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Players with special roles should use them early and often. The French must cook, and should otherwise stay out of the discussion. | ||
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That man should never be let near a blinking red button, take him out. Also the 'or worse' clearly means a kind of 'Dr. Strangelove' doomsday device. Purity of Essence, remember, PoE, PoE, Purity of Essence.... | ||
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On March 24 2010 11:38 d3_crescentia wrote: Wait what? Who are you talking about that's confirmed town? Just to be clear. Bill Murray, of course. I have a feeling lynches might be quite hard to come by this game. Nukes may end up going out sooner then we think if we can't even lynch a banned person. | ||
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On March 26 2010 05:46 L wrote: Oh yeah, ##Vote tree.hugger Kid clearly wanted to wagon me. I'd much prefer that we nuke the shit out of RoL and use anti-nukes on any retaliatory strikes. If he's town he shouldn't throw extra nukes out. If he's mafia, good. 2 seems like a good number of missiles. The list of people who wanted to off me during a 36 hour ban is either full of retards, mafia, or people who are still consumed with the ghost of the rage donut. I suggest the best course of action for the town is to simply lynch everyone on that list. Damn straight. Your posting in the last Mafia game almost singlehandedly led the town off track time and time again. You're unhelpful, aggressive, self-interested, and spam the thread constantly. Also, you were banned, which, ironically, probably helped us get a clearer picture of how to play the game. But by saying I wanted to 'wagon' you is a little unfair, my vote for you was, and is an honest choice. Obviously, I'd prefer other people go along with me, but by using that word, you're suggesting that there was somehow some nefarious plot behind my vote. Obviously, given your current state of being still in the game, that was not so. As a mafia in the last game, I learned well the benefits of keeping you alive. I eagerly anticipate the return of your analysis. And I will not hesitate to nuke you if you again embark on a strategy of disinformation and confusion. | ||
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Also, seriously, L comes back and the everybody immediately goes down on bended knee and swears fealty to our returned savior? Good grief. This unwavering loyalty to the second coming of L is nauseating. The bro got banned for being annoying and unhelpful, as per the usual, and if anyone needs evidence otherwise, checking the last few mafia games he's played should prove this quality beyond a shadow of a doubt. And yet, L comes back, full of the typical self-righteous revenge, and immediately his word becomes gospel. If anything, those who jumped so readily on L's bandwagon of confusion are to be most distrusted. | ||
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On March 26 2010 08:59 ~OpZ~ wrote: On March 26 2010 07:41 L wrote: I think they town shouldn't save Caller because saving him would save someone? Well no shit, sherlock. A better argument might be "because I honestly think he's mafia", but you seem to have avoided that for some reason. Anyways, RoL just said he has no more nukes. If he lies, he's mafia. That pretty much green lights my plan. I'd rather not try to change the vote target and have people fail because we don't have enough people, so I'm going to go ahead and ask people: If you're cool to engage with the nuke RoL and lynch tree.hugger plan, say so in the thread. Lurking people work against us here. Please people...We need input on this tree.hugger plan... And I noticed Tree.Hugger "disappeared" again. Along with Iaaan, after your crazy ass pulled that shit. Also, did it say the server was too busy a few minutes ago? Nice timing. | ||
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On March 26 2010 09:15 ~OpZ~ wrote: Who anti-nuked for Caller? That person should step forward, and RoL should definitely eat Caller's brains....Mafia saving caller? Not in my mafia world?!?! And immediately get killed by the mafia? Yeah right. Japan is a country that should certainly have more tricks up their sleeve, having this person out themselves will not happen if they're mafia, and should not happen if they're town aligned and want to stay living. | ||
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On March 26 2010 09:48 L wrote: Why would he get killed by mafia? Anti-nukes are on the same numbered reserve that nukes are on; Given that RoL admitted to having a single nuke, its very probably that anti-nuking countries have a single anti-nuke as well. There's a pretty obvious reason why we'd want the anti-nuker to come forward, but lets see how people react to this first. What is the obvious reason? So we can lynch them? So we can not lynch them? What is gained by knowing who did this? Your assumption about Japan only having one anti-nuke cannot be proven, and in fact, the fact that the anti-nuke was used so early perhaps suggests that this player has other options at their disposal. | ||
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On March 26 2010 10:02 L wrote: Because if mafia have anti-nukes, we'd kinda want to know the identity of the anti-nuker if RoL kills caller and he flips red. Then the guy needs to justify his actions. Derp. So you're arguing that if the anti-nuker is mafia, then it would be in the best interests of the town for them to claim firing the anti-nuke? Well yeah, okay, sure, good luck with that. | ||
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On March 26 2010 10:04 L wrote: Also, who said I'm talking about Japan? I haven't said Japan once, nor is there any information in the thread indicating otherwise. Tree.hugger, either you're a mason, mafia, or you're the guy that shot down the nuke, ostensibly to stop us from being able to talk about killing you. Seeing as the masons probably would have made a comment, that leaves you in an odd situation. You're talking about Japan because Japan fired the anti-nuke. What are you talking about? Just saying something like "you're either a mason, mafia, or Japan" doesn't make it true. In fact, the sole reason you went after me is because I went after you. Fair enough. But pretending like you have some evidence to support that, when clearly none exists is simply rhetoric. You're entire argument for the anti-nuker (Japan, in case you're not following along) could only benefit a mafia perspective. Who are you, L? | ||
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On March 26 2010 10:13 ~OpZ~ wrote: True... So we should assume you've launched the anti-nuke. Where is my request for suspects that don't include L? I didn't launch the anti-nuke. I would not have launched the anti-nuke. And the list of suspects I owe you somehow, does not take precedent over Butler beating Syracuse. On March 26 2010 10:16 L wrote: Err, no. I didn't talk about Japan at all until you brought up the nation. Nor did I say that he had to be anti-mafia. I said the person should come forward because he COULD be mafia. Why would you think Japan has a certain set of abilities unless you know someone who has japan? If you're a normal townie, there are no PMs: You couldn't know unless you were Japan yourself. If you were a mason, one of your mason buddies could be japan and you'd know. If you were mafia, one of your mafia buddies could know. The only way you could know about Japan's abilities is one of the aforementioned options: 1) you're japan 2) you're mafia 3) you're mason Masons haven't talked about you, so 3) is out of the picture. You just denied 1). That leaves 2). Well played. Kill this kid tomorrow. Stupid logic through and through. Think I'd really be that obvious, as to make Japan's argument in third person? Seriously. I have common sense. You're the one making assumptions about what Japan has. You're saying you're convinced somehow that Japan has only one anti-nuke. Possible, but by no means certain. Nonetheless, you would lead a witch hunt to find who fired the anti-nuke. I pointed out that there may be very good reasons for the person who fired the anti-nuke to remain under cover, whether they be town aligned or mafia aligned. Therefore, your call for the anti-nuke person to reveal themselves is redundant, ill-conceived, and spam. It's really time that you consider what you're writing before you write it, this 'accuse blindly, and then never back down' strategy is counter-productive to the town. Seriously.... kid. | ||
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On March 26 2010 10:03 ~OpZ~ wrote: Who cares? Nukes/Anti-nukes are not all that important. What is important are actual roles/lynches/night kills. Seriously. You're probably going to die tomorrow. Let's face that. Nikon maybe too, but I'm still supporting Nemy or Jspazz, or someone that provides nothing. Abenson built a decent case against Jspazz, but it was brushed off by a "I couldn't make up my mind" when it was more "I was riding every bandwagon to pop up" -_- Produce something useful. Post a list of suspects that doesn't include the almost bussed L. I've stated my suspicions. Nemy will be insanely hard to confirm for town or against town. (I don't know if I was clear on why I'm suspicious of him, but he's always suspicious) Thanks for predicting the future. With you and L voting for killing me tonight, I probably won't have too much of a chance. You and L were the immediate proponents of Japan revealing himself, a strategy that anyone could see would be very dangerous, if not fatal to that player. You and L have moved in lockstep in accusing me of being mafia, simply for pointing out what should be common sense. So that's the list you wanted. You and L. And if I do die tonight, let this be a record of your intentions. | ||
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On March 26 2010 10:53 L wrote: Given your past history, yes. Open ended, intentionally vague arguments are really really persuasive. On March 26 2010 10:53 L wrote: Do you know what redundant and spam mean? Because while you might disagree with the idea and call it ill-conceived, it is in no way either of the other two. Attacking my vocabulary is another great way to gain points. Count it! On March 26 2010 10:53 L wrote: Which leads me to believe that you're trying to play yourself up as a big shot or something without knowing what the words you're typing actually mean. Which is pretty hilarious in and of itself. I would never play myself up to be a big shot. That's your domain. I suggested we lynch you on Day 1, as per the normal strategy of lynching inactive players. Beyond this, I was aware of your singular ability to disrupt the functional working of the town. I have already made clear that these were my reasons for voting to lynch you. When you returned, you defended yourself, by lashing out at me - perfectly reasonable. In the meantime, of course, you have succeeded in your perpetual quest to derail the town's efforts and confound everyone involved. Here's specifically what I object to. Your grandstanding, and pretending that you have any motive for lynching me beyond a defense against my accusations against you. You don't. Admit it. I'll be voting for you, bar anything unexpected, (like my living to tomorrow, for example) because your disruption of common sense in this game has been pernicious, in actively asking a potentially valuable potential town member to compromise their safety. On March 26 2010 10:53 L wrote: If you read prior, you'd know that I didn't see that Japan was mentioned in Ace's post, so I already DID retract the statements above. Your defense, however, ignoring that point and trying to attack me on other grounds for no reason is highly suspect. When did you retract your argument? You were still advocating it a page ago. But at the very least, it's nice you admitted to being wrong about something. | ||
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On March 26 2010 11:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: ##Nuke: JohnnySpazz My power is limited, and I didn't realize my power was supposed to post in the thread. I'm so confused. And we were all ready to figure out if Caller was mafia or not, now we're going to need to figure out what this means. Oy vey. | ||
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On March 26 2010 11:19 L wrote: 1) Wasn't vague. I looked through your past games. You make substantial errors in reasoning repeatedly. As for behaviorally: You played in mafia 16 and 18. You were town in both of these games. You did very, very little posting in both of them. In 16 you seem to have made an effort at posting. Your few posts were fairly large, but included a lot of town building consensus language and you generally looked at issues instead of starting fights. Your posts aren't 100% accurate reasoning, but at least you make an effort. A substantial effort. Even when you disagree with people, maybe one or two posts has potentially inflammatory content. In 18 you hold off. You make nearly zero content posts and are generally happy to lounge around and do nothing. You're probably one of the top 3 lurkers in that game. This game you've been incredibly offensive from the start. I'm not the only one that realizes that trying to off me for 'inactivity' when its a 2 day ban is kinda silly. The idea behind inactivity hits is to get people posting and to try to pre-emptively take out a lurker. Its pretty obvious that I'm not going to say nothing all game long, so why would you hold onto the inactivity logic? Fishball is a ball of rage, so I understand why he's butthurt about me raping his logic last game. Versatile is permanently on a PMS bender and loves to pile the hate on me, so I can understand why she'd be eager to try and thumb her nose at me. For everyone else? They have explaining to do and that vote list comprises a significant mafia pool in my eyes because I'm not mafia. If i was mafia and saw that I could potentially bus one of the best town players out of the game, would I? LOL FUCK YES I WOULD. THATS WHY I BUS ACE PRETTY MUCH EVERY GAME. Hence why I think mafia are probably somewhat concentrated in that list. Granted that you're on that list, yeah, I'd kill you, because I'd probably want to kill the majority of people on that list. I see where you're coming from. Two disputes. First of all, you're criticism of my faulty logic is certainly correct, but also highly hypocritical. Mafia is a crapshoot in many ways, and you've had your fair of terrible calls in just the last few games as well. Here's where you've bothered me in the past L, as well as this game. I recognize that in many games, including XX, you've been town aligned, and I've recognized your earnest attempts to aid the town. But in actuality, you posses a certainty in your writing which is highly convincing to some people, (including myself, on occasion) but also does not take into account the chance that you're wrong. You make gambits where you pretend to sacrifice yourself in order to get someone to be killed. We all know those are ploys, but they keep working, and you keep employing these disingenuous strategies. Look, maybe we're on the same side here, and maybe we're not, but when you're so damn sure about everything, and when you actively move to stifle all other town points of attack, you're not helping the town effort. You say I've been nothing but offensive this game, but to who? To you, of course, and it's as if you're the only player who matters. L, please try to be more accommodating, less ready to flame, and less self righteous about your abilities and your logic. Some humility would help the town, by causing less confusion and distress. So here's my offer to you. Actively contribute to the town dialogue, instead of tearing townies down. Debate fairly and honestly. I'll be your ally if you choose to be reasonable. If not, I will vote for you tomorrow, and I will make sure that you cannot further muddle the water's with your posting. Cheers. | ||
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On March 26 2010 11:46 L wrote: You uh, don't read my writing if you think I often push with the assumption that I must be correct. I push with the assumption that even if I'm wrong that the right move has been made. In XX for instance, I didn't give a shit who died besides Me, Cobbler, nemY or MM because I knew if we survived the night that we would win. Killing BM was part of an overarching plan to rape the abenson list which wasn't wrong: 3 of 4 mafia were on there and I had a bomb sitting on their godfather. Not only that, but at the start of the game I called that 2-3 of me/malongo/incog/bc/foolishness would be mafia. I was right. So yeah, mafia is a guessing game; No one's going to guess 100% correct, especially with a buncha jerks in the background trying to make you guess wrong. The important part, however, is getting it right enough of the time. I'm not tearing townies down. I'm saying that people who voted for me have no real excuses. Maybe Opz does because he knew abenson was legit, maybe fishball and versatile are playing like emotional douchebags (which is expected of them), but for you? For the rest of the people on that list? Your defence is "i wanted to punish inactivity" but that simply doesn't hold. You also have no reason to rage against me unlike those mentioned above. So why the claws and fangs; I certainly didn't take them out against you. I just suggested you as a candidate based on the evidence in front of us. I have an unrebutted and substantial piece of evidence that makes you pro-mafia in my mind. Why would I back down from that until you can rebut it? Why would backing down be pro-town? No one else has suggested another candidate of equal magnitude besides Caller and I'm pretty sure I was all for having his face turn into a nuclear foam. So to sum up; You're around 4 inches short of average. Feel free to grow a bit before claiming you hit puberty... kid. Suit yourself. ##Nuke L | ||
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- If L is not mafia, he might be saved. - If L is mafia, he will definitely be saved. - There is no way this nuke will be as successful as I wish it could be. But at least it might make L a little more friendly and constructive. Or out of the game. Either would be nice. - Opz is definitely another great candidate for being mafia. If L flips green, then he's probably not. If L flips red (and again, I think the odds are that we will not see this happen) then he's more probably mafia. - If you're town aligned, and pondering saving L, don't do it, and let's see what happens. - If you nuke me, I will nuke you back. Let the justness of my action be decided in a vote tomorrow, or in a mafia hit tonight. *** Back to basketball. I'll be back a little later. | ||
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