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On September 23 2013 08:34 Umasi wrote:
A: when does day1 end and B: Can we get a vote count?
At this point, I don't know why he'd be biased against me, I just kinda took his word for it, but marv bringing up the previous games makes me wonder, although I probably won't lynch him today.
Why are people voting mocsta/want to lynch mocsta/think he is scummy/suspicious of him/whatever? I kinda think he's town.
Magnets: You can't explain that.
But you can explain your town read on Mocsta
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On September 23 2013 08:34 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:31 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 08:29 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:27 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 08:02 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:01 Koshi wrote:
@yamato77: Well, his first post was a really easy way for scum to enter the thread. Say some stuff about himself mainly that his reads are bad and that you shouldn't pay too much attention to him. Ending with being open for questions if there are any.
@rayn: WoS made a big ass post about secret taktics and it reminded me of his sekret tactics in Persona.
@marv: I am here, reading everything. I don't know what to do.
@JAT: Yes, I play different this time. I think it is because it is a big game now. I don't remember what I did right in Aperture that I am not doing now, probably activity. Read through his vote on LoneMeow and give me your honest interpretation. On September 23 2013 04:31 Chairman Ray wrote:On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something. Why would you say that voting Umasi is a terrible idea, yet vote him anyways? It seems to me like you are scum trying to get achieve a town mislynch D1, but unable to muster up any strong cases on anybody. So instead of posting a weak case against them and have everyone call you out on it, you beat us to the punch by telling us your case is poor to begin with. If you are really town, then a town who intentionally makes a bad vote is still hurting town.##Vote: LoneMeow I actually have no problem with the reason why CR voted LM. But that last sentence is really strange. Remove that last sentence and I actually like it, but that last sentence is just strange. Don't know why that was added. So, outside of his first post, is there anything meaningful that would make you lean one way or the other about him? Well he is attacking me for 2 reasons that you shut down immediately. He even brought it up again and you shot it down again. After that he is still on my ass. Dnu, what that is all about. Meh, he explained it well enough IMO. I'm having second thoughts about his lynch.
Well, find us somebody else!
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On September 23 2013 08:34 Umasi wrote:
A: when does day1 end and B: Can we get a vote count?
At this point, I don't know why he'd be biased against me, I just kinda took his word for it, but marv bringing up the previous games makes me wonder, although I probably won't lynch him today.
Why are people voting mocsta/want to lynch mocsta/think he is scummy/suspicious of him/whatever? I kinda think he's town.
Can you confirm or deny that LM and yourself have a history?
Read my posts about Mocsta, and/or justify your townread of him.
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On September 23 2013 08:35 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:34 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:31 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 08:29 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:27 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 08:02 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:01 Koshi wrote:
@yamato77: Well, his first post was a really easy way for scum to enter the thread. Say some stuff about himself mainly that his reads are bad and that you shouldn't pay too much attention to him. Ending with being open for questions if there are any.
@rayn: WoS made a big ass post about secret taktics and it reminded me of his sekret tactics in Persona.
@marv: I am here, reading everything. I don't know what to do.
@JAT: Yes, I play different this time. I think it is because it is a big game now. I don't remember what I did right in Aperture that I am not doing now, probably activity. Read through his vote on LoneMeow and give me your honest interpretation. On September 23 2013 04:31 Chairman Ray wrote:On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something. Why would you say that voting Umasi is a terrible idea, yet vote him anyways? It seems to me like you are scum trying to get achieve a town mislynch D1, but unable to muster up any strong cases on anybody. So instead of posting a weak case against them and have everyone call you out on it, you beat us to the punch by telling us your case is poor to begin with. If you are really town, then a town who intentionally makes a bad vote is still hurting town.##Vote: LoneMeow I actually have no problem with the reason why CR voted LM. But that last sentence is really strange. Remove that last sentence and I actually like it, but that last sentence is just strange. Don't know why that was added. So, outside of his first post, is there anything meaningful that would make you lean one way or the other about him? Well he is attacking me for 2 reasons that you shut down immediately. He even brought it up again and you shot it down again. After that he is still on my ass. Dnu, what that is all about. Meh, he explained it well enough IMO. I'm having second thoughts about his lynch. Well, find us somebody else!
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On September 23 2013 08:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:20 geript wrote:On September 23 2013 08:18 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 08:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 08:10 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 08:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 07:51 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something. By the way, this is total bullshit. On June 11 2013 05:11 LoneMeow wrote:On June 10 2013 23:43 LoneMeow wrote:
I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which. Still can't really tell which, though if I had to choose I'd pick Umasi. Both being scum is also possible but I don't consider that super likely right now. ##Vote: Umasi This is the only time (as town) LoneMeow has ever mentioned Umasi. "Notoriously biased" based on this? Really?! He's probably talking about their newbie game interaction, marv. Come on, it's not rocket science. Read what I wrote again, learn to read, then respond again. Thanks Wave. Hint: check the timestamp of the 2nd quote. Do you mean it is literally the only time LM EVER mentioned Umasi? I assumed you meant in this game. Don't condescend to me marv. It's unbecoming. I won't condescend if you don't assume I'm being an ass when I'm not known for being dumb like that  Yes, I mean it's literally the only time ever. Lone has played two towngames, of which Umasi was in one, and that quote (and the nested one inside it) were the only times he mentioned Umasi. And the mentions were "i kinda think maybe he's scum or maybe this other player, i guess umasi is mafia". Do you understand now why I have my eyebrows massively raised at his contention that he's massively biased against Umasi? FWIW I either coached or hosted or something one of those games as I remember and IIRC there was a big thing afterwards about Lone always and forever from then on thinking Umasi is scum. I could be wrong though and be attributing that somewhere else though. Could you do me a favour and try to have a quick look? I can't imagine where it would be and it would be super helpful.
Here and Here. Maybe not as pronounced as I remember but I can at least understand basic illogical bias against Umasi based on history as I would basic bias against me since I seem to roll scum a bunch.
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On September 23 2013 08:36 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:34 Umasi wrote:
A: when does day1 end and B: Can we get a vote count?
At this point, I don't know why he'd be biased against me, I just kinda took his word for it, but marv bringing up the previous games makes me wonder, although I probably won't lynch him today.
Why are people voting mocsta/want to lynch mocsta/think he is scummy/suspicious of him/whatever? I kinda think he's town. Can you confirm or deny that LM and yourself have a history? Read my posts about Mocsta, and/or justify your townread of him.
ninja'd you so hard, bro
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OO, why are you speaking for VA?
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I'm going to assume VA ninja vote?
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On September 23 2013 04:51 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 04:39 LoneMeow wrote:On September 23 2013 04:34 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 04:29 LoneMeow wrote:On September 23 2013 04:27 Coagulation wrote:
Lonemeow doesnt believe in re reading thread. I've read and re-read the thread and filters all the time I had. I'm simply nowhere near good enough for games with players of this caliber. Then don't get lynched as town... We need to get rid of 2 scummers rather fast because the 3 NK shizzle. It's already enough if you don't get lynched as town on D1... No need to find all the scummers. How am I supposed to do that when I have no reads and no thread presence? LoneMeow, on D1, nobody knows who is town and who is mafia. If you are town, you know who you are and that's it. The biggest victory you can achieve for town is for you to not get lynched. Voting for yourself spells a huge lack of confidence, and how do you expect us to believe in you, if you don't even believe in yourself? When you vote someone on D1, you don't know what they will flip, but you can be confident in that vote knowing that it is the one you will regret the least. So you can keep your vote on yourself, put it back on Umasi, or whatever you want. Either way, I am confident in my vote on you because I know you play a lot better, and I think this is just a ploy to get everyone to think you are just a bad town.
I must say, I take some issue with chairman going for his fellow noobie jugular.
is this a town that only has confidence to go after ppl he is familiar with?
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is this a scum exploiting an easy lynvh?
what's unsettling me is thenfluff chairman is adding in his push. but its just a regurgitation ofnwhay raynpelikoneet stated....
anyone down for a chairman lynch?
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On September 23 2013 08:37 yamato77 wrote:
OO, why are you speaking for VA?
It was more of an echo considering I didn't actually "speak for him" in the figurative sense. But mostly because he ninja voted.
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It actually makes VA pretty town. Dnu, why VA would do it as scum, he never changes around much as town.
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Ok, well if there aren't any specific questions for me I'm going to go study
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If I had to say we did or we didn't, I'd say we didn't, at least not that I'm aware of, in terms of when we were opposing alignments. We just had a scum game with eachother (the recent newbie) but that's not relevant because he shouldn't build bias out of that.
Mocsta felt town because he seemed engaged in getting me involved, and has seemed active and like a leader, but I don't have a way to hard defend my read on him other than 'kind of a gut feel.'
I guess the one thing that offsets me about him is his complaints that I was avoiding bigger issues, and when he had the opportunity to ask me my thoghts, he asked me a single one-liner about chairman ray before the wagon formed and didn't follow it up with anything else, so that was kinda 'ehhhhhhh'
On September 23 2013 08:36 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:34 Umasi wrote:
A: when does day1 end and B: Can we get a vote count?
At this point, I don't know why he'd be biased against me, I just kinda took his word for it, but marv bringing up the previous games makes me wonder, although I probably won't lynch him today.
Why are people voting mocsta/want to lynch mocsta/think he is scummy/suspicious of him/whatever? I kinda think he's town. Can you confirm or deny that LM and yourself have a history? Read my posts about Mocsta, and/or justify your townread of him.
I'll go read them now
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On September 23 2013 08:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:21 geript wrote:On September 23 2013 08:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 08:16 geript wrote:On September 22 2013 13:15 Mattchew wrote:
I am not allowed to read into wave's confidence right cause apparently he is always on fucks given level -100? Oh yah, this is why. There's no way to really know how many fucks a player gives unless you know his alignment. This just seems like a really weird statement from a town perspective as a 1 of in the middle of things. No, he's basing this on our VOICE MAFIA games, in which it was explained to him that I give zero fucks as any alignment. I have stated that I don't find a great deal of correlation between VOICE MAFIA play and forum mafia play though aside from certain cases though (kush), but I don't think Mattchew knows my stance on that. I do remember reading this and thinking, 'Wait, is he really reading me based on the two VM games we played together?' I tend to give more fucks in forum mafia though the more I play, the fewer fucks I give. Not in my opinion. How I see it is like me you care but don't want to. Can you rewrite that so it's understandable by someone who isn't living in your head?
It's pretty simple. I don't care about the games I play in, I just don't want to have to care about the games I play in. I think you're the same way.
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On September 23 2013 08:44 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 08:21 geript wrote:On September 23 2013 08:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 08:16 geript wrote:On September 22 2013 13:15 Mattchew wrote:
I am not allowed to read into wave's confidence right cause apparently he is always on fucks given level -100? Oh yah, this is why. There's no way to really know how many fucks a player gives unless you know his alignment. This just seems like a really weird statement from a town perspective as a 1 of in the middle of things. No, he's basing this on our VOICE MAFIA games, in which it was explained to him that I give zero fucks as any alignment. I have stated that I don't find a great deal of correlation between VOICE MAFIA play and forum mafia play though aside from certain cases though (kush), but I don't think Mattchew knows my stance on that. I do remember reading this and thinking, 'Wait, is he really reading me based on the two VM games we played together?' I tend to give more fucks in forum mafia though the more I play, the fewer fucks I give. Not in my opinion. How I see it is like me you care but don't want to. Can you rewrite that so it's understandable by someone who isn't living in your head? It's pretty simple. I don't care about the games I play in, I just don't want to have to care about the games I play in. I think you're the same way.
No that's not true. It honestly depends on the game for me. This one I certainly do care about.
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I didn't really get anything out of your talking about mocsta tbth, something like 'he's an asshole kind of but not really and won't talk to me lynch him.'?
I'm not seeing what makes him scum, basically, but if there's a post that I missed that sums up the argument against him I'll read it, could really find anything specific in yamato's filter, just lots of @mocsta stuff.
/afk for a bit eating dinner
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On September 23 2013 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why is DP obvscum, G-ript?
And since DP refused to do it, do you mind looking at my analysis of FT's first post and telling me what you think?
I've already explained that. I don't understand how anyone reads him as trying to move the game forward and there's lots of shit that he's been doing nothing with. All of the "town reads" on him make 0 sense to me whatsoever. Really though it's not a big issue because he's dead come D2 period.
As for FT post, I didn't hate it. But I think FT is an awful player because he doesn't reassess any situation in the dynamics of how the game is playing out. For example when he refused to admit that fakeclaiming Det. was bad because it flat out allowed Onegu or Koshi or whoever to not be suspected as scum Vig. You need to reassess situations as it's moving forward and information comes out. The other problem with FT is that I think he's so awful that he can never ever de-tunnel under any situation.
As for the caring thing. I'm a player who cares about winning and taking responsibility and shit; but I don't want to be a player to who cares / gives a fuck about the game. I want this to be fun and relaxing and most of the time it's neither. I think you're the same way.
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On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 18:50 DarthPunk wrote:On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote:
DP.
Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied.
Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I find it odd that FT thought I was scummy for being defensive. And then when I am defensive towards him he thinks I am townie. There is a real inconsistency in his narrative IMO. I think a scum Firm Tofu would ABSOLUTELY not want to get into it with me. Further his originally thread summary was really really off. Actually I have had some thoughts. I may construct a longer post shortly about this if you'll give me some time. I would like to clarify my intentions here. The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion.Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies.
I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit.
This still makes no sense to me. In the world where FirmTofu is town and DarthPunk is mafia, DP-mafia already knows he's reacted defensively and aggressively to previous accusations against him. Further, as DP-mafia is aware of this and as town-Firm has already stated he found DP's defensiveness mafia-oriented, in what world would DP-mafia not pick up on the inconsistency Firm showed? It's within the same conversation? How terrible a mafia player would one have to be to NOT point out Firm's inconsistency?
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