EPTTL Mafia LXII: TL Noir - Page 85
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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geript
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On September 23 2013 09:26 marvellosity wrote: Sidenote: I am troubled by VE's absence I already told you that his push against me was exactly the same as in the last game where he was 3P... But apparently I'm a bad player so... | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Firstly, yamato looks a lot better after his next followup/list post. Being wrong isnt indicative of scum, so I can forgive him for still targetting me. Hey bbycakes, if you have a *genuine* scum read on me; do the "ISO" and give me something to respond to. Lastly, I'm really doubting both of Lone_Meow / Chairman_Ray are town. Both have actions that could warrant a lynch. For me, to discern between the two, it comes down to: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=83#1650 I think as a newbie, Lone_Meow is prob a 60% scum action, 40% town action. Whereas, I really can't see Chairman_Ray participating the way he as town at all. It just read as heavily opportunistic, given that he added no new context, but tried to peacock his post by paraphrasing Rayn. Some of you might consider Chairman interactions with Lone_Meow as null still. However, consider his opening post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=52#1021 Consider his followup with Yamato pressure. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=74#1475 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=77#1538 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=79#1569 This all reads as heavily refined and non-natural ==> forced interaction This is then exacerbated by the unvote on LoneMeow On September 23 2013 07:51 Chairman Ray wrote: Unvoting LM as he's probably sleeping now ##Unvote I'll brb in an hour or so What gives? He clearly went after Lones jugular, and now after some yam pressure; backs it all up with no alternative. Im very confident thiis is scum putting all the eggs in one basket. Lynch with fire ##Unvote ##Vote: Chairman_Ray | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Was more worried about his pursuit of yamato, seems out of place. And his absence. lol | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On September 23 2013 08:13 ObviousOne wrote: ##Vote: Mocsta Stop fucking around. Who do you want to vote and why? | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On September 23 2013 09:29 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm catching up - I'm watching WWZ with the wife. How convenient, I'm watching it with my dad right now | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On September 23 2013 09:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Define "seems out of place" marv. I explained what I didn't like about Yam's post, if you disagree with me just say so. I'd rather you gave me your updated read on him after his last postings. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On September 23 2013 09:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Define "seems out of place" and I'll do just that. He means it sounds like bullshit. @Moc What do you make of Chairman's filter in his newbie game that is pretty "constructed"? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Everything I joined since then I believe has been replacement games (smurf/sicilian/GoT). What I'm saying is.. I don't think your meta read holds any water, because I havent had to play a Day1 for 8 months (I think personality 2 was in february) + I am inclined to do the things you brought forth as either alignment. Mocsta doesn't trust anyone Day1 as either alignment. Geript has been espousing moclogic forever, but hes never been able to explain it to me either. so meh? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On September 23 2013 09:37 kushm4sta wrote: just wokeup. nno idea what's going on. who do i vote?? who are even my options? Easy dude Chairman_Ray http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=85#1684 Get on that wagon of justice NAIO | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 23 2013 09:26 marvellosity wrote: Sidenote: I am troubled by VE's absence Agreed. About FT: It's like FT said. He tries to make up analyses of DP and Geript which are seemingly based on absolutely nothing. On September 22 2013 17:32 FirmTofu wrote: Just going to post my thoughts as I read. (On page 31) Mr. DP is being extremely defensive. Instead of actively hunting scum, he's running around pouring water on the fire enveloping him. This is what I don't like. Town DP is someone who reads the read carefully, deliberately, and cautiously. His accusations are usually well reasoned and well timed. This is precisely why he is always a good NK for scum and has a penchant for dying early in most games. In this game, DP is entirely different. Like, how the fuck does he know this? If he read DP's previous games like he said he'd realize it's not even true. DP constantly goes nuts when people accuse him; he even pointed it out himself this game. He makes an interesting point where he says that this game nobody is scared of DP---I wonder if that is true. Normally DP looks really good really early but this time he has a lot of contentious thoughts regarding his alignment and hasn't done a great deal to relieve himself of them aside from aggressively attempting to take down his attackers or stating to the thread that he will be ignoring them. Now he gets insulting for no reason---where does this attitude come from and why? I've never seen FT act like this: On September 22 2013 17:54 FirmTofu wrote: I understand that meta cases aren't always the best. That's why I haven't made a case on DP and pushed him like an inbred retard (see:geript). I am simply posting my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less. On September 22 2013 18:11 FirmTofu wrote: (Page 35) I don't know if OO is joking with some of his posts or he actually believes the shit he's spewing. Judgement is being reserved. On September 22 2013 18:32 FirmTofu wrote: You need to get off your high horse and step back for a minute. I refuse to indulge you and these ad hominem attacks. Maybe my meta argument is bullshit. Maybe I am completely wrong. That doesn't mean you wave your dick around like you rule the thread and every player is a piece of shit compared to you. If you want to discuss why my thoughts are poorly reasoned, I willing to have a go at it. I will not, however, humor you if you continue to waste my time in this manner. ^^That one I kinda liked lol, 'cause he's right. On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote: I would like to clarify my intentions here. The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion. Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies. I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit. This appears to me like a flat-out lie. Could be either alignment caught in a lie though---I have lied as town to dispel suspicions because it's often easier than trying to explain that you were just being dumb, especially to someone tenacious like Axlegreaser, for example. Then we have his exit: On September 22 2013 19:14 FirmTofu wrote: I don't like voting when there is still information to read. While VE is my strongest scum read at page 40, he may not be at page 58. On September 22 2013 19:22 FirmTofu wrote: @DP As much as I would love to continue to argue with you, I refuse to. I'm not going to spam the thread with an argument between (probably) two townies that will serve no purpose in aiding our quest to find scum. If you have qualms about me, we can address them at a later date. I'm enjoying this day 1. This is new. I will be sleeping now. Don't bother asking me anything until tomorrow. This looks like he just gave up. Again, the issue is it's possible as scum OR town. Arguing with people becomes exhausting as town, especially if we believe that FT is telling the truth about his own beliefs. Obvious reasons for ditching here as scum, if he is. I think I'm still overall null with a slight scum-lean on him just because much of what he has done is possible from either alignment. I don't think his attack on DP is as suicidal as Geript's though (which is why I have my townread on geript) because it is my belief that whereas Geript knows exactly what he is doing and why, FT doesn't when attacking DP, so the scum possibility is there. Thoughts, Marv? | ||
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justanothertownie
16316 Posts
On September 23 2013 09:37 kushm4sta wrote: just wokeup. nno idea what's going on. who do i vote?? who are even my options? Good question. I guess it is Ray/Lone/FT now? I will just look at those and decide which one I want to lynch the most because I am getting really tired right now. If I am supposed to investigate someone else please say it now. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
What makes me think Ray might flip mafia is: On September 22 2013 10:24 Chairman Ray wrote: Everything from how people vote, when people vote, and vote switches are able to give strong reads. Like for example, near the end if the votes are leading 6 on person A and 5 on person B, and my vote is currently on person A, and my vote is currently on A. If I switch my vote from A to B, and then in response someone switches their vote from B to A, and then A flips town, that really sets off a red flag for that guy. It also gives a really good target for whoever is cop, because it has the potential to reveal two scum. There are probably a lot of ways we can force scum to make bigger pushes to save each other with some creativity. I only have one vote, but on the first day, I will use that vote to scumhunt and get as much information as possible instead of keeping my vote on the scummiest player early on and leaving it there. It really doesn't feel like Ray has done this at all (I mean obviously he hasn't with his vote) - he hasn't tried to gain information from people either. Town will usually at least try to follow through with their plan. Look at this post: On September 22 2013 16:24 Chairman Ray wrote: I have played past games with only a few of the players here. Here are my reads on then so far: Coagulation - He was town last time I played with him. Injected a lot of one liners to get discussion going, but never really participated in the discussions themselves. He's playing pretty similarly this game. Umasi - He was mafia last time I played with him. He was very active and capitalized the discussion from the start. Took a good degree of control over the town. He's a lot more mellow this game around. I filtered through posts, and the person who looks the scummiest to me right now is stutters. He's made only a few posts so far. Every post he's made is a poke at kush, but his very last post was questioning me on how I would try to play out the last hour to make things harder for scum. It seems that out of all these pages of posts, and all these players, he's only interested in getting people onto kush and learning my scum catching plan. That seems like a scum agenda to me. If it was you who asked me that question, I wouldn't mind it since you've been asking everyone questions about a lot of things. However stutters very selectively asking me that question instead of the countless other things that have been going on in this thread really screams scum to me. He's asked who's scummiest, and gives two generic townreads. Now, Stutters is pinging his scumdar, fine. But is he using his vote as promised? Or, further, is he trying to get more information out of Stutters to better his read? What information is Ray pulling from this game like he said he planned to on Day 1? He never mentions Stutters again. | ||
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