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On July 31 2013 02:58 justanothertownie wrote:
I really would like some opinions on my scum roleblocking and shooting vivax idea. If I'm overlooking facts it would be a waste of time looking into clarity now but if there's a good chance that this happened then I'm suspicious of him.
Hmm. I do not think so. That's the exact play that I used as scum (because my teammates would not let me change it to better nigh actions) and it turned out pretty bad. I think scum aimed the RB at who they thought was either doctor or cop.
We can read into it a bit better than that though:
If they were aiming for doctor then they aimed for the person who "If he is Doc he will target Vivax".
If they were aiming for Cop then they aimed for the person who: "If he is Cop then he is the most likely to target one of us who is not the GF".
The perfect RB target would of been a mixture of both of those.
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On July 31 2013 03:02 FirmTofu wrote:
This game is beyond retarded. Rayn is playing like a scum mastermind, leading everyone onto lynches that are sure to fail and then switching off of them at the last minute and going 100% in the opposite direction after the lynch becomes inevitable.
He was briefly scum on PS, but as soon as that wagon started gaining steam, he switched to Koshi. Watch him switch off Koshi once this doomed wagon fails.
I´m done talking to you because you are scum.
You still have not explained yourself.
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On July 31 2013 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 02:58 exarezee wrote:
but i also find it hard to believe the scum team is stutters/tofu/malongo/koshi Stutters is not scum.
Yeah, stutters is the oddone out of that scumteam.
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i have a pretty good feel for the scumteam if two of the scum are koshi and malongo. I think its clarity/malongo/koshi/JATorTofu
I'll post my reasoning for this if we lynch koshi and he flips scum. No need to post something that might not occur...and since we can post in night phase =)
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First there is Tofu who I still don't like (still think he is scum) but to be fair I have to look into what happened last night again before I am 100% content saying he is scum. The same goes for hzflank (in his case there is even more new information to consider).
Besides there is this clarity thing. Depends totally on my idea to be correct though.
I also have to look into vayne again but currently I have no opinion on him.
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On July 31 2013 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 03:02 FirmTofu wrote:
This game is beyond retarded. Rayn is playing like a scum mastermind, leading everyone onto lynches that are sure to fail and then switching off of them at the last minute and going 100% in the opposite direction after the lynch becomes inevitable.
He was briefly scum on PS, but as soon as that wagon started gaining steam, he switched to Koshi. Watch him switch off Koshi once this doomed wagon fails. I´m done talking to you because you are scum. You still have not explained yourself.
Wasting time defending myself when I'm not in danger of a lynch is a waste of my fucking time and would just derail the thread and serve no purpose. Your points against me are a complete misrepresentation and any rational town member who has read my filter should be able to see that.
You're scum. I'll defend myself if a townie thinks I'm scum.
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[QUOTE]On July 31 2013 03:02 hzflank wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 31 2013 02:58 justanothertownie wrote:
If they were aiming for doctor then they aimed for the person who "If he is Doc he will target Vivax".
If they were aiming for Cop then they aimed for the person who: "If he is Cop then he is the most likely to target one of us who is not the GF".
The perfect RB target would of been a mixture of both of those.[/QUOTE]
That's a good point. I don't think they aimed for the doc but maybe I should take a look at claritys reads at that moment.
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Sorry, I'm to dumb to quote...
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On July 31 2013 03:06 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2013 03:02 FirmTofu wrote:
This game is beyond retarded. Rayn is playing like a scum mastermind, leading everyone onto lynches that are sure to fail and then switching off of them at the last minute and going 100% in the opposite direction after the lynch becomes inevitable.
He was briefly scum on PS, but as soon as that wagon started gaining steam, he switched to Koshi. Watch him switch off Koshi once this doomed wagon fails. I´m done talking to you because you are scum. You still have not explained yourself. Wasting time defending myself when I'm not in danger of a lynch is a waste of my fucking time and would just derail the thread and serve no purpose. Your points against me are a complete misrepresentation and any rational town member who has read my filter should be able to see that. You're scum. I'll defend myself if a townie thinks I'm scum.
I think you're scum 
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On July 31 2013 03:06 justanothertownie wrote:
First there is Tofu who I still don't like (still think he is scum) but to be fair I have to look into what happened last night again before I am 100% content saying he is scum. The same goes for hzflank (in his case there is even more new information to consider).
Besides there is this clarity thing. Depends totally on my idea to be correct though.
I also have to look into vayne again but currently I have no opinion on him.
There is no way hz would have claimed vet if he was mafia at the start of D2. He is town.
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On July 31 2013 03:06 exarezee wrote:
i have a pretty good feel for the scumteam if two of the scum are koshi and malongo. I think its clarity/malongo/koshi/JATorTofu
I'll post my reasoning for this if we lynch koshi and he flips scum. No need to post something that might not occur...and since we can post in night phase =)
Read Clarity´s post about the roleblock. It does not make sense that he is mafia.
Look into Cora instead. He has been really bad on D2.
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On July 31 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 03:06 exarezee wrote:
i have a pretty good feel for the scumteam if two of the scum are koshi and malongo. I think its clarity/malongo/koshi/JATorTofu
I'll post my reasoning for this if we lynch koshi and he flips scum. No need to post something that might not occur...and since we can post in night phase =) Read Clarity´s post about the roleblock. It does not make sense that he is mafia. Look into Cora instead. He has been really bad on D2.
We have had 3 claims today. Everybody that has down this is town? Why would at least 1 scum NOT claim today? I'm really confused here.
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Put it this way, if one mafia fakeclaims and the end result is a mislynch today...we're at must lynch the next day. Not a bad gamble. If I were on the scum team, I definitely would have advocated some sort of claim from somebody.
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On July 31 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 03:06 justanothertownie wrote:
First there is Tofu who I still don't like (still think he is scum) but to be fair I have to look into what happened last night again before I am 100% content saying he is scum. The same goes for hzflank (in his case there is even more new information to consider).
Besides there is this clarity thing. Depends totally on my idea to be correct though.
I also have to look into vayne again but currently I have no opinion on him. There is no way hz would have claimed vet if he was mafia at the start of D2. He is town.
I disagree, I don't think vet is a super unsafe claim, especially if he realized that any smart vig wouldn't do it. Doesn't matter though because Hz's posting is town as shit.
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On July 31 2013 03:16 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2013 03:06 exarezee wrote:
i have a pretty good feel for the scumteam if two of the scum are koshi and malongo. I think its clarity/malongo/koshi/JATorTofu
I'll post my reasoning for this if we lynch koshi and he flips scum. No need to post something that might not occur...and since we can post in night phase =) Read Clarity´s post about the roleblock. It does not make sense that he is mafia. Look into Cora instead. He has been really bad on D2. We have had 3 claims today. Everybody that has down this is town? Why would at least 1 scum NOT claim today? I'm really confused here.
What 3 claims are you talking about? There is one claim, and it´s HZ's. Roleblock claim is not a "claim", and why do you think scum need to claim at the start of D2?
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On July 31 2013 03:17 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2013 03:06 justanothertownie wrote:
First there is Tofu who I still don't like (still think he is scum) but to be fair I have to look into what happened last night again before I am 100% content saying he is scum. The same goes for hzflank (in his case there is even more new information to consider).
Besides there is this clarity thing. Depends totally on my idea to be correct though.
I also have to look into vayne again but currently I have no opinion on him. There is no way hz would have claimed vet if he was mafia at the start of D2. He is town. I disagree, I don't think vet is a super unsafe claim, especially if he realized that any smart vig wouldn't do it. Doesn't matter though because Hz's posting is town as shit.
If there is a real vet it´s at best an 1-1 trade. No good claim as scum.
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Figured it out I think.
He was RBed because in his game when a doctor saves someone both parties are notified by pm. Scum could not possily aim for Vivax without RBing Clarity, because if Clarity was Doc he was always going to target Vivax. If Vivax had pushed Clarity too hard on day 2 then Clarity could of dropped a breadcrumb to let him know that he saved him.
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On July 31 2013 03:17 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2013 03:06 justanothertownie wrote:
First there is Tofu who I still don't like (still think he is scum) but to be fair I have to look into what happened last night again before I am 100% content saying he is scum. The same goes for hzflank (in his case there is even more new information to consider).
Besides there is this clarity thing. Depends totally on my idea to be correct though.
I also have to look into vayne again but currently I have no opinion on him. There is no way hz would have claimed vet if he was mafia at the start of D2. He is town. I disagree, I don't think vet is a super unsafe claim, especially if he realized that any smart vig wouldn't do it. Doesn't matter though because Hz's posting is town as shit.
He would definitely have known nobody would shoot him. The only danger would be a real vet claiming but that's not that bad for mafia either and I'm sure he would be confident in his ability to talk himself out of that at least til another mislynch happens.
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On July 31 2013 03:21 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 03:17 Stutters695 wrote:On July 31 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2013 03:06 justanothertownie wrote:
First there is Tofu who I still don't like (still think he is scum) but to be fair I have to look into what happened last night again before I am 100% content saying he is scum. The same goes for hzflank (in his case there is even more new information to consider).
Besides there is this clarity thing. Depends totally on my idea to be correct though.
I also have to look into vayne again but currently I have no opinion on him. There is no way hz would have claimed vet if he was mafia at the start of D2. He is town. I disagree, I don't think vet is a super unsafe claim, especially if he realized that any smart vig wouldn't do it. Doesn't matter though because Hz's posting is town as shit. He would definitely have known nobody would shoot him. The only danger would be a real vet claiming but that's not that bad for mafia either and I'm sure he would be confident in his ability to talk himself out of that at least til another mislynch happens.
No, you do not take a possible 1-1 trade as mafia if you don´t have to. HZ didn´t have to. That´s why his claim makes him town. He was definitely not the #1 lynch candidate on D2 and even if he was, why not claim later and first see if people vote for him or not?
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yes there is a hole in your theory JAT, RB does not roleblock vet status since it is an inherent ability, not an active one. That's how it usually works here. So no they did not shoot and roleblock vivax.
Really as I said before, if clarity fake RB'ed himself it will become very apparent later. It's foolish to think of that right now.
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