Mini Mafia 2

On January 05 2010 16:52 Vivi57 wrote:
I say we kill scamp. He'll post so little that his role won't be too transparent and we'll be forced to kill him for inactivity without gaining new information. This also helps to enforce that mafia must post or they'll be killed for inactivity.

On January 06 2010 10:46 Ace wrote:


I agree, except how do you know they are town? :/

Also remember we've seen plenty of times where Townies themselves contributed to the deception and cluster fuck of the game (see RoL in any game he plays).

On January 05 2010 15:39 L wrote:
Dear morans.

On January 05 2010 17:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Hmm.. No clues, and no majority lynches make for an awkward D1. However, I have a plan.

I AM A MEDIC.

+ Show Spoiler [Bullshit] +

On January 05 2010 20:13 Zato-1 wrote:

Hm. Scamp doesn't post much, but what he does post is usually telling, in my experience.

Since all we have on day 1 for choosing a Lynch target is behavioral analysis, I'd rather go after the people who are 'immune' to behavioral analysis. And by this, I mean Chezinu. Usually, all he posts are random references to 'Ace' and 'Brown', and his comments are completely unrelated to the game, its players, its roles, suggested courses of action, etc. That is, in fact, a valid mafia strategy- say a lot of shit so people don't peg you down for being inactive, but never commit to saying something relevant so that you won't be called out for something you said. As it is, the only way for the Town to ever determine his role directly will be through a DT, which I'd rather use on some other big-name players instead (L, Ace).

Leaning: Lynch Chezinu

Then, there's the matter of our other night roles: DTs, Medics, Vigis.

DTs should definitely check out the big-name players. For me, these are: Ace, L. They're basically a big boon in terms of post quality, behavioral analysis and Town leadership if they're Townies, so it's a good idea to see whether we should be rallying around them early or not. And if they're mafia... we'll want them lynched ASAP. Oh, and do remember the Godfather won't show up as mafia in a RC; if a RC comes up Red, the DT knows with 100% certainty that player's mafia. If it doesn't come up red, the DT does not know with 100% certainty whether that player's mafia or not.

Medics should cover blue roles. How do you find out if someone is a blue role? Good question. Hopefully I'll be able to answer it by nighttime.

On January 05 2010 20:22 Zato-1 wrote:

What evidence are you talking about? If it's, "He accused me so I'll accuse him", that's not valid in my book- it leads to Town infighting most of the time, which benefits none but the mafia.

On January 05 2010 21:24 Ace wrote:I agree that killing useless players is always a sound strategy when there isn't a better idea. Of course with the what, 15 or so mafia games played so far that list isn't exactly hard to populate at the moment:

1.) vivi57
2.) nemy
3.) RebirthofLegend

And if any of you remember last game with the huge fuck ups of 3 players in particular the prime candidate for most detrimental to the town is RoL. He doesn't read and is a sheep. He's easily influenced and lets his emotions get to him and rarely if ever helps the town. Last game he didn't even realize he was being manipulated until the very end.

Vivi57 and nemy, well you guys already know how terrible both of them are. It's just that RoL is far worse than either of them.

On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote:
Day 1 roleclaiming medic is beyond ballsy, and your payoff seems to be little more than making a list and then having a dt check you OR telling the vig to hit a target and protecting it. How exactly is this not godfather play? I mean, I've already thought about the relative pros and cons of you doing this as a green, dt, vig, vet, medic, and godfather, but I want to hear what you've got to say about this.

If you're trying to absorb a dt check rather than anyone the DT wanted to check; that's interesting. We'd rather have checks on reds rather than on blues. If you're trying to get the vig to hit someone, that's double interesting. It would be triple interesting depending on how you asked him.

You're probably not going to get lynched day 1, but then again it was highly unlikely that you would have been the eventual lynch target on the first day anyways. So objectively it seems like you're trying to call attention to yourself, which is the standard play for vets and godfathers.

Dunno, give me your take on it, and don't pretend that the list stupidity is a good idea granted that you could have had a mouth produce the list. The timing and activity in the thread indicates that there are very few people who could have gotten you as a mouth as well.

Just seems a bit odd that no one's talking about it.

So we have 2 topics of interest now:

1) Medic claim
2) Who y'all wanna kill

On January 06 2010 09:00 L wrote:
Given you were the one that noted this 2 games ago, WIFOM is a pretty bad move as justification.

AND BE WORSE OFF THAN NOW?

HO HO HO. MERRY CHRISTMAS.

Your reasoning is pretty bad, bromigo

On January 06 2010 10:43 Ace wrote:
First of all one thing I need to make clear: I've seen medics openly claim Day 1 before in similar formats and almost every single time they end in disaster and the town loses. Now before I go into specifics of why, Judge I know you've played on Mafiascum. Assuming they are pretty good over there you've probably seen a lot of possibilities for broken cop/medic claims that is doable in this game. That's the ONLY thing that makes me even remotely think you can be a legit medic. If that wasn't possible I'd just call for your lynch. The reasoning that Mafia wouldn't fake claim a medic because it offers little gain is moot - everyone would come to the same reasoning you just did (logically) and agree the medic is obviously real because no mafia would sac himself.

Which is wrong. Mafia KP is always 1. If we all come to that logical conclusion we in fact now have a Mafia who gained something for nothing because everyone thinks it's so stupid why would they do it.

Now the other reason Medic role claims end in disaster is that if you're lying the real medic doesn't know if you're a Vet false claiming or a Mafia in disguise. Regardless they won't talk to you, the cop can't do anything once he RCs you if you aren't a Medic and you will most certainly be dead soon. I think Scamp said it pretty well earlier: This is a guessing game, but now it's no longer a blind guessing game from the Mafia side but a potential shot of information they shouldn't have this early.

If you're gambit fails and you are really the medic and you die tonight, the game is going to be ridiculously hard for the town. You've got experience. You SHOULD know that with you not being able to be confirmed through medic protections we have no incentive to believe you at all. I'm inclined to say you're move is very anti-town at the moment.

On January 07 2010 00:45 Zato-1 wrote:
Get a hold of yourself, man. Trying to vindicate your actions in a previous game, fighting back at random insults and posting 6 times consecutively while sounding really passionate at the same time just makes it look like you're lashing out. Not conducive to a smart, organized Town at all. So, yeah- less talk-back and discussing other games, more discussing what we should be doing this game please.

On January 07 2010 09:52 L wrote:


The convincing argument is pretty obvious; He's a poor player as you've already accepted, his 6 consecutive posts are emotive and generally content poor. If you prefer him dying to malongo, then you'll switch.

On January 07 2010 10:18 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Now, assuming Judge is blue, i made this little list. Obviously this is just to offer up my thoughts/and summarize the thread, moreso, then actual concrete accusations, because , at least to me, there aren't any.

1. RebirthOfLeGend - obv. against judge , posts a lot of irrelevant info. about previous games. red
2. Ace - likewise, find it funny they agree with each other for once(not like, omg fish funny, just funny in general ) red
3. L green
4. vx70GTOJudgexv blue
5. Scamp - usually quiet when mafia, probably quiet if given a blue role as well. green
6. Zato-1 green
7. Chezinu - i dont see why he wouldn't keep up with his masquerade-ish style of posting if given a blue/red role therefore green
8. nemY - makes a case against judge red
[spoiler]

9. HeavOnEarth - seems to be the general consensus- green
10. Vivi57 - points out inactivity and gives some information in past games referring to scamp, also used the term +EV so <3 green
12. Mikeymoo - seems to be genuinely busy green
13. Malongo - reason im making this post, seems green to me green

On January 07 2010 09:56 L wrote:
The risk/reward for killing you with your activity is pretty favorable compared to killing judge. If judge is telling the truth, he's going to be an active asset to the town. If he isn't, his influence is going to be checked by me and ace at the minimum.

On January 07 2010 11:33 Malongo wrote:

Im inclined to believe L and judge are town. I think theres a gain on lynching RoL because RoL red=> Scamp red (I posted the reasoning clearly). I dont see a bad thing a medic claim because theres gain and no-lose as long as the other blues keep playing smart. Just to add more Milkymoo and Ace can see (or they know) im not really mafia. You can find better candidates to active_lurking boy (and yet again no im not active_lurking i proposed first post to lynch RoL). Given all the post garbage against me im now almost sure all this come from my first post aka lynch RoL.

On January 07 2010 11:41 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
I'm gonna leave for a bit - if I'm not back by deadline and I get lynched, I'll explain everything in postgame.

If I do live, I need a DT to investigate me to further carry out this plan. It WILL continue this as long as you play along with it, got it?

Good.

Peace.