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On March 30 2010 09:51 Qatol wrote: Ummm I have my Advocacy final in 3 days. Mafia would be a very bad idea. Don't be a pussy, this kid is legit. | ||
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On March 30 2010 10:46 Qatol wrote: Lucky Canadian. You don't have to deal with the Erie doctrine. I need to deal with pre-1535 english law because our common law provinces haven't bothered to develop a modern property regime. | ||
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On March 30 2010 13:05 flamewheel91 wrote: So L, since you're here I'm assuming you won't be bringing your grudge against Bill Murray into this game, yes? + Show Spoiler + Especially since you said that you'd given it up in WaW. I'm glad you answered your own question. Also: way to go on throwing down a wall of text to say that we should look at how people behave in order to do behavior analysis and that voting no lynch is bad. In other news: the sky is blue and chocolate is delicious. | ||
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So lets introduce the only real topic of discussion that day 1 really has: Who do you want to kill? Since people think I start too many bandwagons, feel free to ruminate on the issue. | ||
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L, who would you like to see lynched this game? Not yet bro. People think I argue too well and then just blindly follow me, so in an effort to fix that I'm going to let other people talk before chiming in. Also: I'll be writing using very concise phrases because that makes reading easier. Foolishness Cynan and madnessman have yet to really drop by and say hello. I hope they show up to the party before the punch bowl gets spiked and we have people dancing on tables. | ||
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When you decide to come and stop by at the party, feel free to sign the guest register with a comment including who you think we should lynch tonight. | ||
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On March 31 2010 08:17 Foolishness wrote: Which is interesting that you bring this up now considering L's longest post has been a massive 5 liner, and nearly all his posts can easily be warranted a "NOBODY CARES" from me. But hey, I guess I can't talk since I wouldn't vote for him either at this point. At any rate, Cynan's yet to say much as well. Love the people randomly voting now though. NOBODY CARES. Talk about targets. | ||
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On March 31 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote: It's cool if you don't want to talk or give your opinions on who to kill. Great way to avoid getting yourself killed. "Oh hey guys, I know people always follow my bandwagon cause they're idiots, so I'll just let you guys figure out who to kill, and I'll just sit here and watch the fun and not say anything". Actually, that's a pretty ingenious plan now that I think about it. Sorry for blowing your cover. Guess you maybe are as smart as people make you out to be. ALL HAIL L THE VET! Thanks bro. I still don't see you offering up any opinions, though. | ||
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L, i think it's a little unfair for you to dismiss anyone who hasn't proposed a lynch target. so far, there have scarcely been any posts with substance. on what basis am i to decide who to lynch? at this point, it'd be like taking a wild stab at the dark. That's kinda the point. Unless you kids grow some balls and point some fingers there's zero incentive for mafia to stir up discussion; why bother when silence automatically favors them? I'm not saying you need to go balls to the wall and kamikaze push someone for our lynch, but if you aren't posting rationales for our day 1 lynch, what exactly else are you doing? There's literally nothing else to talk about. | ||
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No one's really going to nail a killer argument for why they should or shouldn't be voted for lynch today because its day one. We have very little information in general. A potential defense, however, could be of the simple variety. Instead of saying you aren't mafia, prove that you're going to contribute to the town. For instance: "I promise to summarize everyone's positions once per day and make an analysis based on that". Even if the kid is mafia, now we know he'll be held to a certain standard throughout the game and we can see if he's intentionally playing down certain arguments as the game goes on. | ||
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ok. let's say i were mafia. why would i want to go inactive, when it would be SO much easier for me just to see what everyone else is posting, and just casually and nondescriptly tack my vote on to somebody's bandwagon? given how inactive this thread is, i could even BE pretty inactive without publicly declaring so, and chances are nobody would even notice, since everyone seems to be--likewise--inactive. Really bad WIFOM, especially given that pretty much all of the votes are spread out. Why? Are townies too afraid to agree, or are they trying to put FoSs everywhere to make someone screw up? Are mafia trying to make their votes blend in as much as possible rather than start a train on someone who will flip innocent? There are two possible explanations to this: either mafia is content with where votes are and don't really feel like throwing their weight around, or they realize people are fucking around and don't care. There are two vote 'strings' in play right now: BM/Vivi voting for Cynan voting for RoL voting for L and madnessman voting for KF91 voting for flamewheel Players who are 2 rungs apart are more likely to be on the same team. Possible pairings: flamewheel/madnessman L/Cynan BM or Vivi/RoL Oddly enough, madnessman made his first post with a very light FoS against flamewheel. I know I'm legit, so pair 2 is false. As for BM/RoL or Vivi/RoL being put on the same team; I'd think that would be highly improbable. Other possible pairings involve players who haven't voted yet, so Foolishness/xxx or flamewheel/xxx Given the link between madnessman and flamewheel, I'm going to start off putting my vote on flamewheel to see wuts up. ##vote flamewheel91## | ||
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On April 01 2010 07:36 flamewheel91 wrote: @L: Typing up yet another long-ass post. @Cynan: I'm about to. Sit tight. Make it concise, cutie. | ||
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On April 01 2010 07:32 CynanMachae wrote: Expanded reasons? Really, he hasn't showed up since spamming "hai guys" and voting Flamewheel to "start up drama", and then saying he need information hence he's posting, but just disappears. Aside from FlameWheel nobody else called him up on that. Also L, you "string" vote reasoning seems useful, but I'm not sure I understand how you can say that most likely teams are 2 strings apart. Why not 3 or 4? Seems to me you can only get some unlikely teams from that. Or maybe I didn't get something. Because if you're mafia, you want to kill the people who think you're mafia. Additionally, given how spread out the votes are, its unlikely that the person seeding the vote will be found responsible for starting a wagon, so its a relatively low risk method of having someone back off from your buds. | ||
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I find it kinda interesting that I put my vote on someone really late to avoid people wagoning based purely on me voting, and specifically say that its just there to get reactions, but then bill murray goes off the rails in his crazy train and switches his vote target a sixth time. Prior, he/vivi had been trying to kill cynan, and then both drop cynan as a target and vote for flame/me. Vivi's vote in particular is interesting; Instead of voting against RoL to stop the result of the 'bandwagon' that I specifically took pains not to start, he votes against me. Not only does he vote vote against me, but he doesn't bother trying to convince anyone of flame's innocence. Between vivi and bill murray, the two switched votes approximately 10 times. That bill would push so hard for someone's lynch is completely different from his town behavior, but his style has been changing rapidly over the past few games. Vivi, by contrast, is just stupid, so I can't tell if his hypocritical condemnation is genuine or intentionally misleading. If RoL flips town in the future, it is likely that Foolishness is mafia. Mafia would have adored the opportunity to seem as if they were swinging a vote away from a townie if there was no risk that they would cast the deciding vote or that they would be setting up their ally to die. Sorry bout' bein' away, but them's the breaks. | ||
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On April 01 2010 13:21 flamewheel91 wrote: I forgive you L <3 I feel bad now  <3 | ||
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Ok. I don't want to sound like a complete idiot. But what's WIFOM? What's FOS? I made that comment in response to BM accusing me of being mafia on the basis of making up excuses and being fake afk. WIFOM means wine in front of me. An argument that says:"If i was mafia, I'd never do xyz, and I did xyz, so i'm not mafia!" Generally seen as a scummy, poor argument; the strength of the above claim itself is the counter-argument; mafia love doing things that make them not look like mafia. FOS means FINGER OF SUSPICION. basically means "i'm watchin' u lol, but i'm not 100% sure i'ma vote for you yet :3". You make some elaborate "2 rung" argument about me and flamewheel being mafia (who turned over townie i might add), based on the fact that I voted for kf who voted for flamewheel. Let me point out to you that i voted for kf BEFORE kf voted for flamewheel. Wasn't really that elaborate, nor would you need to vote in response. Its just a simple spiky defense wherein you have 1 mafia member push to discredit a town member that's on to something for reasons unrelated to his suspicions. This forces the targeted player to defend himself and severely hinders his ability to push for the lynch of your partner. This has been done to me several times so its pretty ez pz to spot the beginnings of it. The idea behind presenting it when I did was to dissuade mafia members after my vote from voting according to the once removed vote chain, mostly to see what information we'd get regarding you/flamewheel. I didn't want him to die, as per my 'I'll place it here for now' statement, but that's kinda the breaks. 4 people were active in assigning their final votes after mine. None of the votes after my post were directed at a 'new' target or placed on someone who hadn't been voted before. | ||
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On April 01 2010 14:47 madnessman wrote: woops. posted after rol's post, but didnt see this. "This forces the targeted player to defend himself and severely hinders his ability to push for the lynch of your partner. This has been done to me several times so its pretty ez pz to spot the beginnings of it." But prior to my voting for kf91, he didn't voice ANY suspicions of flamewheel. i dont understand your logic; if ur string theory were true, i'd be wasting my vote on someone who has advocated a sit back out of the action strategy; he's even said he hasnt posted much because it's a lose:lose situation for the town either way. he's no L or bm who'd be more prone to go after somebody and push for their lynch. so yes, i dont really see the logic in your string theory. anyways, going to bed. Nope. Just means you have a reason to crank up in the in-thread shit meter if your initial low risk vote turns out to land on someone that's going after your partner. No point pulling off at that point. Put yourself in mafia shoes and think about who's an optimal vote on day 1. I'll list the 2 criteria: 1- anyone who won't get you called out 2- under the condition that your team isn't going to get lynched. There's a number of interesting things about the way voting happened that I guess we should discuss tomorrow. I might die tonight so I'll try to drop a post regarding the points that I think are most interesting. | ||
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