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Okay people lets consider a few important ideas that are often overlooked that need to be taken into account soon.
There is absolutely zero reason to vote for Ver. We all know what happened last time he ran for office, I will summarize for those who are unfamiliar:
Ver: "waaa waaa I hate my life soooo many people PMing me waaa waaaa Ace Ace L Ace waa waaa please modkill me waaaa"
Point being, if you are town there is no reason to want Ver in office. If Ver is on the town side, he's only going to rage quit in two days. If Ver is mafia, you don't want a mafia in office. Don't elect someone who is going to cop out a third of the way through the game. At any rate, he has only half-heartedly made a campaign for office, I don't think he even wants to be elected anyways. Lots of people in the thread have been reinforcing their arguments with players' behavior in past games. Well, Ver's behavior in past games when he is elected is to rage quit. If you are one of these people that uses arguments like these, don't vote for Ver.
As I am sure someone else will do it, there seems to me to be a boatload of people who have yet to post or who have only made one or two posts (worthless posts might I add, for example OH HI IM HERE IMMA GO READ THE THREAD AND CATCH UP). As it has been correctly pointed out before, the mafia is going to be hiding among these inactive people. We have seen clearly in past games how the town goes ballistic killing itself while the mafia sits back and laughs. Lets make sure we keep track of all these people not contributing.
Okay, anyone who thinks we should kill Bill Murray is a complete idiot. Yes, that means you redtooth and DoctorHelvetica. And also laaan although you haven't explicitly said anything. Even BM pointed out that if he was mafia, he'd have other mafia members telling him what to post and how to do it. He is obviously way too incompetent where that would be the case this game. Furthermore, there are a bunch of inactive people, if he was mafia, I'm sure he'd be sitting right in that pool.
Remember guys, this is online mafia on teamliquid. This means that the teams are stacked for balancing issues (in other words, mafia members are not chosen at random). In a previous game where all of the veteran players where on the townside, the mafia got raped hard. With the addition of two mafia families, we can be reasonably sure that at least one, probably a few, of the veterans is mafia. While L's posts are almost all worth ignoring, he wants to kill Ace, who is a veteran, and thus we have to slog through his nonsensical posting. But killing off Ace is definitely something the town should highly consider. Perhaps you think Ace is too godly to kill off yet. If so, Ver has good analysis of BC, of which should be considered.
Remember guys, a veteran on the mafia side is a huge threat. They have the power to organize the mafia to victory. A mafia without a veteran is relatively helpless. On the contrast, the town can make do without a veteran. In fact, lots of times veterans hurt the town more than they help (I could site numerous examples, but I'm sure you all know). It's really easy for a novice player to step up as a green/blue and lead the town to victory. Heck I have nearly pulled this feat off in my first two games when I correctly found over 50% of the mafia. And I definitely pulled it off without any so called "veterans". It's clear that killing veterans is the right course of action as we could potentially deal a substantial blow to the mafia.
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On February 15 2010 10:00 L wrote:
Oh foolishness, you posted on day 1 in a rather inflammatory tone instead of lurking until day 3 in an attempt to keep yourself alive.
I was going to call you out after scamp, but way to show initiative.
Also: 789, that's not a link to the arson killing you stupid twat. Its a link to the Angel's radiant flame killing.
Why thank you good sir. Although I am sorry for letting down your expectations of me. If you are elected mayor, are you opting to kill Ace? I just might have to vote for you if so.
Another point that needs to be mentioned. Stop cluttering up the thread with useless facts about your lives! This seems to happen every mafia game, and I'm going to go ahead and call it the "Nobody Cares Syndrome". The Nobody Cares Syndrome can be applied to those who make posts that nobody cares about. Let me demonstrate through example:
On February 14 2010 12:32 redtooth wrote:
just got back from CSL. reading.
NOBODY CARES!
On February 14 2010 12:33 Iaaan wrote:
Chezinu makes me giggle
NOBODY CARES!
On February 14 2010 13:04 l10f wrote:You vote for me because I'm awesome 
NOBODY CARES!
On February 14 2010 13:48 Abenson wrote:
*lurks*
Can't think of any intelligent things to say/contribute :D
NOBODY CARES!
On February 14 2010 14:45 nemY wrote:
Ugh damn it... reading some 7 odd pages trying to catch up...
NOBODY CARES!
Don't fall victim to the Nobody Cares Syndrome. The truth of the matter is, nobody cares about your own life. This is mafia, go read the introduction about how to play the game. No where in there does it say to make posts about what you are currently doing. Nobody needs to know that you are reading the thread, playing dota, studying for school, or blowing some random guy for drugs. People only need to know what's related to the game.
The reason I bring this up is because these posts clutter up the thread. I cringe every time I have to read one of L's or Ace's posts, but at least their posts have substance and arguments in them and not "Lol ju5t got back fr0m hosting New Years party w00t lololol". For one it makes reading through the thread the most tedious job in the world. If I had the money I'd consider hiring somebody to read through the thread and pick out the important posts that I actually need to read.
As a general guideline, any post that has fewer than 5 lines of text can safely be ignored. When "good" people actually need to go digging through the thread for evidence, it makes it ten times worse having to dig through these useless 2 line posts. Don't become victim to Nobody Cares Syndrome, the goal is to find the mafia, not make it impossible to find them.
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On February 15 2010 10:27 SugiuraMidori wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 10:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I got the writer symbol, be original, stop worshipping ver.
Have you read the last few pages. I explained at length why i initially agreed with ver and why I changed my mind. I guess you haven't read past page 30, so maybe you aren't in the best place to be pointing fingers. A lot of useless posts? Maybe you don't think so, but I think I've been pretty useful insofar as documenting peoples arguments and points.
johnnyspazz's quote isn't really even remotely incriminating. IRL things do come up, that isn't enough to immediatly paint someone red imo Correct, I got sick and tired of reading trash after half the pages of the content after the start of the game with the day post. So anything you might have said that was useful was covered up in the drivel you spouted before that halfway point.. All I did when I got annoyed with reading was mark for activity.
Use the 5 line rule as suggested in my previous post. Unless the writer makes at least 5 lines of their own work, don't read the post. I am going to start using this tactic, I'll be sure to keep you informed about the status. I am expecting good results so I do suggest you try it.
As stated before people, this is why you don't want to clutter up the thread if you have Nobody Cares Syndrome. People stop reading. That's good for the mafia. Bad for the town.
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On February 15 2010 12:36 Iaaan wrote:
My posts have been a bit lacking of content so far, I'll try to be a bit more insightful.
For the town to win, we do not need to kill mafia; the Mafia‘s own KP will be the greatest weapon against the Mafia. What we, the town, needs to do is prepare for the later parts of the game, when our influence on the game really matters. In order to get ready for when our own KP matters, we need information. People have talked about putting together information, by profiling the clues, making circles of people who are connected to each other, and just watching what people post. The other way I can think of getting information is through lynches; if one person being red incriminates another person, it is more useful for the town to lynch them, again with the idea of controlling the balance between the mafia families in the later game.
Other than having information, how can we increase our chance of winning? By killing the experienced Mafia. It makes sense to me that the veteran players are taking charge of their Mafia families. Therefore, while killing random Mafia members at this point may not ultimately benefit the town (you may disagree, but it would really just give an early advantage to one of the Mafia families), killing their leader will help the town.
So who, with what I’ve said so far, who is the best person to lynch? Ace. Ace. is organizing one of the Mafia families, and Redtooth is his accomplice.
On February 15 2010 11:12 redtooth wrote:
to all the people that think killing a veteran scum makes the mafia lose leadership: the dead don't really die, they just go quiet. think about it. thInk Real Carefully about it. btw if you managed to figure that out, guess who loses the most leadership when an allied veteran dies.
why the hell are people voting for citizen? he's not a good pick. you have absolute zero information on the guy and he's proven himself in a total of one games and has yet to post anything reasonable or thought-provoking in the thread. normally Ver would be a good pick (i stated this in my PM that i posted) but THERE ARE REASONS WHY WE SHOULDN'T ELECT HIM NOW. DrH is a spammer (scum behavior much?), Ace should be avoided for now, and i guess L is the next best pick. BC is finally starting to talk so we'll steadily get more information on him.
The key is that the mafia need an experienced (key word experienced) leader in order to reach victory. The town does not need an experienced leader to reach victory, they only need a competent leader, by which nearly everyone fulfills this standard. Allied veteran leaders are replaceable, mafia veteran leaders are not. In my first two games I almost singlehandedly led the town to victory without the help of any of these so called "veterans".
In hindsight, calling these players "veterans" is a huge misnomer. MrBabyHands is only a veteran because he snuck into a mafia irc chatroom and found all the mafia. Great analysis there buddy, you really found those mafia good. Don't be intimidated by these "veteran" players, they usually suck. The only good thing about the veterans is that a few of them are guaranteed to be mafia because everyone thinks they are good.
As of right now, there is no reason to not vote for BM. He has more clearly demonstrated reason to be affiliated with the town than any other person besides maybe Chezinu. But Chezinu is guaranteed to fuck something up if he's in office so we got to avoid that situation.
Sugiura, any way to make that count only count posts greater than 4 lines? Honestly I'm considering just spamming a bunch of one line posts to get my count up there before someone comes in and says I'm mafia cause I've only posted 4 times. Yet my posts have contained more information than everyone else on that list, save the people at the top (L, Ace, DoctorH, etc)
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On February 15 2010 15:07 Iaaan wrote:
And I'm going to bed now, no more posts from me for like 12 hours.
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On February 15 2010 12:27 Iaaan wrote:
I'm happy your not worrying about me, but I have a posting coming up on why you are mafia. You'll be happy that its not based off clues.
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On February 15 2010 11:27 Iaaan wrote:
Wait for Ace's post before you 'defend' him.
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On February 15 2010 08:44 Iaaan wrote:
lol @ BM
NOBODY CARES!
STOP FILLING THE THREAD WITH USELESS POSTS! STOP HELPING THE MAFIA! STOP MAKING ME WANNA KILL MYSELF EVERYTIME I NEED TO READ THE THREAD! POST SOMETHING USEFUL!
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On February 15 2010 15:16 redtooth wrote:
now that i've explained everything and come clean, will you vote me mayor?
If Bill Murray wasn't in the picture, I'd probably vote for you.
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On February 15 2010 15:31 Zato-1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 12:15 Bill Murray wrote:
the only problem with your analysis, though, my friend... is that you're already thinking from the perspective of an opposing mafia. Why?
WHY ZATO? Game theory. When you have dynamic decision-making, in which the outcome of my decisions depends upon the decisions you take, the correct way to approach the problem is to determine your optimal course of action first, and once I know what you're going to do and therefore the payoff of each of my own choices, only then do I start looking at what is the optimal course of action for myself. Sorry for the completely off-topic post, but I actually love game theory. Prisoner's dilemma and all that shiz- the very same reasoning that brought me to the conclusion, many pages ago, that mafia will mostly be lurking, so we should focus less on the really active players and more on those who are making shitty, short and content-free posts, and also on those who aren't posting at all.
Yes yes, let's please focus on those who aren't contributing. Multiple people have stated that it's going to be very easy for mafia to hide among the shadows this game (mostly due to the large number of people and subsequent lack of posting from a bunch of them). I read these posts where people are saying "oh if so and so is mafia, then x and y are also mafia as well. Or if we kill this person and he turns up green, then these three people must all be mafia". Get real guys, mafia aren't out here sabotaging the election or anything. They are sitting by having fun reading the thread and posting their votes when needed.
On February 15 2010 15:54 Amber[LighT] wrote:
You guys are exhausting your fingers with this Ace bullshit. No one trusts Ace, but we don't all fight him...
Also this whole bill.murray thing should be looked at a bit more carefully. Chezinu and foolishness out of nowhere voting for this guy? And we have about 20 abstains and the highest votes are Ver and Citizen with 4, which is crying for a vote swing from either mafia family.
Also people who post a lot of nonsense should be careful. Just because the someone showed you're posting a lot, doesn't validate your alliance to the town any more than someone who isn't posting a lot. (I'm saying this because reading 20+ pages of bullshit really sucks)
Bill Murray is the safest option to be in office as he is the most likely to be on the townside. Chezinu is just as likely, but Chezinu is prone to fuck ups so we don't want to put him in office.
And might I suggest the 5 line rule to you as well. If on any post the writer does not produce at least 5 lines of his own creation, don't read the post. Chances are nothing important was said. Nobody Cares Syndrome is affecting many people in this game. Iaaan has never said anything worthwhile this game yet so I'd go ahead and ignore anything he says as well.
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On February 16 2010 04:45 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 17:30 Foolishness wrote:On February 15 2010 15:31 Zato-1 wrote:On February 15 2010 12:15 Bill Murray wrote:
the only problem with your analysis, though, my friend... is that you're already thinking from the perspective of an opposing mafia. Why?
WHY ZATO? Game theory. When you have dynamic decision-making, in which the outcome of my decisions depends upon the decisions you take, the correct way to approach the problem is to determine your optimal course of action first, and once I know what you're going to do and therefore the payoff of each of my own choices, only then do I start looking at what is the optimal course of action for myself. Sorry for the completely off-topic post, but I actually love game theory. Prisoner's dilemma and all that shiz- the very same reasoning that brought me to the conclusion, many pages ago, that mafia will mostly be lurking, so we should focus less on the really active players and more on those who are making shitty, short and content-free posts, and also on those who aren't posting at all. Yes yes, let's please focus on those who aren't contributing. Multiple people have stated that it's going to be very easy for mafia to hide among the shadows this game (mostly due to the large number of people and subsequent lack of posting from a bunch of them). I read these posts where people are saying "oh if so and so is mafia, then x and y are also mafia as well. Or if we kill this person and he turns up green, then these three people must all be mafia". Get real guys, mafia aren't out here sabotaging the election or anything. They are sitting by having fun reading the thread and posting their votes when needed. On February 15 2010 15:54 Amber[LighT] wrote:
You guys are exhausting your fingers with this Ace bullshit. No one trusts Ace, but we don't all fight him...
Also this whole bill.murray thing should be looked at a bit more carefully. Chezinu and foolishness out of nowhere voting for this guy? And we have about 20 abstains and the highest votes are Ver and Citizen with 4, which is crying for a vote swing from either mafia family.
Also people who post a lot of nonsense should be careful. Just because the someone showed you're posting a lot, doesn't validate your alliance to the town any more than someone who isn't posting a lot. (I'm saying this because reading 20+ pages of bullshit really sucks) Bill Murray is the safest option to be in office as he is the most likely to be on the townside. Chezinu is just as likely, but Chezinu is prone to fuck ups so we don't want to put him in office. And might I suggest the 5 line rule to you as well. If on any post the writer does not produce at least 5 lines of his own creation, don't read the post. Chances are nothing important was said. Nobody Cares Syndrome is affecting many people in this game. Iaaan has never said anything worthwhile this game yet so I'd go ahead and ignore anything he says as well. I'm noticing this because its me that your are talking about; you are singling me out as a useless poster, when in my view at least, there are plenty of other more useless posters. While I admit alot of my posts were dumb, I have made a few that are worth reading (specifically on page 41), yet you ignore those ones and single me out as an idiot. People will have their own opinion on what this means, and I don't want to revenge accuse, but it is worth pointing out. In regards to the godfather, it isn't likely for them to choose anyone who will potentially be lynched/killed in the night 1/day 2 post or anyone who may be elected. This basically rules out L, Ace, Redtooth, Empyrean, and some other people who I'm too lazy to think of, but you know who they are. This is important because it makes them good choices for role checks; they are potentially mafia leaders, without protected identities. (these next few things are less important/useless) I'm leaning less towards Redtooth being mafia, and by extension a little less towards Ace, but I think that Redtooth has made some reasonable posts. Still suspicious, but I was considering lynching Empyrean instead (even if I'm not sure what information can be gained from killing him, mafia or not), and seeing Ver's post consolidated that. I see why people (foolishness/Redtooth) were voting for Bill Murray, I'm pretty sure he isn't mafia, but I still don't agree with electing him, with all his useless spamming. I like Ver and Citi.zens posts/plans.
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On February 16 2010 06:03 meeple wrote:For someone who complains about shit posting, the vast majority of your posts contain only "NOBODY CARES!" They're not going to change just because you tell them to... case in point Chez's new post that seems just to be a collection of his old posts...
I find it very interesting that you choose to ignore Ver's big post of analysis on why you are mafia, and instead divert your time to tell me that I am only filling up the thread with useless jargon. If I was in your shoes, I'd be shitting my pants that one of the so called "veterans" have me listed down as one of their two top suspects. The last thing that would be on my mind would be small complaints from Foolishness about Iaaan's lack of useful posting.
But hey, whatever you gotta do to dodge a bullet.
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On February 16 2010 06:13 Caller wrote:
i mean what else is there to say right now. no dts have come forth, despite me saying that it's unlikely dts will die even if they rc.
You don't read Chezinu's posts do you? I mean, I don't blame you for not reading anything he says. Personally, banging my head into a wall seems more productive than having to slog through his garbage. But hey, I guess reading through did come in handy for this one instance.
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On February 17 2010 06:20 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2010 03:16 nemY wrote:
I tallied up the list of ppl who made vote swaps. I may have made a mistake or two (in which case could someone double check it please?), but I feel like this may give a better clue to who our mafia may really be, and at least it it allows us to do some analysis, rather than say... making a list of ppl you "feel" are mafia
Chezinu 5x
DoctorHelvetica 3x
MasterDana 1x
[NyC]HoBbes 1x
789 2x
Bill Murray 6x
BloodyC0bbler 1x
tree.hugger 1x
Fulgrim 1x
Nikoner 2x
Ace 2x
Caller 2x
Decafchicken 1x
d3_crescentia 3x
citi.zen 2x
meeple 1x
sidesprang 1x
SugiuraMidori 1x
Empyrean 1x (he’s dead now though)
1. Why would you count abstaining as a "switch"? I only voted for DrH and RT, yet I have a 3x. 2. This post is completely void of content, yet is took some effort on your part (just not serious thinking about what and why you are going through the motions). Exactly the sort of thing that smacks of a bad attempt to "blend in" from a semi-active mafia member.
Apparently not, I switched my vote from abstain and I'm not on the list. This is a very inconsistent list and someone should go through and try to make it official. However I think what needs to be paid attention to is the time's that people make their switch. If players are switching votes at key moments during the day (i.e. to put one player ahead of another) or if we see a random group of people all vote at once, this needs to be documented and taken note of.
I really hope people read Ver's post about spamming the thread. And I hope people also read what I've said on this matter. Nobody Cares Syndrome is spreading fast throughout this mafia game, and it's only hurting the town. Although I suggest anything less than 5 lines of written text be ignored or forbidden. Heaven forbid we all have to read through 20 pages of posts every time we check on the thread.
The fact that people are spamming is contributing to the fact that some people are inactive. There are definitely players in this game who are usually contributing or posting more than they are right now. What is probably the case, is that they don't want to read through a couple dozen of pages. This is bad because these people get thrown into the "inactives" and are now near the top of the suspects list. In reality, these people are just intimidated by the number of posts they have to read through, which contributes to the number of inactive people altogether. Separating these groups of people will ultimately help us find the mafia.
On February 16 2010 13:24 Iaaan wrote:
5/6. Redtooth and Malongo are medic/townie, and either 1 mafia hits malongo, or neither mafia do.
On February 16 2010 13:05 Iaaan wrote:
On second thought, the mafia would want to show the town that Redtooth is mafia (if he is mafia), since the easiest way to kill him is through the town lynch, instead of having to kill the BG's first.
oh hey guess what? NOBODY CARES!
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Case in point, LucasWoJ's post right above mine.
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Going to specifically get some people I haven't gotten yet.
On February 18 2010 03:59 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Thanks Fishball...But damn...You are fast good sir! Fast indeed!
NOBODY CARES!
On February 18 2010 04:11 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 17:14 Vivi57 wrote:
tl;dr: Ace and bc are in the same family with redtooth as a likely third member i love it when people are so wrong. 
NOBODY CARES!
On February 18 2010 05:04 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Glad to see you got the full scoop on everybody.. probably can't get a chance to go through the last 50 pages until tonight anyway. I'll continue from here on out to look at what people are up to.
hi how ya doin'? NOBODY CARES!
On February 18 2010 05:06 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2010 04:51 LucasWoJ wrote:
Cut it out opz and fishball. If anything, respond to citizen's post
Maybe I've missed it, but what is there to respond? ...and what do you mean cut it out? Someone asked about my profile, I responded. Compared to the non-game related shit the other guys dished out in the past 82 pages, sure. Yes I've been reading the thread a lot, as I've taken this entire week off work to watch Olympics, so I'm checking this thread very often. Also, a lot of you guys seems to not remember there are two Mafia families in this game. If I were you, I would not do anything and let it all play out.
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Okay hopefully this post won't get buried. I've taken the time to analyze the votes for the election and drawn some interesting conclusions from them. I've organized the times here starting from about three hours (5:57 tl time) before redtooth claimed medic. Let's take a look
Time-----------------Action--------------------------------------------------Results
5:57-------------------------------------------------------------------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 5 votes; Ver - 4 votes
5:57------citi.zen changes from abstain to redtooth--L - 8 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes
6:32---------L changes from abstain to Chezinu--------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes
6:41------------decaf changes from Ace to redtooth----L - 8 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes
6:42-------BM changes from abstain to Chezinu-------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes
7:27-----------------sidesprang votes for L-------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes
7:28---------d3 changes from redtooth to Chezinu-----L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes
7:54-----------infundibulum votes for Ver--------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 5 votes
7:55---------Nikoner changes from abstain to Ver------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes
8:10----------------Zona abstains--------------------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes
8:45-----------------redtooth claims medic--------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes
8:46------------Ace changes from redtooth to L-----------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 5 votes; Ver - 6 votes
8:49-----------------meeple votes for redtooth---------------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes
8:52---------------tredmasta changes to Ver----------------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 7 votes
8:53------------d3 changes from Chezinu to redtooth---L - 10 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 7 votes
8:55------------Nikoner changes from Ver to abstain----L - 10 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 6 votes
8:55---------- Ace changes from L to redtooth--------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 8 votes; Ver - 6 votes
8:57---------- Empyrean votes for redtooth-------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 9 votes; Ver - 6 votes
8:58----------BM changes from Chezinu to redtooth-----L - 9 votes; redtooth - 10 votes; Ver - 6 votes
Ignoring the people we already know are green (as I have conveniently labeled above), the people we should be taking note of are: meeple, tredmasta, Nikoner.
Meeple votes for redtooth after the roleclaim, putting redtooth back on par with Ver.
tredmasta(who the fuck...?) votes for Ver after meeple, putting Ver back on top by one vote.
Nikoner takes his vote off of Ver, putting redtooth in the lead.
The thing to take note of, is that redtooth is only safely in office because of a large chunk of greens. If he was mafia, I'm sure there would've been a bigger mass of votes for him (would you be comfortable being up by one vote when the lead has changed three times?). This applies similarly for Ver as well; if he was mafia, he should be in office (I am, however, ignoring here the possibility that the two of them are both mafia; but this scenario seems highly unlikely).
Also, the voting before redtooth claims is important as well. The few hours before he claims shows that he's in the lead with a few votes, and that lead slowly diminishes. A good point is that the voting between him and Ver is tied for nearly an hour (right until redtooth claims medic). If redtooth was mafia, why not just have some of his mafia buddies throw a few more votes on to put him in the lead? Why bother going through the move of fake claiming medic? It's not like votes for Ver just piled on at once; redtooth had time to think about what to do.
Zona and infundibulum were the only people who had not actually voted up until they voted here.
Nikoner's vote is probably the most interesting. At a very crucial time, he takes it off of Ver and abstains. What's the motivation for this move? Obviously, he doesn't want Ver to be in office so he takes it off of Ver. Yet he doesn't put it on redtooth (which might have guarenteed Ver out of office), but perhaps he was shaky about the roleclaim (perfectly understandable). However taking a vote off of Ver helps redtooth, but at the same time he did not choose to help redtooth. Probably he thinks perhaps both these people should not be in office. Well then might as well put the vote on L...but he didn't. His vote has no motivation, what's the point of abstaining at the very critical point in the election? Perhaps he thought it'd be safer to be on the abstain list then voting for someone. I honestly do not see how Nikoner can possibly be mafia, he seems like a scared townsperson.
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On February 20 2010 15:50 tree.hugger wrote:My activity is pretty easily explained, I'm currently in a production of Marat/Sade which is now in tech week. I have barely enough time to read this thread, let alone do the wonderful clue and behavioral analysis that this game has shown so far. Doesn't mean I'm not happy to see such a bountiful harvest of red, due to the diligent labor this thread has produced.
NOBODY CARES
The very least you could do is to try to defend yourself here. Ver has posted ample evidence indicating how suspicious you are based on your behavior, and your retaliation is "oh sorry i'm so inactive waa waa". Guess what? NOBODY CARES! You have yet to deny any claim that you are mafia. Considering Ver has the inside scoop on the town it's much more sensible we listen to him at this point.
I was hoping that somewhat else would be observant enough, but since everyone playing seems to have the attention span of a four year old: a bodyguard is dead!. What does this mean? One of the mafia substituted a member in. This could mean a variety of things we must look out for. We don't know which family substituted the member in, and it's very possible that even more of the bodyguards are mafia.
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On February 24 2010 03:00 XeliN wrote:
Vote L to be lynched, simply the fact that he maniuplated the town to such an extent and it turned out to be very wrong is enough to lynch L.
It is possible he did it mistakenly however he is a self confessed veteran of this game and i is far more likely he is Mafia,
I think we possibly ought to lynch Quickstriker first, he has been confirmed and the only thing against doing so would be the logic that the other mafia will surely lynch him, however L and Quickstriker to be lynched next plz
There shouldn't be any sort of debate over who to lynch today (and there shouldn't have been yesterday either but whatever). QS is a confirmed mafia (unless he's a miller), and L we are uncertain about. At the very least, we need to even out the mafia numbers and since QS is sumiyoshi lynching him accomplishes that goal.
Since Ver was the town leader, it's very important that we keep in mind his goals as we proceed over the next few days. It is evident (because some idiot posted a PM) that Ver had insight on the happenings of the town.
On February 23 2010 07:45 Ver wrote:
And L is getting lynched of course irregardless of role.
Since we have a double lynch tomorrow, we need to highly consider killing L since Ver said so, and Ver knew more about the town than any one of us. Also remember, Ver had a massive amount of analysis against tree.hugger, almost to the point where tree.hugger was going to get lynched before events changed during the day. Thus our preliminary kill list should be L and tree.hugger tomorrow.
Ver also gave us a possible sumiyoshi list with Caller and I on it (as well as Lucas, but he's dead already). Obviously I'm not going to advocate killing myself, but we must consider killing Caller. Although he has claimed to be a Gambino in the thread, we should consider lynching him. Ver said he's a liar and honestly, this is definitely something Caller could try to pull.
Ver also made a bunch of analysis against meeple early on in the game. I believe that most of his analysis still holds true even after he has died (go read it if you don't believe me then look at meeple's posting). He should also be considered for lynch tomorrow.
Most people seem to advocate lynching Scamp tomorrow. Although the evidence pointing to him as mafia is reasonable, I don't see any reason to say he must be sumiyoshi if he is mafia over gambino. It's evident that we must be after sumiyoshi right now, and thus I do not advocate killing Scamp unless someone can show me loud and clear that he must be sumiyoshi if he is mafia.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On February 24 2010 06:37 L wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2010 06:26 Foolishness wrote:On February 24 2010 03:00 XeliN wrote:
Vote L to be lynched, simply the fact that he maniuplated the town to such an extent and it turned out to be very wrong is enough to lynch L.
It is possible he did it mistakenly however he is a self confessed veteran of this game and i is far more likely he is Mafia,
I think we possibly ought to lynch Quickstriker first, he has been confirmed and the only thing against doing so would be the logic that the other mafia will surely lynch him, however L and Quickstriker to be lynched next plz
There shouldn't be any sort of debate over who to lynch today (and there shouldn't have been yesterday either but whatever). QS is a confirmed mafia (unless he's a miller), and L we are uncertain about. At the very least, we need to even out the mafia numbers and since QS is sumiyoshi lynching him accomplishes that goal. Since Ver was the town leader, it's very important that we keep in mind his goals as we proceed over the next few days. It is evident (because some idiot posted a PM) that Ver had insight on the happenings of the town. On February 23 2010 07:45 Ver wrote:
And L is getting lynched of course irregardless of role. Since we have a double lynch tomorrow, we need to highly consider killing L since Ver said so, and Ver knew more about the town than any one of us. Also remember, Ver had a massive amount of analysis against tree.hugger, almost to the point where tree.hugger was going to get lynched before events changed during the day. Thus our preliminary kill list should be L and tree.hugger tomorrow. Ver also gave us a possible sumiyoshi list with Caller and I on it (as well as Lucas, but he's dead already). Obviously I'm not going to advocate killing myself, but we must consider killing Caller. Although he has claimed to be a Gambino in the thread, we should consider lynching him. Ver said he's a liar and honestly, this is definitely something Caller could try to pull. Ver also made a bunch of analysis against meeple early on in the game. I believe that most of his analysis still holds true even after he has died (go read it if you don't believe me then look at meeple's posting). He should also be considered for lynch tomorrow. Most people seem to advocate lynching Scamp tomorrow. Although the evidence pointing to him as mafia is reasonable, I don't see any reason to say he must be sumiyoshi if he is mafia over gambino. It's evident that we must be after sumiyoshi right now, and thus I do not advocate killing Scamp unless someone can show me loud and clear that he must be sumiyoshi if he is mafia. Chez checked you and stated that you came up legit. Given the list of potential players that would take the GF role, its possible that you aren't confirmed. Lynching scamp was a way to see if chez was innocent, and thus rule out him lying about you, vivi, and hobbes' checks.
Even if Chez is innocent it still doesn't mean I'm confirmed since there's still one GF out there. Assuming the town doesn't lynch you who do you vote to kill tomorrow other than scamp?
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