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Also, why the fuck are people not looking at JAT? This guy made a SCUM SLIP? Anyone want to explain to me how this guy isn't 100% confirmed mafia?
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Ok, town. Here is a question:
Does a Veteran die when he is roleblocked and shot by scum? I guess he does?
I am currently thinking about the possibility of scum interpreting Vivax boost of activity and scumhunting + his vigclaim as bait to shoot him (vet).
So if he was on the right track they could have shot + roleblocked Vivax to be sure and to kill a potential blue. In this case clarity had all the reasons to claim being roleblocked as scum. It also makes sense it's him who claims because Vivax attacked him before he died.
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Meh, maybe a scum slip and maybe not. Sometimes people word things little oddly. In fact, I am much more carefree with how I phrase things if I am town. We are not ignoring him, but Koshi and Mal look so bad right now.
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Yeah, FT... please use your brain (if you are scum you are excused). I didn't scumslip.
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I'm going to look into Koshi and Mal. I haven't read up in detail on the new developments. Right now, though, I'm basically sure that rayn/JAT/stutters is 3/4 of the mafia team.
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On July 31 2013 02:44 FirmTofu wrote:
Also, why the fuck are people not looking at JAT? This guy made a SCUM SLIP? Anyone want to explain to me how this guy isn't 100% confirmed mafia?
his post could have just not been thought out very well. In fact, he agreed that he didn't think it through very well.
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On July 31 2013 02:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah, FT... please use your brain (if you are scum you are excused). I didn't scumslip.
who do you want to lynch today and tomorrow (basically your top two scum reads)
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I´m going to make this very clear now:
On July 29 2013 04:40 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:28 FirmTofu wrote:On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote:On July 29 2013 04:24 FirmTofu wrote:
Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.
Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee. Reread it, he's so obviously town I find it hard to believe you can't see it. Explain to me how he's town. I already did that. Do you want to lynch Koshi or not? And why? If Koshi and Paperscraps were the two wagons today, I would definitely lynch Koshi. My biggest scum read is pushing Paperscraps, so I'm hesitant to think Paper is scum. Koshi has done absolutely nothing to convince me he's town.
Koshi top 1 scumread. Or exarezee, but FT has done nothing to push him after his initial case.
On July 29 2013 04:59 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:40 FirmTofu wrote:On July 29 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:28 FirmTofu wrote:On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote:On July 29 2013 04:24 FirmTofu wrote:
Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.
Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee. Reread it, he's so obviously town I find it hard to believe you can't see it. Explain to me how he's town. I already did that. Do you want to lynch Koshi or not? And why? If Koshi and Paperscraps were the two wagons today, I would definitely lynch Koshi. My biggest scum read is pushing Paperscraps, so I'm hesitant to think Paper is scum. Koshi has done absolutely nothing to convince me he's town. Why does it matter that you biggest scumread is pushing paper? What if you are wrong? Are you ignoring the possibility that Paper is mafia because of pre-flip association? That to me sounds like an excuse to avoid voting for / looking into someone. Not ignoring it, I'm just saying it's less likely. Of course, I could be wrong. In my opinion, the chances of that are very slim. If exarezee is mafia, Paper is unlikely to be mafia. That's a fact. Therefore, if I believe exarezee is mafia, then why in the fuck would I vote for Paper?
Why would i vote for Paper? Yeah, why?
On July 29 2013 05:39 FirmTofu wrote:Filter Dive of Paperscraps:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 15:04 Paperscraps wrote:On July 27 2013 13:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think any votes so far have been serious Agreed. The day has barely begun. If anyone has a serious FoS, they need to check themselves. Half the town hasn't even posted yet. I was hoping people would want to be a bit more "charismatic" today  , but it looks like playing the standard super serious pro-town meta game will be more beneficial to the passengers on this ship. It is just ever so boring, but I can deal with it. TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all. ##UnvoteMy first real read of this game is that I like where Tofu's head is at so far. I kind of feel bad, that exar wasted his time dissecting my shenanigans, haha, but not too bad  . This is the first serious post he makes. Using it as a starting point. I don't think it tells us anything just yet. Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 10:24 Paperscraps wrote:I have finally caught up! I wrote down some reads as I was catching up. First off I need to say some stuff about my play early on. I get why people would find me scummy so far, tone and sarcasm are hard to convey in text. This is why I will play a more standard game from now on. It isn't helping people find scum, if they are looking at me for joking and being sarcastic and not understanding that is all it is. hzflank leaning town - The more and more I read hz, the more I begin to like him. Not afraid to be abrasive and stand his ground. exarezee null - The argument of either Tofu or I having to be scum strikes me as odd. I don't see any interactions between FT and I, that would merit this stance. I would like a more in-depth analysis of this pairing. One thing that bugs me about exarezee is that he has reacted in a "noob" fashion to the two early votes on him. With his 100+ games played on the poker forums, which I have no reason to doubt, I just can't see why he would react so defensively. I am probably over thinking my read on exarezee, but I don't see him flipping scum at the moment, due his push on me which holds no substance and his reaction. Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. Clarity leaning town - Nothing really to elaborate on Clarity so far, I doubt most of the players would disagree. One great interaction I found so far was this. On July 27 2013 22:47 hzflank wrote:On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.
I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here. How is that post in any way more useful to town than to scum? You think that Paper and Tofu should be the two lynch candidates but do not state which of them is most likely to be scum. If they are both town then having them be the primary lynch candidates would be great for scum. If one of them is actually scum then you posting that without saying which one you think is scum is really not useful, as if one of them flips town you are in a position where you should assume that the other is scum, which give you a really easy excuse to vote for them if you are in fact scum. Basically, telling us which single person you want to lynch is good. Telling us that you want the votes to be between two specific people is really bad. Which of them is most likely to be scum? This interaction seems genuine. If either of hzflank or exarezee were scum, I would say the other isn't. CapJackSparrow null - I totally dig his RP gimmick so far and I am biased toward him in a good way. I want to say I lean town on him, but I would hold judgement on his alignment for now. Tofu null - I don't think his push on exarezee is the best. It seems to be grasping. The thing with making cases in general is you can always twist and skew people's filter to whatever you think is right. Initially I leaned town on FT, but after his case I retract that some what. Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far. I am going to read some filters more in-depth and meditate on what I have come up with so far. I don't have a strong scum read at the moment. Also I realize I haven't commented on some people who have posted, the reads above were what stuck out to me most on my initial read through. Obviously, I don't really like his read on exarezee. Null is the last thing I'd expect on someone like exarezee. He's posted a ton and there's a ton of information to dissect his role. By the point in the game that this post was made, everyone should have already been leaning one way or another on exarezee. His read on Oats is disturbing. I'm not sure what Oats did that constitutes that strong of a stance on him. Most of Ots' posts were one-liners that held little to no substance. Oats could be a possible scumbuddy of Paper, but I feel like that'd be too obvious. His reads on Koshi and Vayne are pretty awful. I can kind of see why he might think Vayne is town, but Koshi should be null or scum for every town person at that point that Paper made that post. Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 11:12 Paperscraps wrote:
@exarezee
If I was in your shoes and looking at my early posts, I would have realized that they were way too over the top to be serious. I voted you and said lets "murder" this guy, haha. Obviously I am trying to get reactions, since you are being so serious right off the bat.
I still don't understand how Tofu and I voting around the same time makes at least one of us confirmed scum. That is a stretch. More realistically, it was too people voting a rather serious player who was posting in a very "pro-town" and "controlled" manner to get him to show some real reads and responses. It is easy to act pro-town and push on people with very little to go off of early off in the game.
You haven't wavered much in your general tone and seem to be stubborn which is good. If you took at step back and got some objectivity, I think it would go along way to help you out. You have been focused on Tofu and I and haven't really paused to look at others, which is always a good thing to do. If you still think I am the best lynch after reading other people's filters, then by all means keep voting me. I don't think that is likely at all though. Bolded relevant. I don't like this at all. Why would tunneling be a good thing to do? Paper is telling exarezee to vote him? What? Why would town do this? Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 03:18 Paperscraps wrote:
##Vote: justanothertownie
JAT is scum. He just sheeped onto the wagon that was on me with out much thought and gave himself an out when I flip town that I am "probably" scum.
Vivax actually posted some content and I don't think would be the best lynch today.
Stutters I would definitely keep my eye on.
hzflank is weird read for me now, I really don't know if he is pushing as town or scum. It was obvious that he wanted to push on Oats and he even admitted to it, which I liked.
I have been very transparent in my posting up to this point. Yes, I had a lot of town reads when I caught up, You act like it is hard to act "town" day 1. I couldn't care less what people perceive me as. If I was scum, I would just be all amicable, maybe start some BS case against some one who made some questionable posts and call it a day. I thought the people playing this game would be able to read past the simple charades of others, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Good vig shots tonight would be rayn and/or stutters. I think their flips would be more beneficial than the content or rather lack of content they post. This is a decent post. He starts pushing a read and it looks like he is adapting based on new information (his read on hzflank has changed). I'm not entirely sure this post invalidates all of his scummy posting, but I can agree that he has been fairly transparent throughout the thread.
Conclusion: I'm actually a little bit surprised that Paper has been this scummy. If you hadn't made me filter dive, I don't think I would have this read on him. I agree, Paperscraps is quite scummy all things considered. However, his posting does seem genuine. I think that if we give him another day, he'll be able to redeem himself.
Scummy but FT does want to give him another day. Still no more pushing on his XRZ read or vote for Koshi who is definitely scummier.
On July 29 2013 05:50 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 05:46 Vivax wrote:
Conclusion: I'm actually a little bit surprised that Paper has been this scummy. If you hadn't made me filter dive, I don't think I would have this read on him. I agree, Paperscraps is quite scummy all things considered. However, his posting does seem genuine. I think that if we give him another day, he'll be able to redeem himself.
It's funny, Tofu, you actually bring some good arguments to the table (the "vote for me if you want" one), except for the reads. Do you automatically assume that wrong=scum? What makes me curious is that you want someone who is scummy to redeem himself? Is he scum or is he not scum? If he's scummy and you think is scummy, why exactly do you want him to redeem himself? No, wrong isn't scum. However, if I can't see why how his reasoning would make sense from a town perspective, I consider that scummy. Like I said before, I still think exarezee is scum. This makes me think Paper is town. Bad town, but town nonetheless. All the scummy things I pointed out could have been mistakes made by bad town. That's why I would much rather lynch exarezee and give Paper another chance. However if the lynch comes down to Koshi vs. Paper, I'm not so sure where I would stand. I'm going to filter dive Koshi as well and decide.
Does not know what to do. Both equally scummy for no reasons.
On July 29 2013 06:03 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm starting to see some connections between Paper, Malongo, and Koshi. I'm gonna do some research. Be back soon.
Now there is some sort of connection that is not explained?
On July 29 2013 07:04 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, I'm starting to warm on the Paperscraps lynch. I have a feeling that Paper/Malongo/Koshi is one possible scum team and exarezee/hzflank is part of another possible scum team. Lynching in one of these two groups of players would give us invaluable information about the other group.
##Unvote
##Vote: Paperscraps
Suddenly there is this. Nowhere does FT explain why the fuck is he even voting for Paper. Koshi is still scummy for him, and was scummier some time ago. He completely throws off the scummier people and votes for Paper. I could understand this if he gave some reasons but no, he doesn´t.
Also here is also where the foundation of "my reads might change" is put out. Look at the post. "Hey there are two groups (no reasoning why) where a couple of scum are". "When Paper flips town i can forget about Koshi & Malongo for no reason and start accusing XRZ (which i really did not do on D1) and hzflank".
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On July 31 2013 02:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah, FT... please use your brain (if you are scum you are excused). I didn't scumslip.
This post is beyond scummy, holy fuck. What's up with you and scummy parentheticals? Why did you feel the need to say that? Inherent guilt, anyone?
You ADMITTED that you made a mistake.
On July 30 2013 10:14 justanothertownie wrote:
Wow rayne now I'm convinced. Tofu you are right that wasn't thought through very well.
Why would you ADMIT as town?
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Let me think about that for a while I am actually quite confused at the moment. I will answer you - I promise.
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On July 31 2013 02:51 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 02:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah, FT... please use your brain (if you are scum you are excused). I didn't scumslip. This post is beyond scummy, holy fuck. What's up with you and scummy parentheticals? Why did you feel the need to say that? Inherent guilt, anyone? You ADMITTED that you made a mistake. Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 10:14 justanothertownie wrote:
Wow rayne now I'm convinced. Tofu you are right that wasn't thought through very well. Why would you ADMIT as town?
Why would I not?
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On July 31 2013 02:51 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 02:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah, FT... please use your brain (if you are scum you are excused). I didn't scumslip. This post is beyond scummy, holy fuck. What's up with you and scummy parentheticals? Why did you feel the need to say that? Inherent guilt, anyone? You ADMITTED that you made a mistake. Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 10:14 justanothertownie wrote:
Wow rayne now I'm convinced. Tofu you are right that wasn't thought through very well. Why would you ADMIT as town?
OBJECTION!
Leading the witness.
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Also notice that after the flip Koshi is town. No reasoning given of course.
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Yea, I agree. Tofu is much more likely to be scummy if either koshi or malongo flip scum. I'm pretty sure that both koshi and malongo are scum though, so tofu is probably scum too. But we are not advocating lynching tofu today correct? Because koshi absolutely has to go.
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but i also find it hard to believe the scum team is stutters/tofu/malongo/koshi
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I really would like some opinions on my scum roleblocking and shooting vivax idea. If I'm overlooking facts it would be a waste of time looking into clarity now but if there's a good chance that this happened then I'm suspicious of him.
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On July 31 2013 02:58 justanothertownie wrote:
I really would like some opinions on my scum roleblocking and shooting vivax idea. If I'm overlooking facts it would be a waste of time looking into clarity now but if there's a good chance that this happened then I'm suspicious of him.
too many variables to look into this IMO. Although one thing I want to mention is that IF koshi/malongo/tofu are all scum and clarity is still alive, i'm pretty sure clarity is the 4th scum.
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@Justanothertownie
Tell me your top two scum suspects right now please.
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This game is beyond retarded. Rayn is playing like a scum mastermind, leading everyone onto lynches that are sure to fail and then switching off of them at the last minute and going 100% in the opposite direction after the lynch becomes inevitable.
He was briefly scum on PS, but as soon as that wagon started gaining steam, he switched to Koshi. Watch him switch off Koshi once this doomed wagon fails.
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On July 31 2013 02:58 exarezee wrote:
but i also find it hard to believe the scum team is stutters/tofu/malongo/koshi
Stutters is not scum.
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