• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 18:41
CET 00:41
KST 08:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1062 users

The Protoss Shield Myth

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
December 21 2009 10:33 GMT
#1
So something that has bugged me for a while is hearing commentators and people on IRC talk about how when you upgrade protoss shields, all it does is upgrade the regeneration rate of said shields, and therefore is a pointless upgrade.

I believe this to be wrong. Please watch this video:


Ok so, the DT kills the probes in 2 hits (with 3hp remaining after the first dt hit) with 3 shield upgrade and 1 hit without the shield upgrade. This to me infers that the shield upgrade is just like the +armor upgrade, reducing the damage taken per hit by that life source.

Am i right? Am i wrong? Have i missed something important?

It seems to me that while in most cases armor is a better thing to upgrade, what about late game ZVP play. If the zerg is using defilers (note my own level is barely D+), and plague is destroying your units HP reguarly, wouldn't you be better off upgrading shields? seeing as they're now your only source of hit points on your units?


Anyways. Discuss.
Writer
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
December 21 2009 10:36 GMT
#2
Preeeetty sure shield works just like armor upgrade, except obviously only relative to the shield health itself (and armour is only relatively to the units health after shield is gone)... I have no idea where you heard the regeneration thing but i've never heard of that :|
@NvPinder on twitter | Member of Gamecom Nv | http://www.clan-ta.com | http://www.youtube.com/user/ftrunkz | http://www.twitchtv.com/xghpinder
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
December 21 2009 10:37 GMT
#3
I've heard a few commentators say it. And people on IRC just now were saying it too. Hence what prompted me to make this post
Writer
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6990 Posts
December 21 2009 10:37 GMT
#4
Never heard of this rumour either, if its a random youtube commentator that said that then uh..

most of them aren't exactly well informed about the game.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
December 21 2009 10:39 GMT
#5
Someone in IRC says they heard it from tasteless, i think i heard it from cholera etc etc. I'm just trying to debunk said myth, but it seems like i was the only one listening
Writer
2longbe4
Profile Joined April 2009
Poland24 Posts
December 21 2009 10:40 GMT
#6
Still you rarely see a 3/3/3 Protoss army, why is that?
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
December 21 2009 10:40 GMT
#7
afaik it's both...
Check out my stream at www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315053 and follow me on Twitter @EGSuppy! :)
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
December 21 2009 10:41 GMT
#8
On December 21 2009 19:40 2longbe4 wrote:
Still you rarely see a 3/3/3 Protoss army, why is that?

because it's unreasonably expensive
dats racist
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
December 21 2009 10:42 GMT
#9
imo the argument can be made to upgrade shields over armor when playing vs a competant zerg to combat plague
Writer
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
December 21 2009 10:43 GMT
#10
Tasteless said it during a gom cast a few seasons ago. There is some interesting discussion about it here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=101820

3 shield upgrade is 400/400 so thats pretty dang expensive
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
December 21 2009 10:45 GMT
#11
Shield upgrades are the same as armor upgrades except they work on the shields instead of hp.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
December 21 2009 10:48 GMT
#12
On December 21 2009 19:45 Mastermind wrote:
Shield upgrades are the same as armor upgrades except they work on the shields instead of hp.

blasphemy!
Cite your source
dats racist
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
December 21 2009 10:50 GMT
#13
Yeah that is BS...
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
December 21 2009 10:52 GMT
#14
Yeah I remember tasteless saying it but it's not true. it works just like any armor upgrade except for shields. the reason people sometimes get confused about it is because shields take full damage from any source, so vultures will still rape goon shields even though they should only do 25% etc which confuses people
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 10:53:33
December 21 2009 10:53 GMT
#15
On December 21 2009 19:42 Kiante wrote:
imo the argument can be made to upgrade shields over armor when playing vs a competant zerg to combat plague

I guess but remember that shields are usually less than hitpoints and your zealots will take full damage in the shields from hydras. Shields are more expensive... you're best off going armor or both imo. But it's arguable I guess ;p
Check out my stream at www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315053 and follow me on Twitter @EGSuppy! :)
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
December 21 2009 10:53 GMT
#16
On December 21 2009 19:42 Kiante wrote:
imo the argument can be made to upgrade shields over armor when playing vs a competant zerg to combat plague

While this is true, there are a few things to consider
a: shields take full damage against everything, causing the shields to disappear rapidly, thus less hits (and less damage reduction) will come into play. More hits required on armor = more damage reduction.
b: shields are very expensive.
C: Plauge doesn't come into effect until the lateish game.
Therefore, Armor is almost always preferable to shields until you can actually afford shields.
+ Show Spoiler +
Yes, this is all really obvious.
ヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノDELETE ICEFROGヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
December 21 2009 10:54 GMT
#17
Yeah i know, it just annoys me when i hear people go on about shield regen so i made this thread
Writer
soudo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
603 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 11:01:25
December 21 2009 11:00 GMT
#18
On December 21 2009 19:40 2longbe4 wrote:
Still you rarely see a 3/3/3 Protoss army, why is that?


I think maybe part of it has to do with how shields take full damage from all attacks (concussive/explosive), regardless of your unit type.

Edit: Ah, missed a post that already said it -.-
Ao_Jun
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Denmark396 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 11:18:50
December 21 2009 11:15 GMT
#19
On December 21 2009 19:53 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2009 19:42 Kiante wrote:
imo the argument can be made to upgrade shields over armor when playing vs a competant zerg to combat plague

While this is true, there are a few things to consider
a: shields take full damage against everything, causing the shields to disappear rapidly, thus less hits (and less damage reduction) will come into play. More hits required on armor = more damage reduction.
b: shields are very expensive.
C: Plauge doesn't come into effect until the lateish game.
Therefore, Armor is almost always preferable to shields until you can actually afford shields.
+ Show Spoiler +
Yes, this is all really obvious.


I think you forget to factor in the regeneration of shields, WHen your zealot hits 0 shield and starts taking hits to his health, every other hit the shield will have regenerated 1 point, making the hit do -3 damage on the shield and then doing damage to the zeal (A 0-0 zergling vs a 0-0-3 zealot would then do 1 damage to the hitpoints instead of 5.)

Dunno how often the shield recharges but this really makes it worth it.

EDITH Mentiones this thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=101820
you are one of the least benigtedly unintelligent organic life forms it has been my profound lack of pleasure not to be able to avoid meeting.
vOddy
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden402 Posts
December 21 2009 21:30 GMT
#20
You need shield upgrades in lategame PvZ, or ultralisks will own your archons (Though ultras will still be slightly better than archons, which is why you either add in dark archons or reavers lategame). Armour doesn't help archons at all, which is why you need shields. And shields do act as armour for shields, removing damage taken when the shielded unit is hit.
"You generate awesomeness. It just flows from you."
1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
23:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #17
ReBellioN vs HiGhDrA
Shameless vs Demi
LetaleX vs Mute
Percival vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings63
Liquipedia
BSL 21
20:00
ProLeague - RO32 Group B
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
ZZZero.O141
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
White-Ra 292
ProTech134
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 549
ZZZero.O 141
NaDa 17
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1474
Other Games
Grubby4853
FrodaN1867
B2W.Neo552
fl0m431
Liquid`Hasu193
Pyrionflax148
Maynarde117
ForJumy 31
JuggernautJason5
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1336
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 65
• HeavenSC 55
• RyuSc2 51
• Adnapsc2 10
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 23
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2742
• Ler76
League of Legends
• imaqtpie3147
Other Games
• Scarra593
Upcoming Events
OSC
9h 19m
Wardi Open
12h 19m
Wardi Open
16h 19m
Replay Cast
23h 19m
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 12h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
BSL 21
5 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
BSL 21
6 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.