EPTisn't it easier if the actual game is easily accessed and shown on the top left tabs like under general section or sports/games section? Rather than having on the "hidden" mafia forum, I think it should work better and not worse for all of us if it happened that way...
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QuickStriker
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isn't it easier if the actual game is easily accessed and shown on the top left tabs like under general section or sports/games section? Rather than having on the "hidden" mafia forum, I think it should work better and not worse for all of us if it happened that way... | ||
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QuickStriker
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On January 19 2010 15:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: We dont control the site layout, and as annoying as it can be to have a "hidden" forum. Its fairly easy to overcome. I personally just keep a tab open in the mafia side for quick reference during games, as well as purely using the forum index. I would recommend if you are having trouble with using the index, just do what I do and create a seperate tab. It will keep you active, and skip the trouble of learning a new way of browsing TL. Alright fine, you win, I'm just gonna have TL Mafia on as a link to a "favorite" for my browser so it'll be quick and easy access. Might as well do that.... *sighs* And what do you mean by separate tab? I mean don't you still have to end up going to the forum index and then look thru? It's not like I'm going to have my laptop/PC on 24/7/365... | ||
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QuickStriker
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*edit* Nope, they weren't in the player list database... hmm... | ||
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*edit* Looks like the OP realized this and fixed it for us before chaos occurred... ^_^ | ||
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Let's look at some basic simple statistics here though. We have 34 players, 27 of which are townies where the other 7 are mafias... so by using simple basic math, we get: Mafias - 20.6% Other (Non-mafias) - 79.4% These 2 positions (mayor and sheriff) comes up to about 6% of our population. As 20.6% may seem small or a lot to some people, I believe we really need to be cautious here to make sure that within 20.6%, they won't spread and expand their territory to be of the powerful 6% which makes up mayor/sheriff...... | ||
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QuickStriker
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But yea, we should and must not have a repeat of a mafia mayor..... as Fulgrim mentions correctly, it does get annoying and all when it DOES happen... | ||
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QuickStriker
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But here's the thing about this game. One wrong move, and a huge disadvantage occurs. I can go back to the previous mafia game I was at here people would accuse me because one of the death was "a quick attack" and I was a townie. In any case, we need more clues right now, it's too vague to assume anything. But yes, you did good able to at least assume there are 2 killers in the first description because it starts as 2 clues leading to 2 killers. *editing for spell check* | ||
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QuickStriker
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List of names who have absolutely nothing on profile (meaning no pics and sig) : Xelin RoyW ItsPaul dozko laaan Rainbow Jadefist 7Strife no_re Gaizka Man.Magic johnnyspazz That is 12 people total out of 34 people. That's quite a bit of nothing on profile compared to the other game that has 6... *edit* Now mind you that if according to the rules of this game, it is sorta illegal to switch and edit your profile the moment this game started.... so I have complied this just to imply that if any one of the 12 changes their profile, they will and can be automatically marked suspicious.... | ||
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QuickStriker
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So my recommendation for the town right now is to wait at least 2-3 addition days before starting on voting to kill. Rather than risking ourselves killing 2-3 townies/detectives/non-mafia and then have mafia kill 2-3 more of us, we should let them just kill 2-3 of the townies, then carefully plan this out. | ||
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QuickStriker
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Now, as for the mayor/sheriff voting case. Like I mentioned countless times, we cannot be careless and vote a mafia mayor which can screw us all. I believe that's what happened to me in an old game I played where the game went to the mafias because the townies at the beginning voted a mafia as mayor.... More importantly, the whole deal with 2-3 days wait is for the detective who are in this game to check on the those who seems the most suspicious each night to make sure if that's mafia or not. Then the detective needs to not expose himself as DT but rather lead the way of the townies that the mafia is that person or that person isn't the mafia by intelligently inputting infos or comments.. | ||
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QuickStriker
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On January 20 2010 13:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As a note Quickstriker. Voting on who to kill doesn't happen day 1. The mayor makes the day 1 lynch. So all of day 1's voting is purely for who to have as mayor/sheriff. Hmm... I see, well thanks for the note then... So basically that means whoever we pick as mayor, that person will automatically have an one way 100% choose on who will die from day 1. This can mean the mayor will bias and just weed out or kill who he/she doesn't like... that's not a good thing.. But on the other hand, the mayor should be working on the best interest of the town and for the people. Which means he shouldn't be so quick and mindless for choosing who to easily die in day 1. Otherwise the mayor will become more suspicious upon the crowd as a possible mafia. Now notice how I was able to easily spread and tell this info to everyone. I feel like this is a necessary info for everyone, mafia or not, and that at least this much is basic simple info that everyone needs to know. Lastly, back to my posts above, I still do recommend and suggest that we should wait 2-3 days of no vote just to get more clues and ideas to link up the possible suspects and mafias. So tell me what you guys think about this. | ||
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On January 20 2010 14:06 Qatol wrote: Actually, double and triple posting is just fine in mafia games. In Mini Mafia II, RebirthOfLegend had 6 posts in a row I think. The TL staff allows that kind of posting behavior in mafia threads. In fact, SemiOldGuy endorsed it in Mafia 4. Alright thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I wasn't too sure and I do have a habit of editing posts for spelling/grammar errors.... But in any case, if it does come down to it, I will post whatever necessary to get the point across... thanks for the heads up. | ||
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QuickStriker
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But yea, I sorta do wish the mafia game speeds up a little faster... | ||
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On a second note, I still stand by my initial comment of waiting 2-3 days after the mayor/sheriff have been started in order to receive more clues and link up the mafia with the men they will kill then. Each day, 3 people will die due to the fact that they have 3 Kill Point at the moment, and if we can at least wait 2 days, there will be 6 kills, but 6 clues to figure out. We can't really waste votes on someone who we aren't so sure yet until we can confirm at least 90% that it is certain this and that person is mafia. That's why it's important that all the townies must come together and work as a team, especially the ones who have roles like Detective, medic, etc. My suggestion is that for the detective, use the clue check and see if "no_re"s post was correct and on the mark or not. Since he did mention 2 possible leads, the OP can tell the detective that it is either correct that the assumptions and leads are in a right direction or not. But regardless of the response, they must also be careful not to be caught by the mafia and realized that they are DTs or the mafia will start targeting them next turn.... | ||
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On January 20 2010 23:50 dozko wrote: Alright day 1, here's my take on the situation: [BTW i've spoilered these since they turned out quite long] Firstly the method of picking the sheriff and mayor. + Show Spoiler + We have two real options here: one is to go for a random vote i.e. every person draws a random number from 1 to 34 and then another from the remainder and those are the votes. The second option is to support the candidatures of people who have expressed desire to be those roles. As far as the first method goes one can calculate that the probability of at least one from the sheriff or mayor being mafia is 0,374 or 37% basically. So the only reason we should go for the second choosing method is if we believe we can achieve a lower probability by it. Why I dont believe this is possible: the only reason a person will nominate himself is if that person has an incentive. These can be of two kinds: good or bad. Its trivial to see why bad incentives harm our chances (ie. the person is mafia). The good incentives can also be harmful mainly because such a person desires the role for: a) "protection" . This will adversely affect his playstile because he now does not have to put that much effort in argumentation. This line of thought is similar to the economics research done, whereby an increase in cycling helmets' safety actually lead to an increase in cycling related injuries. b) because " he wants to lead the town". Its a democracy and relying too much on the individual opinion of some person who happens to be elected for a responsible position, without any real arguments, will skew the towns analysis and judgment. Hence such positions should only be used to utilize their special "abilities" and not to add any analytical weighting. Therefore I propose the random pick method for our sheriff and mayor. The probability is reasonable and ensures we do not succumb to any adverse selection issues. Secondly no_re's fine analysis of the connection to Quick(Attack)Striker and his subsequent replies make me feel a bit suspicious. Let me put some additional stuff forward for consideration: Before no_re posted his analysis placing some suspicion on QuickStriker, he had made a total of 9 posts in the thread. Of those only 2 are edited. i.e. 2/9. However once the analysis was posted all of his subsequent posts, until some other member pointed this out to him, are edited, and one is edited more than once. Couple this with the fact that he is an old TL member, with around 1500 posts, and so should be familiar that Tl.net and other forums frown on post editing. Therefore his edited posts after the analysis by no_re could hint that he got a bit uneasy. Its hard to tell whether he got uneasy because he's mafia or because he's nervous for being called out so early, but the narration seems to point to the former. Just to comment on my editing, I honestly didn't know editing is wrong after someone pointed me out. As you see, each of my edit tells what i have edited as I never changed my comment or view where it's stating something else. My style of editing has always been like that and you can check throughout TL where I post and edit stuff. I always make that *edit* mark as it is my habit to do so. Seriously guys, let's be real here, if you really think I'm mafia, then kill me first and let's take it from there. I'm not really that much interested in this game since if I was, I would have done a whole lot more. But then again, you would be killing the most active person in this game right now judging how I was able to contribute more than everyone with what we should and what shouldn't be doing. But whatever. | ||
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On January 21 2010 00:27 d3_crescentia wrote: I like to shower myself with compliments. If you took offense to that, then I apologize. Two things: I don't think QuickStriker is mafia, but I'm not 100% sure. His posting behavior is pretty similar to the last game he played in. I do think, though that he has the right idea - we should investigate and dissect whatever clues we have right now for the DTs to check at night. In one of my earlier posts I recommended checking the bodies, especially since there weren't two but THREE deaths. We don't know how the first person died, and that in itself might be a clue. Hmm... that last part you said is really getting to me right now... there is barely any description of how the first guy had died.... and that being a clue itself can also refer to someone who has a blank empty profile! Of course that is a wild guess and it's still too vague and early to assume that... Though if we think about it, it is possible that out of the 12 names I mentioned earlier who has a complete empty profile, one of them can be mafia..... The DT can only check one person's clues rather than a list of clues made by more than one person, so what we need right now to maximize DT's ability is to have a single person to compile all the clues into one post and stating that it was based on his thinking which the DT can take advantage of that and exploit it where he can use his ability on that single post to the OP in which the OP has NO CHOICE but to give its answer.... that is one method I would go for to further help the DT.. | ||
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