TL Mafia XLVIII - Page 88

On December 06 2011 11:11 kingjames01 wrote:
I just got home. Bad weather, slow traffic and dinner really screwed up my evening.

I read through the last 20 pages or so and I'm going to say that I'm not convinced on either of these two candidates, Hier or Palmar.

My impression is that Palmar was attempting to apply pressure and bad things happened. It seems that vaderseven wanted to be a hero and win the game singlehandedly with his gun. Soap flips Red -> Lynch Palmar who would flip Red and vaderseven's name is recorded forever in TL Mafia history. Unfortunately, vaderseven's instincts aren't that great.

The case against Hier is to lynch a non-contributing lurker to avoid a non-lynch scenario. I don't know if I can support that. Especially when I have such a strong mafia candidate.

Here is my copy and paste from the text that I sent to myself from before:



I hinted at it before but I haven't had a chance to post before now. Refallen is mafia.

Let's examine his posting history: Refallen's Posts

After discarding a few inconsequential posts we get to these:

In this set of quotes Refallen asks other players to justify their votes without providing his own comments. The purpose is to redirect the focus onto other players while distracting the Town.
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These next four excerpts are from the SAME post!
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More of the same:
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How many people do you actually suspect, Refallen? Where is your analysis on these players? Why do you spend so much energy redirecting/distracting the Town?

By the way, his reasoning as to why he believed that Soap was scum was that:


I see, Refallen... By your logic, are you not then mafia?

He was one of only 2 people to vote for Soap. In fact, he jumped on that vote as though he needed an excuse to cast his vote.

As soon he realized that no bandwagon would form, he needed a reason to retract his vote:
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We now get to the present and from his more recent posts:
Refallen's next few posts are directed at Palmar and vaderseven.

He's joined the vote against Hier.

My conclusion:
Refallen is mafia and anyone he votes, I will not.

On December 06 2011 15:40 Refallen wrote:
Oh good, so I got back home from school and now I see kingjames is accusing me of mafia, so I want to respond to those allegations a bit.



Kingjames posted this and said that it was an attempt by me to redirect/distract the town. That's not true at all; I have not been redirecting votes. What I have been trying to do was ask questions in order to gain more information about people's claims. For example, for the first quote, I noticed hyshes voted for syllogism in the voting thread without posting any reason in this thread, so I wanted him to clarify. Similarly, redFF posted this



and so I wanted to seek additional clarification about why he was voting for Palmar, which he duly gave. I hardly see how getting more information about people's votes = scum.

Again, the next few set of quotes were me trying to give my analysis on players. You stated that I was trying to redirect/distract people, but that's not what I was doing at all. I was actively trying to give my thoughts on players which other people were discussing to be scum.

On the contrary, Soap's post was much more of a redirection/distraction in the sense that he stated there was no useful information in 15+ pages of posts, and so decided to random lynch someone? At least, to me, that seemed completely weird. Though maybe I jumped on the wagon too fast. Perhaps I followed annul's vote too fast, but it appeared to me that Soap was clearly scummy, which I later retracted after being told about his past posts. And your claim that this was merely an excuse to retract my vote is quite baffling. In the wake of new information, one should appropriately change his vote.

As for the Palmar/V7 thing, again, I was just trying to clarify the situation. I also wanted to try and defend Palmar/V7 because I didn't think they were scum. I joined the vote against Hier because I felt that my most intended target, visceraleyes, would not have been able to get the 13 votes needed, and as some players pointed out earlier, lynching someone lurking>not lynching at all.

I hope that addressed your concerns about me being mafia.

On December 07 2011 13:42 Refallen wrote:
Right now I guess a reasonable course of action is to look at players that the two who died think is suspicious?

This includes:

kingjames (by both syllo and supersoft)
Lanaia
annul

What are you guy's thoughts on the night's happenings?

On December 07 2011 18:33 Refallen wrote:
If that's the case, and annul is scum, what do you make of his saying mafia has 3kp? Where did the last kp go? Did someone get saved or did Mafia doublestack? I'm assuming that if you got saved as town you should declare it as I feel like that would be helpful for town.

On December 04 2011 17:06 Refallen wrote:
Hello! First time at this, let's have a fun game!

On December 07 2011 18:46 Refallen wrote:
One more question Palmar, what do you think of Drazerk at the moment? I know you thought he was scum earlier in the middle of day 1 (which you never really elaborated on). With his role claim at night and now that Day 2 has arrived, what do you think about him now?

On December 07 2011 19:25 Refallen wrote:


I completely disagree actually, I've had my misgivings about Palmar but I believe he's been showing himself to be quite pro-town the more he posts. Why do you say that he started day 2 off being worthless Truth? What are your thoughts on his posts on day 2 so far? Also, I've noticed you've been bandwagoning quite a lot. For example, you bandwagoned with kingjames to vote me on day 1 and now you're doing the same on day 2. You look more the scum than Palmar atm



Yes, right now I believe annul, maybe kingjames should be the guys we're talking about today too. They need to defend themselves in the thread.

On December 08 2011 01:13 Refallen wrote:
And yeah Toad, obviously the votes are not set in stone yet. Have to wait till annul comes on and defends himself. At this point in time I feel he's definitely the best lynch now though. Still, we still have a good 36 hours in the day, so that's plenty of time for counter-arguments and more discussion.