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SomaBestZerg
Profile Joined September 2026
82 Posts
October 20 2026 21:12 GMT
#10510
Soma wins 4-2 against Bisu in China Spon-Match on 2026-10-19. This made front-page news on Eloboard:

https://eloboard.com/news

_____

SnOw wins 4-0 against Soma. Why are Protoss players so bad offline in ASL?

https://www.fmkorea.com/index.php?mid=starcraft&sort_index=pop&order_type=desc&document_srl=10466483523&listStyle=webzine

_____

SC2 refugee Classic goes 2:1 2:1 2:1 in SponMatches so far since coming back:

https://www.fmkorea.com/index.php?mid=starcraft&sort_index=pop&order_type=desc&listStyle=webzine&document_srl=10467569590
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10407 Posts
October 21 2026 01:09 GMT
#10511
On October 21 2026 03:49 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2026 02:47 Slayer91 wrote:
On October 21 2026 02:20 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
ghosts seem fine, it sees play on fastest map and pluto AI's TvP

the problem is scout... maybe it should come with speed upgrade already researched

either that or make fleet beacon dirt cheap, maybe like 150 minerals/100 gas for fleet beacon, and make scout speed 100/100 with same research time as zergling speed

maybe thats a bad idea though, maybe skytoss would become too OP

in sc2's SC:EVO mod where both SC1 races and SC2 races can fight each other, i think they did buff some units. maybe they buffed scout there, because i often see SC:EVO SC1 protosses open scout instead of corsair vs sc1/sc2 zerg. i think they buffed dark archon maelstrom too, maybe made the mana cost cheaper or something, i forget

this is all theoretical though, i wouldn't want an actual BW balance patch because it would ruin 20 years or so of history


I really disagree that scouts need a buff, they are good against heavy air units (Devourer/guardian/battlecruiser/Carriers) but those are rarely used against protoss so it makes sense nobody builds scouts.

Like why are people trying to buff them so that they are like some kind of mutalisk? It's not what the unit is for

Actually I've played against lots of protoss in late games where I am using guardians against high ground defended locations and them spam corsairs which are dealing zero damage against the armour and very rarely does anyone try scouts instead despite toss often having tons of minerals in that situation

Surely there are some formats like fastest or BGH where mass carriers and BCs and or guardians sees some use and scouts can be tried out?
I remember Day9 using them in BGH exactly for that reason but in casual games


scouts are quite staple in fastest map late game, to main bomb the hatchery/nexus/CC close to the minerals, so the opponent’s mineral income reverts back to that of standard maps. it was even more of a staple in vanilla fastest (non-BW expansion) since it took the corsair’s job of tanking cannon/spore/turret fire to get your storm drops off

they are also occasionally used as anti-air against heavy air units like you suggested, but stasis/storm is the more common answer to heavy air


Scouts are also GOATed in late-late-game PvZ where the map is mined out and you can sacrifice some Plasma Shield HP to snipe units, buildings, and patrol-micro Scourge. Literally no other unit fills that role for P in a zero minerals scenario, which while rare at the top of the pros, does come up here and there at intermediate or above levels.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-21 08:13:13
October 21 2026 07:39 GMT
#10512
On October 21 2026 10:09 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2026 03:49 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
On October 21 2026 02:47 Slayer91 wrote:
On October 21 2026 02:20 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
ghosts seem fine, it sees play on fastest map and pluto AI's TvP

the problem is scout... maybe it should come with speed upgrade already researched

either that or make fleet beacon dirt cheap, maybe like 150 minerals/100 gas for fleet beacon, and make scout speed 100/100 with same research time as zergling speed

maybe thats a bad idea though, maybe skytoss would become too OP

in sc2's SC:EVO mod where both SC1 races and SC2 races can fight each other, i think they did buff some units. maybe they buffed scout there, because i often see SC:EVO SC1 protosses open scout instead of corsair vs sc1/sc2 zerg. i think they buffed dark archon maelstrom too, maybe made the mana cost cheaper or something, i forget

this is all theoretical though, i wouldn't want an actual BW balance patch because it would ruin 20 years or so of history


I really disagree that scouts need a buff, they are good against heavy air units (Devourer/guardian/battlecruiser/Carriers) but those are rarely used against protoss so it makes sense nobody builds scouts.

Like why are people trying to buff them so that they are like some kind of mutalisk? It's not what the unit is for

Actually I've played against lots of protoss in late games where I am using guardians against high ground defended locations and them spam corsairs which are dealing zero damage against the armour and very rarely does anyone try scouts instead despite toss often having tons of minerals in that situation

Surely there are some formats like fastest or BGH where mass carriers and BCs and or guardians sees some use and scouts can be tried out?
I remember Day9 using them in BGH exactly for that reason but in casual games


scouts are quite staple in fastest map late game, to main bomb the hatchery/nexus/CC close to the minerals, so the opponent’s mineral income reverts back to that of standard maps. it was even more of a staple in vanilla fastest (non-BW expansion) since it took the corsair’s job of tanking cannon/spore/turret fire to get your storm drops off

they are also occasionally used as anti-air against heavy air units like you suggested, but stasis/storm is the more common answer to heavy air


Scouts are also GOATed in late-late-game PvZ where the map is mined out and you can sacrifice some Plasma Shield HP to snipe units, buildings, and patrol-micro Scourge. Literally no other unit fills that role for P in a zero minerals scenario, which while rare at the top of the pros, does come up here and there at intermediate or above levels.


i've seen BeSt choke out many top zergs in hour-long mined-out games with mass DA, mind controlling units 1 by 1 while hiding behind cannon/storm/reaver to recover energy
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines1051 Posts
October 21 2026 08:11 GMT
#10513
soma vs bisu live right now!
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
Soft_General_5023
Profile Joined December 2023
162 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-21 11:54:35
October 21 2026 11:54 GMT
#10514
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10407 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-21 17:28:56
October 21 2026 17:28 GMT
#10515
On October 21 2026 16:39 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2026 10:09 Jealous wrote:
On October 21 2026 03:49 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
On October 21 2026 02:47 Slayer91 wrote:
On October 21 2026 02:20 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
ghosts seem fine, it sees play on fastest map and pluto AI's TvP

the problem is scout... maybe it should come with speed upgrade already researched

either that or make fleet beacon dirt cheap, maybe like 150 minerals/100 gas for fleet beacon, and make scout speed 100/100 with same research time as zergling speed

maybe thats a bad idea though, maybe skytoss would become too OP

in sc2's SC:EVO mod where both SC1 races and SC2 races can fight each other, i think they did buff some units. maybe they buffed scout there, because i often see SC:EVO SC1 protosses open scout instead of corsair vs sc1/sc2 zerg. i think they buffed dark archon maelstrom too, maybe made the mana cost cheaper or something, i forget

this is all theoretical though, i wouldn't want an actual BW balance patch because it would ruin 20 years or so of history


I really disagree that scouts need a buff, they are good against heavy air units (Devourer/guardian/battlecruiser/Carriers) but those are rarely used against protoss so it makes sense nobody builds scouts.

Like why are people trying to buff them so that they are like some kind of mutalisk? It's not what the unit is for

Actually I've played against lots of protoss in late games where I am using guardians against high ground defended locations and them spam corsairs which are dealing zero damage against the armour and very rarely does anyone try scouts instead despite toss often having tons of minerals in that situation

Surely there are some formats like fastest or BGH where mass carriers and BCs and or guardians sees some use and scouts can be tried out?
I remember Day9 using them in BGH exactly for that reason but in casual games


scouts are quite staple in fastest map late game, to main bomb the hatchery/nexus/CC close to the minerals, so the opponent’s mineral income reverts back to that of standard maps. it was even more of a staple in vanilla fastest (non-BW expansion) since it took the corsair’s job of tanking cannon/spore/turret fire to get your storm drops off

they are also occasionally used as anti-air against heavy air units like you suggested, but stasis/storm is the more common answer to heavy air


Scouts are also GOATed in late-late-game PvZ where the map is mined out and you can sacrifice some Plasma Shield HP to snipe units, buildings, and patrol-micro Scourge. Literally no other unit fills that role for P in a zero minerals scenario, which while rare at the top of the pros, does come up here and there at intermediate or above levels.


i've seen BeSt choke out many top zergs in hour-long mined-out games with mass DA, mind controlling units 1 by 1 while hiding behind cannon/storm/reaver to recover energy

I meant having the ability to kite micro and heal while also being able to win against Scourge, like Mutas as opposed to Carriers or Guardians! DAs are of course fantastic and possibly the ultimate end-game unit, but there are still things they can't achieve which Scouts can 🙂
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4269 Posts
October 21 2026 21:10 GMT
#10516
On October 20 2026 21:43 enuaj wrote:
I think it's several factors:
- No WCS circuit or EWC this year. EWC teams dropped the few SC2 Korean players they had. (Classic was dropped by Virtus.pro in September.)
- There was a terrible patch during 3-4 months until they reverted, at the start of October, to the previous patch, which was not that great.
- The SC2 ladder is full of hackers sniping the top GM who can win or tie when they decide. Blizzard banned the hackers when publishing the patch, but the hackers came back at the top after ~48 hours.

Is there a reason why we think orgs don't sponsor [more] Brood War players? The only reason I can think of, is ASL makes you wear their merch so it isn't enticing? But thats baseless speculation on my part.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7101 Posts
October 21 2026 21:18 GMT
#10517
On October 22 2026 06:10 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2026 21:43 enuaj wrote:
I think it's several factors:
- No WCS circuit or EWC this year. EWC teams dropped the few SC2 Korean players they had. (Classic was dropped by Virtus.pro in September.)
- There was a terrible patch during 3-4 months until they reverted, at the start of October, to the previous patch, which was not that great.
- The SC2 ladder is full of hackers sniping the top GM who can win or tie when they decide. Blizzard banned the hackers when publishing the patch, but the hackers came back at the top after ~48 hours.

Is there a reason why we think orgs don't sponsor [more] Brood War players? The only reason I can think of, is ASL makes you wear their merch so it isn't enticing? But thats baseless speculation on my part.

I'd love to hear knowledge/speculation regarding this too.

For example, SK Telecom T1 still sponsors a StarCraft II player: (Wiki)herO (Kim Joon Ho)

But we don't have that in BW. Don't even have random "Krazy Burger" or "Pocari Sweat" patches on players.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11906 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-23 17:38:34
October 23 2026 10:59 GMT
#10518
Speaking of returnees to BW

We have a "league" tonight.
Tulbo is calling it a CK, soO and BTS are calling it K-League

TulGod
ggaemo
Tyson
PianO
kOp (Chamchi)

vs

FanTaSy
Classic
Trap
BTS (True)
soO

Set 1 is a Winner's League format
Set 2 is a Loser's League format

a tipsy EffOrt also joined as obs some time for a while lol
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7215 Posts
October 23 2026 11:11 GMT
#10519
It is sc2 returnees vs well wathever you can call those others.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11906 Posts
October 23 2026 11:16 GMT
#10520
Yes Team BW Uncs vs Team SC2 Refugees
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1744 Posts
October 23 2026 13:17 GMT
#10521
Can anyone tell me WTF I saw the other day.

Clicked on Calm's stream and saw him sat with one other female uni member in front of camera. A lineup of other uni members, mostly female, all lined up behind him looking performatively sad and silent. Him berating the uni member sat with him in front of camera, who was also looking performatively sad and silent.

I did not feel comfortable watching it, at all!
EleGant[AoV]
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7101 Posts
October 23 2026 13:36 GMT
#10522
All I know is that Calm isn't the only coach that does it. Very typical to see a uni team's girls in a line after a team loss, coach criticizing them one by one. Girls look down, sad, only intermittently saying "yes."

Some cultural thing I suppose.
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
631 Posts
October 23 2026 13:41 GMT
#10523
have to commit sudoku…
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3406 Posts
October 23 2026 17:45 GMT
#10524
SC2 refugees team won after Fantasy narrowly beat ggaemo in super ace.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7215 Posts
15 hours ago
#10525
SKT1 vs STX proleague
https://play.sooplive.com/mhj9171/298107335
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12071 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-25 13:23:18
15 hours ago
#10526
On October 24 2026 02:45 TMNT wrote:
SC2 refugees team won after Fantasy narrowly beat ggaemo in super ace.


Anyone have a link to this vod at all?

On October 25 2026 22:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
SKT1 vs STX proleague
https://play.sooplive.com/mhj9171/298107335


T1 fighting!
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11906 Posts
15 hours ago
#10527
On October 25 2026 22:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
SKT1 vs STX proleague
https://play.sooplive.com/mhj9171/298107335

In case anyone is wondering, Shuttle is the STX stream because STX alums gathered in the studio (the one used for the unis)
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11906 Posts
14 hours ago
#10528
On October 25 2026 22:23 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2026 02:45 TMNT wrote:
SC2 refugees team won after Fantasy narrowly beat ggaemo in super ace.


Anyone have a link to this vod at all?

Show nested quote +
On October 25 2026 22:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
SKT1 vs STX proleague
https://play.sooplive.com/mhj9171/298107335


T1 fighting!

I haven't searched everybody's SOOP yet but here's Tulbo's perspective.

Already skipped to joining the first game.
https://vod.sooplive.com/player/210639231?change_second=12791
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2138 Posts
5 hours ago
#10529
Is it me or is the broodwar crowd really split between different places. Reddit, Discord, etc?
John 15:13
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