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On October 21 2009 12:22 Tricode wrote: BC? Screw that! I Announce My Candidacy! My experience is limited. But I promise you BC will be lynched. My plan is to kill all the smart players. That means the mafia will eventually lose their smart people too! Trust me! I will not be much of a leader, but I will try to focus on what the town wants and actually look for logical reasoning that isn't flawed. This is a promise. Remember these reasons when voting for me! 1. BloodyC0bbler will be my #1 choice for first lynch. (I do this for no logical reason, other then my own personal interests and promise to kill him someday.Though it is subject to change if a better candidate is found) 2. I will try to listen to the town as much as possible to help guide my decisions. 3. I will do my best to point out logical reasoning and flaws with what is being said. So that the town doesn't just vote with little reasoning. 4. I like the Teenage Mutant ninja turtles and will be watching them as you vote. Donatello rules! P.S. If I win, I promise to shout Cowabunga! It's too bad that your whole platform is flawed and has illogical reasoning, so it contradicts itself quite thoroughly. I also am not sold on your ability to point out logic and reasoning in others' posts, no matter your intentions. | ||
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On October 21 2009 12:41 Tricode wrote: My candidacy is legit and unflawed, how dare you! Easily, thanks for asking. Guess I'll sleep now, hope you get a lot of votes(yarite) ^_^ nighty night | ||
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On October 22 2009 04:39 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: So you think he's town, but want to lynch him? My feeble mind betrays me - what do we gain from that? We will not have to read as many bad posts, hence we will be happier. And we all know that happy people make the best plans, so we will win. It's completely reasonable, don't you think? | ||
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On October 22 2009 06:47 Amber[LighT] wrote: Knowing the people that play/set up these games after playing about 7 mafia games they probably randomly assigned roles. It's a terrible idea to assume all the vets get the mafia roles. More than typically there is a pretty even split, and more or less the veterans get the townie-aligned roles. How do you gauge who's a "veteran" anyway? My guess, or at least how I would do it, is make a list of veterans, maybe 5-8 names or something, and have one mafia be randomly selected from them(with RNG of course). Then select the rest randomly. Assuming that you want to include vets, I personally would just RNG everyone. Redtooth, amazing analysis but it seems to be more about "he is scum let me find reasons why that might be" rather than "hmm suspicious post, he might be scum". I don't think I can vote for anyone to be the mayor since no decent platforms have been presented. | ||
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On October 22 2009 07:00 redtooth wrote: well i have to agree with you to a certain extent but i had no suspicions of tricode until that post. that single post had red flags all over and i just found more as i analyzed it deeper. Well yeah, I actually wouldn't mind lynching him no matter his alignment just because it'd be a lot less damaging to the brain. But yeah let's keep our eyes open. Especially if he becomes quiet from now on it's going to be suspicious. It's difficult to see if he's faking or is just being dumb and doing it unintentionally, though. | ||
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On October 22 2009 07:09 redtooth wrote: eh but those are the two reasons why we should lynch? i propose that our planned Day 2 lynch (for incognito's DT plan) be tricode. Yeah sure, but who are we going to lynch day 1 then? I really have no idea since there aren't any clues... I guess we'll have to go off behavior alone, although it's quite difficult at this point of the game. About the DT plan, it seems like it helps them narrow their role down to 2 possible DT sanities, so they could either give it a 50/50 guess, or wait for a second check and death. So yeah sure, why not? I'm not really sure what the problem with this plan was again, or why were some people disagreeing with it? | ||
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On October 22 2009 07:18 redtooth wrote: tricode is not one of the "vets". L and BC can afford to goof off and do whatever. look at Ace's platform: it's shit but it's better than tricode's long platform post. there is a chance that BC, L, and Ace are mafia but there is no chance that they are stupid townies. on the other hand, killing tricode is a win-win situation. Flawless logic. Stupid townie or stupid mafia, we win in either case. I think we might have to lynch either L or Ace soon though, or this thread will be like 100 pages in no time. | ||
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On October 22 2009 07:21 dreamflower wrote: How so? The point of continuing to run these games of Mafia is to have people learn how to play better, and plenty of people do get better and better as they understand the rules and learn to distinguish behavior better. Qatol told me he was "absolutely horrible" in his first game, and now he's considered one of the best players here. Unless you mean players who are labeled "bad" will always be labeled "bad," in which case I totally agree. It's hard to get rid of a label like that, unless you play spectacularly well in a game or consistently well in multiple games. Especially if a well-known player like Ace or L attaches the "bad player" label to you. Well looking at his posts, Tricode's astounding logic and gamesense seems to have stayed unchanged, so it's not a stretch to assume a relatively similiar skill level to past games. And you sound so serious, that's very scary. | ||
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On October 22 2009 07:23 redtooth wrote: also, this is absolutely wrong. i don't remember tricode's standard behavior but it seems to be the general consensus that he's a very bad player. he also doesn't seem to be taking the game very seriously at the moment so we can't rely on any drastic improvements from him. Ace, L, BC have established their usefulness in whenever they were green. He normally says dumb stuff, makes bad connections with clues and is wrong about everything, generally. His behavior for now seems consistent with his past behavior. | ||
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On October 22 2009 07:39 dreamflower wrote: I am serious when it comes to people being labeled as "good" and "bad" like that. I apologize if this is frightening for you. "Good" players can play quite badly and "bad" players can play well, so labeling someone like that and sticking by it forever seems ill-advised. And I thought it was ironic that Foolishness made that post, having been labeled a "bad" player by Ace in the past. I'm neither defending or advocating Tricode's lynch, but I'm puzzled as to why people seem to have latched onto that. Especially since the issue at hand right now should be the Mayor elections. I would definitely like to see a little more from the candidates than "*yawn* *runs for Mayor* *goes back to sleep*". Well, the level of seriousness of my posts most likely differs slightly from the level of yours, so take that into account. Also, I don't think Ace was really being serious, since Foolishness has clearly been one of the better players here. I think he got hurt by foolishness calling him bad, so that labeling doesn't hold the same value. If you're wondering about my reasonings, it's because I think it'll cause at least some discussion. I also haven't really liked his posts and even though it's more of a placeholder lynch vote, I wouldn't mind him getting lynched simply because I can't see him being all that useful to the town. I also agree about Ace, hence I won't vote for a mayor until a good candidate steps up. Oh yeah, and I for one don't really care who's labeled as a bad player, I can see how good they are myself. | ||
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On October 22 2009 09:04 HeavOnEarth wrote: note that motbob voted ace and is still inactive in the thread.. Note that that means that he got the PM, and the posts in the LR thread means he's been around, and the vote means he's been reading the thread. Highly suspicious!!! | ||
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On October 22 2009 09:38 SugiuraMidori wrote: Shikyo isn't acting like his normally green self, he must be mafia. Now I must eat dinner, I await your responses my dear Shikyo~ Nice logic, but if you read the game where I was mafia, I was avoiding attention a lot more. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104099¤tpage=7#133 Two different time periods during which he's been on, and the vote at a different time period, but no post here. Highly sus... okay okay, but interested to read what he has to say. | ||
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On October 22 2009 10:49 Tricode wrote: what do you mean pick a person? I already gave my suggestion in who should be lynched. Unless you have a different meaning. Group? what are you talking about? Why is killing terrible players not a bad suggestion? You have no right to decide that. You gave your suggestion "me" and some people decided to bandwagon while stating "Oh i don't remember Tricodes behavior or him much" 'so let's trust 'L' and lynch him cause he must be bad, since L said so' Don't you find that kinda weird? Been watching you and paying a lot of attention to you last couple of games, so that's not true at least for me. Group means "inactives" for example. A reason for why people have a hard time taking you seriously is because you can't figure something so simple out, as if you completely lacked some basic common sense. Killing bad players is not a bad suggestion because bad players hurt the town, irrelevant of their alignment. He didn't "decide" that, it's a logical conclusion that almost anyone can come to. I don't know about the bandwagon, redtooth really was the one who brought that up and I doubt it had anything to do with L. I'd find it weird if they weren't correct. But it's something to keep in mind, as always. Weird how no one else cares about motbob... | ||
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On October 22 2009 10:59 Tricode wrote: Look, it's a bad idea, cause it is hard to judge who is bad. Yeah there are people who can screw up, and misinterpret things. But does that make them bad? How do you clarify a bad player? My definition would be : A person who never tries. Goofs off no matter what happens. Doesn't really play, and is normally inactive for many games.' If you agree with my definition, can you honestly say I fit any of those descriptions to the 'T'. Also how many people would agree with you if you do believe i fit those descriptions? This is a waste of time. My definition would be: Hurts the town unintentionally or not, acts suspiciously and possibly makes town waste a lynch on him even if he's town, fills pages with useless clutter that deters away from the main concerns, and isn't able to analyse behavior or clues well enough to find who the mafia actually are. Also, a bad player won't be able to convince others if he indeed is correct for once. | ||
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