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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 09 2011 01:08 GMT
#1741
ok let me think about it for a second.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
December 09 2011 01:08 GMT
#1742
Consider what I have to say first. Actually, I'll just post this tidbit.

On December 07 2011 18:33 Refallen wrote:
If that's the case, and annul is scum, what do you make of his saying mafia has 3kp? Where did the last kp go? Did someone get saved or did Mafia doublestack? I'm assuming that if you got saved as town you should declare it as I feel like that would be helpful for town.


WAIT A MINUTE! DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED BEFORE?

On December 04 2011 17:06 Refallen wrote:
Hello! First time at this, let's have a fun game!


How do you know what a "Mafia doublestack" is? Did you discuss doublestacking with your teammates overnight??? MAFIA

Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 01:09 GMT
#1743
Do you not think that with a vigilante already flipped, and another jack proven, it is kinda weird we have another jack in town? That's a potential of 4 town kp (if you're town, which you aren't) on one day (with the lynch).

In addition, did you never suspect v7 after he claimed jack? I know I'd be at least skeptical of town having two such powerful roles. By the way, you have been pretty sure I'm mafia since day 1, why haven't you just shot me?

I call bullshit. You are not a jack of all trades. Explain all your powers and tell us which one you used tonight.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 01:10 GMT
#1744
On December 09 2011 10:08 kingjames01 wrote:
Consider what I have to say first. Actually, I'll just post this tidbit.

Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:33 Refallen wrote:
If that's the case, and annul is scum, what do you make of his saying mafia has 3kp? Where did the last kp go? Did someone get saved or did Mafia doublestack? I'm assuming that if you got saved as town you should declare it as I feel like that would be helpful for town.


WAIT A MINUTE! DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED BEFORE?

Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 17:06 Refallen wrote:
Hello! First time at this, let's have a fun game!


How do you know what a "Mafia doublestack" is? Did you discuss doublestacking with your teammates overnight??? MAFIA



Oh hi there mr. irrelevant.

Get out, we're discussing other shit. Maybe he read a guide, your point is completely invalid and useless.
Computer says mafia
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 09 2011 01:11 GMT
#1745
Ok to be honest I'd say Erandorr or Drazerk because I still believe in my case and I still believe Drazerk is a liar. However the majority does not seem to support those thoughts so give me a second to get a couple of reads from other people as well.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 09 2011 01:11 GMT
#1746
i am not explaining anything to you beyond what i explained to the entire game just now.

day vig or mason are my two powers i can use right now, and whichever toad pics i will use on whoever he wants.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
December 09 2011 01:11 GMT
#1747
kill redFF

mason toad
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 09 2011 01:12 GMT
#1748
vaderseven: do you have the same powers that i have?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 09 2011 01:12 GMT
#1749
yeah I thought about mason me as well but that's not going to help town is it?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 01:12 GMT
#1750
On December 09 2011 10:11 annul wrote:
i am not explaining anything to you beyond what i explained to the entire game just now.

day vig or mason are my two powers i can use right now, and whichever toad pics i will use on whoever he wants.


What is the benefit of holding information back?
Computer says mafia
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 09 2011 01:13 GMT
#1751
Hi kingjames, I read XLVII and have been reading other mafia games in the downtime to get myself more familiarized with the game. That's how I know what doublestack is.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 09 2011 01:13 GMT
#1752
you tell me palmar, if you know what i can do at night then you can obviously play around it.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 09 2011 01:13 GMT
#1753
Other people could pollute your decision, as you don't know if you can trust other people. YOU decide Toad. This isn't a discussion, we need to see if Annul is telling the truth. What action is he going to perform and who is he going to perform it on?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 01:15 GMT
#1754
oh seriously guys.

No matter what happens, lynch annul.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 09 2011 01:15 GMT
#1755
I need to sleep now.
Computer says mafia
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
December 09 2011 01:15 GMT
#1756
I am not convinced that annul is mafia. In fact, I think it's a false dichotomy to say that either annul is mafia or Palmar is mafia.

Stop giving mafia easy votes! Force them to make fake analyses and the game will get much easier.

Anyway, these are the players who I have been keeping an eye on:
Mafia Suspects
  • Refallen
  • Zephirdd
  • Corrupt
  • mattchew


I have previously posted my thoughts on Refallen in order to delay Hier's lynch and to force mafia to use extra votes. I will repeat it here for completeness.

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 06 2011 11:11 kingjames01 wrote:
I just got home. Bad weather, slow traffic and dinner really screwed up my evening.

I read through the last 20 pages or so and I'm going to say that I'm not convinced on either of these two candidates, Hier or Palmar.

My impression is that Palmar was attempting to apply pressure and bad things happened. It seems that vaderseven wanted to be a hero and win the game singlehandedly with his gun. Soap flips Red -> Lynch Palmar who would flip Red and vaderseven's name is recorded forever in TL Mafia history. Unfortunately, vaderseven's instincts aren't that great.

The case against Hier is to lynch a non-contributing lurker to avoid a non-lynch scenario. I don't know if I can support that. Especially when I have such a strong mafia candidate.

Here is my copy and paste from the text that I sent to myself from before:



I hinted at it before but I haven't had a chance to post before now. Refallen is mafia.

Let's examine his posting history: Refallen's Posts

After discarding a few inconsequential posts we get to these:

In this set of quotes Refallen asks other players to justify their votes without providing his own comments. The purpose is to redirect the focus onto other players while distracting the Town.
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 04 2011 23:33 Refallen wrote:hyshes why are you voting for syllogism?


On December 05 2011 02:00 Refallen wrote:redFF why do you say Palmar is acting scummy?



These next four excerpts are from the SAME post!
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote:
Show nested quote +
Oh, I forgot to confirm.

I read my PM etc before I made any posts once the day had started (just to be clear that I am aware of my role align in all of my posts etc etc).


I thought this was weird by vader, wouldn't this be automatically assumed? Not sure what to make of this though, whether it leans him more to a powerrole/mafia or just nothing special.


On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote:
I agree with redFF's analysis for the most part, and I especially found it weird that Palmar proposed the no-day lynch, which indicates him to be maybe scum.


On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote:
Show nested quote +
VisceraEyes Scum-List of Correctitude


You know, I find this post a bit weird. It sounds like you're trying to get people to vote Palmar...


On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote:
Right now I think Corrupt looks pretty scummy but he hasn't really had a chance to speak out and defend himself yet. Still, if day ends now I would vote him to be mafia.


More of the same:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 05 2011 11:43 Refallen wrote:
Yes, what prplhz said about VE is what I was thinking as well.


On December 05 2011 13:47 Refallen wrote:
(Also I find it interesting that the other person who has called out Drazerk is VE, who I think to be slightly suspicious as well)


On December 05 2011 14:30 Refallen wrote:
I haven't been "jumping on easy votes" at all, I didn't agree with Palmar/Corrupt and said so, and I also laid out my reasoning why I thought Soap was scum. Obviously, I wasn't aware of prior metagame history which makes me think that he isn't so scummy anymore.


How many people do you actually suspect, Refallen? Where is your analysis on these players? Why do you spend so much energy redirecting/distracting the Town?

By the way, his reasoning as to why he believed that Soap was scum was that:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 13:35 Refallen wrote:
I feel that that was a definite attempt to redirect/distract which seems scummy to me


I see, Refallen... By your logic, are you not then mafia?

He was one of only 2 people to vote for Soap. In fact, he jumped on that vote as though he needed an excuse to cast his vote.

As soon he realized that no bandwagon would form, he needed a reason to retract his vote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 05 2011 23:11 Refallen wrote:
Also, ##unvote, since from reading Soap's previous game he acted similarly and was town too.



We now get to the present and from his more recent posts:
Refallen's next few posts are directed at Palmar and vaderseven.

He's joined the vote against Hier.

My conclusion:
Refallen is mafia and anyone he votes, I will not.


Here is an updated analysis:
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 06 2011 15:40 Refallen wrote:
Oh good, so I got back home from school and now I see kingjames is accusing me of mafia, so I want to respond to those allegations a bit.

Show nested quote +
In this set of quotes Refallen asks other players to justify their votes without providing his own comments. The purpose is to redirect the focus onto other players while distracting the Town.
- Hide Spoiler -
On December 04 2011 23:33 Refallen wrote:hyshes why are you voting for syllogism?


On December 05 2011 02:00 Refallen wrote:redFF why do you say Palmar is acting scummy?


Kingjames posted this and said that it was an attempt by me to redirect/distract the town. That's not true at all; I have not been redirecting votes. What I have been trying to do was ask questions in order to gain more information about people's claims. For example, for the first quote, I noticed hyshes voted for syllogism in the voting thread without posting any reason in this thread, so I wanted him to clarify. Similarly, redFF posted this

Show nested quote +
We are not even discussing nolynch until much later on in the game. It is the worst thing we can do day 1 because it gives us no information and mafia free kills. end of discussion.

Palmar looks kinda scummy right now.

##Vote Palmar


and so I wanted to seek additional clarification about why he was voting for Palmar, which he duly gave. I hardly see how getting more information about people's votes = scum.

Again, the next few set of quotes were me trying to give my analysis on players. You stated that I was trying to redirect/distract people, but that's not what I was doing at all. I was actively trying to give my thoughts on players which other people were discussing to be scum.

On the contrary, Soap's post was much more of a redirection/distraction in the sense that he stated there was no useful information in 15+ pages of posts, and so decided to random lynch someone? At least, to me, that seemed completely weird. Though maybe I jumped on the wagon too fast. Perhaps I followed annul's vote too fast, but it appeared to me that Soap was clearly scummy, which I later retracted after being told about his past posts. And your claim that this was merely an excuse to retract my vote is quite baffling. In the wake of new information, one should appropriately change his vote.

As for the Palmar/V7 thing, again, I was just trying to clarify the situation. I also wanted to try and defend Palmar/V7 because I didn't think they were scum. I joined the vote against Hier because I felt that my most intended target, visceraleyes, would not have been able to get the 13 votes needed, and as some players pointed out earlier, lynching someone lurking>not lynching at all.

I hope that addressed your concerns about me being mafia.


To be honest, this doesn't convince me at all. It still appears that you were doing EXACTLY what I said you were, namely, looking for reasons to vote and when bandwagons didn't coalesce, looking for reasons to retract your vote.

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 07 2011 13:42 Refallen wrote:
Right now I guess a reasonable course of action is to look at players that the two who died think is suspicious?

This includes:

kingjames (by both syllo and supersoft)
Lanaia
annul

What are you guy's thoughts on the night's happenings?


This doesn't even make sense. You can't blindly look at a dead Townie's suspect list and then say, "AHA! Mafia!" This post is very typical of an inexperienced mafia. Are you hoping that the Town will eliminate players that are suspicious of you?

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 07 2011 18:33 Refallen wrote:
If that's the case, and annul is scum, what do you make of his saying mafia has 3kp? Where did the last kp go? Did someone get saved or did Mafia doublestack? I'm assuming that if you got saved as town you should declare it as I feel like that would be helpful for town.


WAIT A MINUTE! DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED BEFORE?

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 04 2011 17:06 Refallen wrote:
Hello! First time at this, let's have a fun game!


How do you know what a "Mafia doublestack" is? Did you discuss doublestacking with your teammates overnight???

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 07 2011 18:46 Refallen wrote:
One more question Palmar, what do you think of Drazerk at the moment? I know you thought he was scum earlier in the middle of day 1 (which you never really elaborated on). With his role claim at night and now that Day 2 has arrived, what do you think about him now?


Still doing it... Why don't you do a little bit of legwork on your own, rather than to redirect everyone else's focus?

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 07 2011 19:25 Refallen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 19:15 TruthBringer wrote:
I made a decision at the start of this new day that I would give Palmar a second chance to prove his townliness, but as I suspected he would, he started day 2 off being just as worthless as he was on day 1.

Some guardian angels saved him yesterday when he was receiving lots of votes ("let's switch to zero suspicion hier!")

Bring it on, try and save him again without giving yourselves away.

##vote Palmar


I completely disagree actually, I've had my misgivings about Palmar but I believe he's been showing himself to be quite pro-town the more he posts. Why do you say that he started day 2 off being worthless Truth? What are your thoughts on his posts on day 2 so far? Also, I've noticed you've been bandwagoning quite a lot. For example, you bandwagoned with kingjames to vote me on day 1 and now you're doing the same on day 2. You look more the scum than Palmar atm

Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:46 Refallen wrote:
One more question Palmar, what do you think of Drazerk at the moment? I know you thought he was scum earlier in the middle of day 1 (which you never really elaborated on). With his role claim at night and now that Day 2 has arrived, what do you think about him now?



I think he's useless, and given that I think annul should be the guy we're talking about today I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I cannot be certain of his alignment either way at this moment.


Yes, right now I believe annul, maybe kingjames should be the guys we're talking about today too. They need to defend themselves in the thread.


On December 08 2011 01:13 Refallen wrote:
And yeah Toad, obviously the votes are not set in stone yet. Have to wait till annul comes on and defends himself. At this point in time I feel he's definitely the best lynch now though. Still, we still have a good 36 hours in the day, so that's plenty of time for counter-arguments and more discussion.


Why? Cause dead Townies who CANNOT possibly know our alignments were suspicious? Are you perhaps mafia and you wanted them dead BECAUSE they were suspicious of us? You weren't successful hitting annul due to him being saved and you couldn't kill me directly because I had only denounced you and that would have put a lot of heat on you? Mafia trickery.

Refallen is mafia.

##Vote: Refallen
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 09 2011 01:16 GMT
#1757
kingjames, that is bad formatting. no colon in the vote
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 09 2011 01:18 GMT
#1758
Mods said either will work.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
December 09 2011 01:18 GMT
#1759
Crap. I'll fix it.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 09 2011 01:19 GMT
#1760
Ok to make this clear. I would LOVE to shoot drazerk or erandorr. To be honest mostly drazerk but I don't think that will prove a thing because the majority is not thinking so as well.
I'd say prplhz is the biggest consensus (looked that word up in a dictionary, sounds fancy). I think he's scummy as hell and a lot of people think so as well.

SOOO, shot that guy right in his face or die yourself.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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