat to death. He also identified the sort of non committal passerby posts that people need to watch for and remember. However, I'm not sure how he arrived at the conclusion that Ace's strong accusations are the signs of a pro-town player. The wifom part was incorrect, and the part about inexperienced players posting more is basically an obvious truthism; pointing out something like that has no bearing on his innocence or guilt and so garners no points from me. and why Nai Protoss all of a sudden? he's just about as useful as all the other semi-inactives. Killing him doesn't really tell us much at all, i don't think...and at least he's posting now that we're talking about him in the thread. To be honest, now that I read it again, your post wasn't as much of a WifoM as I had thought the first time. The reason I suspect nai.protoss now is because he demonstrated that while he reads the posts, he doesn't read the posts. Not only that, but he came out of nowhere to do the very thing I said not to do and left without responding to my allegations. I can see the situation very clearly (this happened to me multiple times in the previous mafia as follows): a) I make a retarded post. LMNOP and Shinbi-chan are like WTF CALLER UR A FUCKIN MORON b) They tell me to stfu and Shinbi-chan posts a load of bullcrap to derail anybody from noticing my fishy as shit posts. c) everything goes back to normal. What's to think the same thing didn't happen here? | ||
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On April 19 2010 07:18 Jugan wrote: why not make it 4 or 5. or even 6 or 7. or maybe 3... 3 days! Okay, something I need to point out here: You've basically been running around as if you're trying to suck my dick. You've also been posting useless crap and banalities and trolls. You clearly read my post because you acknowledge it, yet you make no attempt to do anything I said. I'm not entirely sure if you're trying to be ironic or what, but you just put yourself on my suspect list. | ||
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On April 19 2010 07:29 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote: If you look at other threads you will see this is my first game. The two mafia type players you described before were the quite members that pretty much agreed with townies and offered no opinion themselves, and the experienced mafia members which appeared to be extremely pro-town. Now why would an inexperienced member of the mafia do the exact thing that you just stated as showing mafia members. No reason what so ever. An inexperienced townie however that doesn't want to get lynched for being inactive, but also is to inexperienced to actually add anything to the conversation has nothing to lose from agreeing with the "experienced townie". You're already judging yourself to having nothing to add? Are you kidding? I'm telling you this now: whenever "experienced townies" take control of the town, town tends to lose pretty hard. Say something! We need people to think outside of the box, both in game and for the metagame. What do you have to say? Do you have anything to say? Would you even like to justify your vote for me? Just because some "big name" player with a x000 post count is talking doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. Look at me or L for instance. We need inexperienced players to think outside of the mafia box to give us better ideas for gameplay. Say something! | ||
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