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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 19 2010 14:47 GMT
#33
Fulgrim reporting in
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 19 2010 19:17 GMT
#37
Hey guys, I just wanted to get an idea of how the game is going to turn out. This is my first time doing this, how many other people are new to this too? Do we have a majority of new players?

For all new peoples I found reading through an old game really helpful:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103738
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 19 2010 23:22 GMT
#59
Start it at 8 for us poor EST users
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 20 2010 02:07 GMT
#68
Now that the game's officially started, I will announce my candidacy for Sheriff. This IS my first game, however I think most of us are pretty new here, so I think we need someone who is active and somewhat experienced in how the game works. (and obviously not mafia) I've read over a couple of the older games, so ELECT ME!
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 20 2010 02:15 GMT
#70
Lol yes it was a quick announcement, I've had nothing to do for the last couple of hours but read up on old mafia games. I thought it was best to start campaigning early early if noone else was going to step up. I don't have any "platform" that I'm running on, because obviously this is my first time doing this. If you want me to sound more like a proper politician..... I will listen to everyone's ideas and try to guide this town down the golden road of prosperity, through the valley of peace and productivity, and over the mountains of joy.
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 20 2010 02:18 GMT
#71
Also I thought that the "day 1" ended at 12 tonight.....
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 20 2010 03:45 GMT
#78
Striker could you post the link of the thread where someone compiled a list of possible leads based on clues? Also in my pregame "reading" I found that in this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103738 the people elected a mafia mayor, and it turned out pretty badly for them (although the town did end up winning). So this kind of thing DOES happen
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 21 2010 00:41 GMT
#188
Hey guys I hate not being able to check the thread during the day..... I was thinking about what our plan was to try and win this thing because currently (I haven't had time to read all of the posts yet) we seem to be focused on WHO we are electing. We also need to think about who we want our DT's to role check (assuming they check the thread often enough) and how they can communicate any information they get without giving away their role. The whole thing kind of gives me a headache... ANYONE could claim to be a DT and so it would be hard to tell whether they were really a DT or just trying to screw us over. Ideas anyone?
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 21 2010 01:26 GMT
#201
Ok so first things first, anyone that is blue make sure that you use your actions on the first night! It would be a real waste if our DT's weren't detecting anyone, and our medics weren't protecting anyone.

Secondly, as Ian has pointed out that there are a large number of mafia (1/5 people?) in this game, so there are likely mafia among the frequent posters and non-frequent, although losing a more active townie would be a bigger blow then losing someone who just lurks, and rarely checks the thread. (possible bigger reward for taking out active mafia?) So if I'm elected I'm not sure yet who I will lynch, but I'm going to go back and read through most of the posts again, and I may get a clue

Thirdly, I doubt that there are any clues in the starting message, in the previous game I read there didn't seem to be any, I would look for clues after the first mafia kill tonight, and what people are posting.
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 21 2010 01:46 GMT
#211
Ok this is kind of sad, I read the last few pages that I missed and it seemed like the same 4 people were posting for like the whole day.... Where is everyone else? (this could cause major problems, imagine if half of our game was modkilled...) Quick, d3 and tree, you guys have all been posting a ton, and I'm having trouble deciding who to vote for, have you guys all played before?
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 21 2010 01:55 GMT
#215
On January 21 2010 10:48 QuickStriker wrote:
I just took a look at the other mafia game and their last post seems reasonable. I'm pretty sure it can happen here and can be the same case so I'll just quote it away:

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On January 21 2010 10:45 citi.zen wrote:
Let me throw this out there: we all agree an elected position benefits the mob, if they can get it. Also, the mob is organized and know each other, so they are likely to pre-determine who will run from their camp.

So my conjecture is this: one and only one of the candidates is a mobster.


If we take this last post as true, and the mafia is well organized, then we can assume that the mafia candidate is probably not xelin or man.magic, seeing as they have 0 votes and haven't seemed to post alot.
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 21 2010 01:56 GMT
#217
Scratch xelin off the, hasn't posted alot yet, he just posted that wall of text
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 21 2010 02:11 GMT
#229
Dark Templar = Detective imo

So our current situation (thanks to Quickstriker for the list)
Fulgrim - 2
d3_crescentia - 1
QuickStriker - 1
tree.hugger - 1
Xelin - 0
Man.magic - 0

Abstain votes: 1

Total Votes so far: 6

6 candidates, but only 6 votes so far. I think that we can assume great changes in the list as more people start reading the thread + when the mafia decide who to vote for. We need 28 more votes in 24 more hours. I think the only way to mitigate some of the damage caused by a mafia member getting elected is to pick people who will be open with the townsfolk about what and why they are doing things. (also being a puppet of the town would be nice) Although a mafia member could promise this and then do something completely different when getting elected, so I guess there is nothing we can do to ensure a 100% mafia free gov.
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 21 2010 02:18 GMT
#231
On January 21 2010 11:14 Iaaan wrote:
you forgot me to ):


UPDATED LIST WITH MORE IAAAN

Fulgrim - 2
d3_crescentia - 1
QuickStriker - 1
tree.hugger - 1
Xelin - 0
Man.magic - 0
Iaaan - 0

Abstain votes: 1

Total Votes so far: 6
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 21 2010 02:44 GMT
#236
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 21 2010 11:22 QuickStriker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 11:10 XeliN wrote:
That is an interesting question Quickstriker, The reasons i consider you suspicious are mainly due to the nature of your posting, although i certianly think the "Quick attack" potential clue that no_re highlighted oh so long ago is both plausible and telling.

In that hypothesis i feel i would have achieved something as it would lend itself very well to helping me evaluate other players who would be inextricably linked (in my mind) with the outcome if you turned out to be non-mafia. I do however feel out of everyone so far that you are the most obviously Mafia and if I am wrong i would have to do alot of inner thinking and possibly some meditation.

It's nothing personal btw so please don't take it as such this is just honestly my opinion on the matter as of this moment.

Alright, thanks your answer. Now allow me to share some input on some of the possibility of the aftermath if your hypothesis tend to be false. (Also, this is in no way to be offensive, however as my personality and character calls for it, I feel the need to self-assert myself with possibilities and reasons of my own. I did not do this in the past which caused the errors of my ways.)

Now my answer is, should the case where you happen to lynch the wrong person and get someone who is a non-mafia, a simple townie or worse, an important character among the townie, a high possibility can happen. People will start to doubt you, the townies will question your methods, there will be a share chance that you might be next to be lynched/voted out. Now, if you are the mafia and this was intentional (since mafia knows who other maifas are and this can be a grand scheme), it is a very unwise decision to pull in such a way. Because you got it wrong, and even with fellow mafias around you, the chances of survival can be lower than before the incident.

Now, if you aren't the mafia and you have voted incorrectly, there is still the greater cause of trouble, far more so than being the mafia itself. Not only the innocent regular townies will doubt you, but the maifas will support the townies, blend in, and support from mafia will come to go against you. A common cause will happen, the mafia using this confusion, taking to this advantage and try to get rid of you using the day vote power rather than their regular killing power at night, because it's easier to kill during day due to having to kill bodyguards first than mayor for nighttime. That is my simplified answer.

Finally, I like to note this to everyone, especially mafias out there of what I have just done. By stating exactly of the possibility of these events even when I'm voted out, the chances of this happening is still possible. However, hopefully by announcing the actual possible scheme to come, I have lower or reduced the chances of this happening at least by a tiny bit because I already laid out the whole possible plan ahead of the mafia. Which means the mafia have to find another method or smarten themselves up in order to get rid of the mayor. Have that for food for thought mafia!


Omg this is the same as the previous posts, and its blowing my mind... EITHER
A. Quick is mafia
B. Xelin is mafia
C. Quick and Xelin are mafia
D. Quick and Xelin are not mafia
E. Iaaan is mafia for suggesting everyone watch day9 50

I think we need some new discussion so we can stop fighting among ourselves (or fighting with mafia...) I have a question, when a DT rolechecks someone do they get to see their EXACT ROLE, eg. medic, or just there color eg. blue.
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 21 2010 04:06 GMT
#261
If I'm elected, I will obviously take into consideration any posts in this thread, however I have not found conclusively that any of these people that have posted so far are mafia. (and I think it would hurt alot more to lose some of the more active townies) I think I would kill someone who has barely posted/contributed to discussion (someone who may be modkilled anyways, so chances are the first kill will be a townie 4/5 chance because of the ratio of townspeople to mafia, but we will have lost little in terms of active members)
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 21 2010 04:22 GMT
#265
I'm sorry to disappoint you Xelin, but I don't think that it would be a good idea to kill one of the three most active people in the thread. There has been LITTLE TO NO conclusive evidence to convict anyone yet, I want to be more cautious instead of just chopping heads off as soon as I take office. Maybe after the first night, where we get some more clues to look over, PLUS when DT's get to make their rolechecks, then I will feel like we can start killing some people off. Also imagine taking office and killing QS for example, and finding that he is actually green? That's going to make it look like you are red, and you might be lynched yourself.
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 21 2010 21:31 GMT
#320
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 22 2010 02:06 dozko wrote:
Xelin, I did not quote all of your posts since that post I made was getting enormous. I think people are not too lazy to go a few pages back and read what you have written, so I dont see how you use this as a basis against my argument?

In any case I have already put my reasoning up, because thats what I think. People are free to form their own opinion and seeing as how you ignored most of my points and misread the others I do not feel the need to return to that thread of argument.

On another more pressing note i put my vote in the other thread for d3_crescentia for mayor. I will now post my reasoning for doing so here.

The way I see it there are three main candidates - Fulgrim, tree.hugger and d3_crescentia. I did not vote for Fulgrim, although i tend to agree with a post he made on Quickstriker and Xelin before my analysis. He is the most popular candidate although he has listed the least number of arguments to support his campaign. This I find slightly suspicious.

tree.hugger I find is a bit of an enigma right now, since he has only made a few long posts and attempted to impersonate a "sage of wisdom" in all of them. I have not yet formed an opinion of him but I am suspicious when people try to tell me how and what I should look out for.

I voted for d3_crescentia because 1) He has made good analysis of the narration and I do not believe that any mafia would go in such details like separating prose from poetry etc. 2) He has a very neutral style of posting, i.e. he does not jump on bandwagons too quickly, and is taking the input of other posters very seriously, even when It is not completely in tune with his own. These I feel are good attributes for a mayor to have and he is the only candidate to actually sort of back up the attributes he claimed he possessed in his campaign with his subsequent posts. 3) He is one of the most active posters, and this will be good for us if he can continue in such fashion when we have more information.



Dozko brings up a few good points about the candidates. I find your analysis of tree.hugger interesting because thats exactly how I see you, you came out of nowhere with several fat posts chalked full of analysis, which made me suspicious at first. Although it seems as though this is the style of some players (tree.hugger and others). I think that people are too caught up on Xelin's and Quickstrikers arguments as they could both be mafia trying to distract us and polarize the town, or neither could be mafia and just both paranoid. Either way I feel too much of the discussion has been focused on that.

Also I'm glad to see more people becoming active, which is great. However I am still going to follow through on my plan if you elect me and kill one of the least active people, so get posting. (No voting for me will not guarantee that you will not be lynched if you haven't posted anything at all yet)
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 21 2010 22:29 GMT
#325
On January 22 2010 07:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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On January 22 2010 02:06 dozko wrote:
The way I see it there are three main candidates - Fulgrim, tree.hugger and d3_crescentia. I did not vote for Fulgrim, although i tend to agree with a post he made on Quickstriker and Xelin before my analysis. He is the most popular candidate although he has listed the least number of arguments to support his campaign. This I find slightly suspicious.



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On January 22 2010 00:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The other 25% go to those who are quietly coming in that have watched us argue about who to lynch first. I feel like they watched us bicker to see and now that we have some what of an idea who we're going to lynch first. Now the mafia come in to back them up so we an lynch a townie. Which brings me to my other conclusion. Decafchicken I'm watching you.


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On January 22 2010 06:54 decafchicken wrote:
I vote for fulgrim


VERY SUSPICIOUS.


While I don't exactly agree with the accusation along with this post, I agree we should be watching this election closely because the results will be very telling to weed out potential mafia. Especially towards the end if there is a mass shift in who everyone is voting for. The mafia have 7 votes, which they will probably use to get who they want in office.

I think that dozko forgot to mention in his list of candidates Iaaan, who has brought up some good points so far. (He is the person I'm considering voting for) I think that before people vote they should make sure they have read some of his posts. (and every candidates)
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 22 2010 03:25 GMT
#339
Holy crap its close, when does voting end?

Current votes:

tree.hugger - 4
Fulgrim - 3
d3_crescentia - 3
Ian - 3
XeliN - 2

Abstain: 8

Total: 23
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