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intrepid1109
Profile Joined May 2023
20 Posts
October 20 2026 16:22 GMT
#50
hypeeee
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12269 Posts
October 21 2026 02:35 GMT
#51
On October 21 2026 00:06 fearthequeen wrote:
Cool initiatve, thanks to LML, Royo, and 2Pac.

I do have to say though, I'm super skeptical of SB Rating Points ladder system from what I've seen so far. I don't remember it being like this for past leagues on SB. It seems to reward people who just play more games, because you lose zero points or very small number of points for a loss compared to the amount of points you win for a win. IDK, maybe it gets different the more games you play, and that's why 100 games are required. Just thought I'd bring this up early, already mentioned it on SB chat channel and no one seemed to care. When there's money on the line people are going to care about this type of thing.

Look at the top 10-20 players currently. There are a few who are 1500-1700 MMR with 50% or less win rate (including me). Then you see someone like Stryker getting matched with 2k MMR players constantly so he has less wins and less Rating points, even though he's a significantly better player. I could be missing something on how the ladder system works for leagues, but I figured I'd bring this up sooner rather than later.


https://shieldbattery.net/guides/ladder

Hopefully this clears things up. There are basically two factors at work: the MMR of the player and the amount of games that they play. In Leagues, as with ladder, everyone starts at 0 points. The amount of points you earn per game is dependent upon your MMR. There is a convergence factor which accelerates your points climb, which is also based on your MMR. Points drift toward 4 * MMR. The farther away your points are from 4 * MMR, the fewer points you lose and the more you gain, so obviously around 0 you're only gaining. So, players who are 1500 MMR will start capping out around 6000 points in the league, while 2000 MMR players will start capping out around 8000.

The way this manifests in the leaderboard (both for ladder and in leagues) is that the highest activity players will reach the top first, but eventually the better players will supplant them after they get enough games in.
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LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1635 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-21 09:53:02
October 21 2026 09:49 GMT
#52
On October 21 2026 00:06 fearthequeen wrote:
Cool initiatve, thanks to LML, Royo, and 2Pac.

I do have to say though, I'm super skeptical of SB Rating Points ladder system from what I've seen so far.


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I have NO IDEA what ur talking about bruh ^_._^

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fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States790 Posts
October 21 2026 13:53 GMT
#53
On October 21 2026 11:35 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2026 00:06 fearthequeen wrote:
Cool initiatve, thanks to LML, Royo, and 2Pac.

I do have to say though, I'm super skeptical of SB Rating Points ladder system from what I've seen so far. I don't remember it being like this for past leagues on SB. It seems to reward people who just play more games, because you lose zero points or very small number of points for a loss compared to the amount of points you win for a win. IDK, maybe it gets different the more games you play, and that's why 100 games are required. Just thought I'd bring this up early, already mentioned it on SB chat channel and no one seemed to care. When there's money on the line people are going to care about this type of thing.

Look at the top 10-20 players currently. There are a few who are 1500-1700 MMR with 50% or less win rate (including me). Then you see someone like Stryker getting matched with 2k MMR players constantly so he has less wins and less Rating points, even though he's a significantly better player. I could be missing something on how the ladder system works for leagues, but I figured I'd bring this up sooner rather than later.


https://shieldbattery.net/guides/ladder

Hopefully this clears things up. There are basically two factors at work: the MMR of the player and the amount of games that they play. In Leagues, as with ladder, everyone starts at 0 points. The amount of points you earn per game is dependent upon your MMR. There is a convergence factor which accelerates your points climb, which is also based on your MMR. Points drift toward 4 * MMR. The farther away your points are from 4 * MMR, the fewer points you lose and the more you gain, so obviously around 0 you're only gaining. So, players who are 1500 MMR will start capping out around 6000 points in the league, while 2000 MMR players will start capping out around 8000.

The way this manifests in the leaderboard (both for ladder and in leagues) is that the highest activity players will reach the top first, but eventually the better players will supplant them after they get enough games in.


thanks for the explanation, it's just been awhile and I didn't remember it being so drastic at the start of leagues.
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RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9951 Posts
October 21 2026 21:19 GMT
#54
On October 21 2026 22:53 fearthequeen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2026 11:35 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On October 21 2026 00:06 fearthequeen wrote:
Cool initiatve, thanks to LML, Royo, and 2Pac.

I do have to say though, I'm super skeptical of SB Rating Points ladder system from what I've seen so far. I don't remember it being like this for past leagues on SB. It seems to reward people who just play more games, because you lose zero points or very small number of points for a loss compared to the amount of points you win for a win. IDK, maybe it gets different the more games you play, and that's why 100 games are required. Just thought I'd bring this up early, already mentioned it on SB chat channel and no one seemed to care. When there's money on the line people are going to care about this type of thing.

Look at the top 10-20 players currently. There are a few who are 1500-1700 MMR with 50% or less win rate (including me). Then you see someone like Stryker getting matched with 2k MMR players constantly so he has less wins and less Rating points, even though he's a significantly better player. I could be missing something on how the ladder system works for leagues, but I figured I'd bring this up sooner rather than later.


https://shieldbattery.net/guides/ladder

Hopefully this clears things up. There are basically two factors at work: the MMR of the player and the amount of games that they play. In Leagues, as with ladder, everyone starts at 0 points. The amount of points you earn per game is dependent upon your MMR. There is a convergence factor which accelerates your points climb, which is also based on your MMR. Points drift toward 4 * MMR. The farther away your points are from 4 * MMR, the fewer points you lose and the more you gain, so obviously around 0 you're only gaining. So, players who are 1500 MMR will start capping out around 6000 points in the league, while 2000 MMR players will start capping out around 8000.

The way this manifests in the leaderboard (both for ladder and in leagues) is that the highest activity players will reach the top first, but eventually the better players will supplant them after they get enough games in.


thanks for the explanation, it's just been awhile and I didn't remember it being so drastic at the start of leagues.

I think the large influx of really good players starting at base MMR is also hurting him quite a bit, his MMR was already very high before the league started.

Imagine if he went 1-1 vs ZeloT who just joined Shieldbattery, he would barely gain any points when he wins because the opponents MMR hasnt settled yet, whereas if Zelot had 100 games on his account and was at his real MMR this would be farming points.

Like a lot of things on SB, it just needs a bit of time
Things should stabilize a bit more as everyone gets more games in.
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Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines1051 Posts
October 22 2026 17:11 GMT
#55
On October 22 2026 06:19 RaGe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2026 22:53 fearthequeen wrote:
On October 21 2026 11:35 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On October 21 2026 00:06 fearthequeen wrote:
Cool initiatve, thanks to LML, Royo, and 2Pac.

I do have to say though, I'm super skeptical of SB Rating Points ladder system from what I've seen so far. I don't remember it being like this for past leagues on SB. It seems to reward people who just play more games, because you lose zero points or very small number of points for a loss compared to the amount of points you win for a win. IDK, maybe it gets different the more games you play, and that's why 100 games are required. Just thought I'd bring this up early, already mentioned it on SB chat channel and no one seemed to care. When there's money on the line people are going to care about this type of thing.

Look at the top 10-20 players currently. There are a few who are 1500-1700 MMR with 50% or less win rate (including me). Then you see someone like Stryker getting matched with 2k MMR players constantly so he has less wins and less Rating points, even though he's a significantly better player. I could be missing something on how the ladder system works for leagues, but I figured I'd bring this up sooner rather than later.


https://shieldbattery.net/guides/ladder

Hopefully this clears things up. There are basically two factors at work: the MMR of the player and the amount of games that they play. In Leagues, as with ladder, everyone starts at 0 points. The amount of points you earn per game is dependent upon your MMR. There is a convergence factor which accelerates your points climb, which is also based on your MMR. Points drift toward 4 * MMR. The farther away your points are from 4 * MMR, the fewer points you lose and the more you gain, so obviously around 0 you're only gaining. So, players who are 1500 MMR will start capping out around 6000 points in the league, while 2000 MMR players will start capping out around 8000.

The way this manifests in the leaderboard (both for ladder and in leagues) is that the highest activity players will reach the top first, but eventually the better players will supplant them after they get enough games in.


thanks for the explanation, it's just been awhile and I didn't remember it being so drastic at the start of leagues.

I think the large influx of really good players starting at base MMR is also hurting him quite a bit, his MMR was already very high before the league started.

Imagine if he went 1-1 vs ZeloT who just joined Shieldbattery, he would barely gain any points when he wins because the opponents MMR hasnt settled yet, whereas if Zelot had 100 games on his account and was at his real MMR this would be farming points.

Like a lot of things on SB, it just needs a bit of time
Things should stabilize a bit more as everyone gets more games in.


zelot joined SB? nice
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1635 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-23 09:31:56
October 23 2026 09:09 GMT
#56
Flash, Soma, Zelot, Speed, Light, Firebathero, Scan all in there [most unconfirmed]
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Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines1051 Posts
October 24 2026 11:27 GMT
#57
Zelot laddering SB right now, translated title says "bombing the foreign server" lol
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-24 15:07:32
October 24 2026 15:07 GMT
#58
that protoss player using the account "naughty" that is currently 32-2, beating even zelot... has to be rich right? aka dic_naughty?
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines1051 Posts
October 24 2026 16:19 GMT
#59
yeah, zelot confirmed "naughty" is rich
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-24 19:18:59
October 24 2026 18:26 GMT
#60
i didn't realize that light played some rollback SB games on stream, gamvit was in his chat explaining the ISBL to the koreans in the chat too. really fun to see light and his chat's reaction to the rollback, victory screen UI, and replay UI. hope it will spread faster now that a major proleague player has done a stream on it
https://vod.sooplive.com/player/210579369

edit: bonus timestamp of light singing along to korean version of hitomi wo tojite xD
https://vod.sooplive.com/player/210579369?change_second=8188
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7101 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-24 20:00:37
October 24 2026 20:00 GMT
#61
On October 25 2026 03:26 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
i didn't realize that light played some rollback SB games on stream, gamvit was in his chat explaining the ISBL to the koreans in the chat too. really fun to see light and his chat's reaction to the rollback, victory screen UI, and replay UI. hope it will spread faster now that a major proleague player has done a stream on it
https://vod.sooplive.com/player/210579369

edit: bonus timestamp of light singing along to korean version of hitomi wo tojite xD
https://vod.sooplive.com/player/210579369?change_second=8188

^ that's big. we might be at an inflection point.

anyone able to translate what he said about rollback?
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12269 Posts
October 24 2026 20:05 GMT
#62
On October 25 2026 05:00 Puosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2026 03:26 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
i didn't realize that light played some rollback SB games on stream, gamvit was in his chat explaining the ISBL to the koreans in the chat too. really fun to see light and his chat's reaction to the rollback, victory screen UI, and replay UI. hope it will spread faster now that a major proleague player has done a stream on it
https://vod.sooplive.com/player/210579369

edit: bonus timestamp of light singing along to korean version of hitomi wo tojite xD
https://vod.sooplive.com/player/210579369?change_second=8188

^ that's big. we might be at an inflection point.

anyone able to translate what he said about rollback?


Gambit mentioned that he said it was faster than LAN.
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doktordingerdonger
Profile Joined October 2025
153 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-25 00:31:38
October 25 2026 00:27 GMT
#63
might be better to have all the skilled people on shield battery like fish back in the day, so all the newbs can play each other without going on a 200 loss streak

Also may be great to have daily proleague/k-league hybrid sponsored (by foreigners partially) with foreigners vs foreigners for 1-2 matches, hosted on shield battery, kinda like how they have hybrid leagues with e-girls.

Also shield battery university
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12269 Posts
October 25 2026 00:53 GMT
#64
On October 25 2026 09:27 doktordingerdonger wrote:
might be better to have all the skilled people on shield battery like fish back in the day, so all the newbs can play each other without going on a 200 loss streak

Also may be great to have daily proleague/k-league hybrid sponsored (by foreigners partially) with foreigners vs foreigners for 1-2 matches, hosted on shield battery, kinda like how they have hybrid leagues with e-girls.

Also shield battery university


There's no way to force people of any skill to play on SB but a lot of CPL players have joined, and obviously the more people of all skill levels that join, the better balanced games can be across the board. I think there's a lot of positive word of mouth however, and we're seeing a lot of new accounts from all over the world.
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doktordingerdonger
Profile Joined October 2025
153 Posts
October 25 2026 01:10 GMT
#65
On October 25 2026 09:53 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2026 09:27 doktordingerdonger wrote:
might be better to have all the skilled people on shield battery like fish back in the day, so all the newbs can play each other without going on a 200 loss streak

Also may be great to have daily proleague/k-league hybrid sponsored (by foreigners partially) with foreigners vs foreigners for 1-2 matches, hosted on shield battery, kinda like how they have hybrid leagues with e-girls.

Also shield battery university


There's no way to force people of any skill to play on SB but a lot of CPL players have joined, and obviously the more people of all skill levels that join, the better balanced games can be across the board. I think there's a lot of positive word of mouth however, and we're seeing a lot of new accounts from all over the world.


Of course there is no way to force anyone, but back then during fish/iccup times, only those who actually know about Fish/iccup joined it, typically those who are inside the scene and at a higher level. This decreases the skill level overall on normal battle.net significantly. At least back then it was not impossible for total newbs to win a game unlike today and total skill level back then was not lower than today among the vast majority of people playing.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11906 Posts
16 hours ago
#66
On October 25 2026 05:00 Puosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2026 03:26 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
i didn't realize that light played some rollback SB games on stream, gamvit was in his chat explaining the ISBL to the koreans in the chat too. really fun to see light and his chat's reaction to the rollback, victory screen UI, and replay UI. hope it will spread faster now that a major proleague player has done a stream on it
https://vod.sooplive.com/player/210579369

edit: bonus timestamp of light singing along to korean version of hitomi wo tojite xD
https://vod.sooplive.com/player/210579369?change_second=8188

^ that's big. we might be at an inflection point.

anyone able to translate what he said about rollback?

the recent frequently broken bnet ladder is sort of forcing active streamer/players to look for alternatives too
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7694 Posts
10 hours ago
#67
The ladder pool has increased by over 600 players in the last week or so now over 1,100 players(more than doubled). Only about a fifth of the new people have joined the new league. So it's not just one thing bringing them in.

The outreach is working.

So cool watching this grow in real time.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10407 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-26 01:11:44
6 hours ago
#68
On October 26 2026 05:35 AttackZerg wrote:
The ladder pool has increased by over 600 players in the last week or so now over 1,100 players(more than doubled). Only about a fifth of the new people have joined the new league. So it's not just one thing bringing them in.

The outreach is working.

So cool watching this grow in real time.

With ISBL, Pluto debacle, Young Players Tournament, multiple LANs in NA over the course of several years, rollback on SB, SCHNAIL coming to RM, the recent burst of tools for RM in general, CPL still going on, BSL of course, top tier Koreans connecting to SB while streaming in the wake of Battle.net/Blizzard shortcomings and failures... it truly feels like a third age of BW, another revival I don't wanna jinx it but this really feels like an exciting time to be a BW fan
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LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1635 Posts
44 minutes ago
#69
On October 26 2026 10:11 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2026 05:35 AttackZerg wrote:
The ladder pool has increased by over 600 players in the last week or so now over 1,100 players(more than doubled). Only about a fifth of the new people have joined the new league. So it's not just one thing bringing them in.

The outreach is working.

So cool watching this grow in real time.

With ISBL, Pluto debacle, Young Players Tournament, multiple LANs in NA over the course of several years, rollback on SB, SCHNAIL coming to RM, the recent burst of tools for RM in general, CPL still going on, BSL of course, top tier Koreans connecting to SB while streaming in the wake of Battle.net/Blizzard shortcomings and failures... it truly feels like a third age of BW, another revival I don't wanna jinx it but this really feels like an exciting time to be a BW fan


Multiple LANs in EU as well. Also local tourneys and leagues.
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