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Day 4: Round and round again![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/31lKL.jpg)
NoSmurfHere and Mattchew were neatly tied side by side and seated on the edge of a feris wheel's carriage's seat. They were at the apex of the wheel's ascent, and the carriage currently sat immobile. This they quickly discovered for themselves as they groggily woke from some sort of drug induced sleep.
Realizing their predicament, they struggled vainly against their bonds, trying to escape. Despite the fact that even if the ropes gave way they would still be trapped at the top of the ferris wheel, they pulled and writhed, trying to find some kind of slack to get an arm free. They were interrupted however, when the ferris wheel abruptly began to turn. Surprised, they looked around for who was manning the controls, until their eyes fixed with horror upon what waited for them below.
Down on the platform stood two clowns, who were flashing their victims toothy smiles while showing off the wicked looking axes they held in their hands. NoSmurfHere and Mattchew renewed their struggles against the ropes, but it was of no use. Inexorably, they came closer and closer to the clowns, descending slowly until they were at the level of the platform, where the wheel finally stopped spinning. That was when the slaughter began.
NoSmurfHere the Vanilla Townie got chopped!
Mattchew the Medic was axed!
Day 4 begins now! You have roughly 48 hours from this post, until 08:00 KST two days from now to decide the lynch.
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gg neebs
reaction on dying:
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GG guys  .
Already put my vote on twelve.
My defense against his accusations (and the arguments against him):
If twelve was really town, he would know I'm not scum cause I caused a voteswitch from him to ET, which would have saved him as townie, which is something scum simply wouldn't do.
Scum would have simply leaned back watching a mislynch and a modkill happen. But only one guy died, therefore Twelve is scum for accusing the people saving him from that.
If anyone thinks it's simply bad play and not scummy behavior, step up.
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Well I think that NSH's list is pretty good to follow. It was a mistake trying to save Twelve it seems: I thought he's a newb town just getting lost in all the pressure and I wasn't feeling his lynch at that time. Twelve's play Day 3 was damning, as pointed out by NSH.
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On July 09 2012 08:30 Vivax wrote:GG guys . Already put my vote on twelve. My defense against his accusations (and the arguments against him): If twelve was really town, he would know I'm not scum cause I caused a voteswitch from him to ET, which would have saved him as townie, which is something scum simply wouldn't do. Scum would have simply leaned back watching a mislynch and a modkill happen. But only one guy died, therefore Twelve is scum for accusing the people saving him from that. If anyone thinks it's simply bad play and not scummy behavior, step up.
Switching from one town to another is good scum play because it can gain you town allies, particularly the one you saved. see my thoughts on Katina pre lynch.
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lynch twelve and grush tomorrow. if ve doesnt die by then scrutinize him.
shaopi is town
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People should be scrutinizing me now anyway. -.-
I'm onboard with a 12 lynch, but I'm going over everything to see if I agree that he's the BEST lynch for today. We have time.
Kurumi, I'd like your opinion on the fact that Bugs and Matt were killed and not Hyaach, the DT who nailed one of the scums.
Hyaach, you should have another report. Let's hear it.
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I'm back! Pamplona was fun.
It also gives me a kinda unique position now in that I feel more like an observer than a player of the last day. So to start off my playing again I am going to post the kind of thing I usually hate posting. A list.
The Scumteam
Twelve - I'll just copypaste Bugs's bit here.
+ Show Spoiler [Why 12 is scum] +On July 08 2012 08:57 NoSmurfHere wrote:1. Twelve never switched his vote off BKE and never actually took a concrete stance on the issue. He simply chose to disappear during the mess in which I was hardcore tunneling and pressuring Katina. While I was forcing slips out of Katina I noted two posts and vowed that town should not forget them. I bring them up once more now: Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 10:32 Twelve wrote:
Alright I've read through Hyaach and Katina's filters and I don't see why you are trusting Hyaach over Katina. I had a strong town read on Katina, but after rereading, I realised it was because she defends me from lynches, but its always from one townie to another, so maybe she was exploiting knowing my alliance and trying to trick me into being an ally? Any thoughts? I'm feeling a but lost, but am willing to change my vote. Good god Hyaach if you are lieing about BKE....... Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 10:34 Twelve wrote:
any other DT that can confirm these claims from Hyaach? Note that after this, Twelve never came back. He never switched his vote and he never took a stance. He never switched his vote off BKE, and he asked if there was another DT that could verify Hyaach's claims (INCREDIBLY scummy). Why on earth would a townie try to out two blues at once? Definitely not the response I would've expected any town player to make, and definitely something that can be reasonably explained from a scum perspective. Twelve is almost certainly scum and any vigis still alive should shoot the crap out of him.
I know I backed off him because of the whole Rastaban deal, but I've changed my mind. It was just scum playing weirdly/suboptimally and I fell for it. Lynch today!
Grush - I don't have much to distinguish him from casualman. Both are completely useless trolls. However, Katina was very vocal on the matter. Casualman scum, Grush town. With the flip, I think we should not ignore this beautiful softdefense on Grush. She stuck by her scumbuddy until the very very end.
+ Show Spoiler [Katina champions grush] +On July 07 2012 11:11 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 11:01 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 07 2012 10:57 Katina wrote:On July 07 2012 10:52 Hyaach wrote:
u defend bm day one. added post after mkmk lyncht make it seem like you care. add on cases where the ebtire towns are divides in half. bke is my green check too. makes me suspect u even nore. cman is a troll and i dont know what to make of mandanlor and myself? lol. I do care.. The town is just about always half divided. BKE is green on your supposed "check" So trolls can't be Mafia? I find it interesting that you would let a troll live over someone who is posting their reads and trying to help the town find Mafia. You don't know what to make of yourself? Interesting. I would imagine you would have some idea by now. You never answered why you completely ignore grush the troll but not casualman the troll. What separates the trolls? What seperates them is that grush has posts where he actually says something. While casualman goes in active for almost the whole game and pops in to insult people or say "let's lynch this guy!!" I admit I have overlooked grush and a few other people this game. There have been others I can get an actual read on and casualman is just too bad and getting ignored too much to be true.
The third scumster
I think we should look at this list of DT claim doubters. Yes, I have a really easy time coming in post-hoc when Katina has already flipped scum, but I did read the thread chronologically, so didn't know for sure Katina had flipped scum. The claim seemed believable: he has a green check on the primary lynch target and a red check on someone else. He didn't make any fancy stuff around it, just said it as it was: he's the DT and got a red check on Katina. However, scum clearly had a good reason to discredit the check and save their godfather, so lets look at who doubted the claim:
- ShiaoPi - Seemed the most likely to be scum, but either scum have a second godfather, or ShiaoPi is town. His late vote switching felt really dodgy, but until all other candidates are cleared, we will have to treat him as town.
- Kurumi - I had a null read slightly leaning town. Am still in doubt, but could be scum simply for his behaviour around the DT claim. + Show Spoiler [ doubting the DT] +
On July 07 2012 10:03 Kurumi wrote:
The "DT" is even doubting a frame on Katina on N2(!!!) which is very plausible given that she was in the spotlight and we did not have anyone claim a rb yet. Sorry but I fail to see the logic here, his play is not fluid with what he claims, did he defend BKE hardcore? NO. Did he make a case on Katina and push it, so in case something went wrong we know what's going on? NO. He was just blabbering "vote Katina trust me"
Sorry to burst your bubble, but why our DT did not check someone more experienced N1? He wasn't even going anywhere with his "checks" just look at his play.
He does eventually go along with the lynch. I want to hear his reasoning in more detail. Kurumi, what convinced you to vote for Katina? + Show Spoiler [Here] +On July 07 2012 10:11 Kurumi wrote:
This is the last time I am going to believe a "DT". Fuck it, maybe he's really been busy or whatever the reason for sucky play, he couldn't commit enough. Choo choo.
- VE - I had an early town read on VE based on our fight with BM. However, I slowly cooled on VE when he picked a fight with Bugs (or Bugs with him). Yes, they both backed down, but the whole thing left me feeling wary. His behaviour around the DT check seems to be trying to get Katina to give him a way out of bussing him. A lot of questions for Katina. He could be trying to sort his mind out, or hoping people start agreeing with him. Also note that despite his doubt of the DT, he doesn't actually want to lynch him.
Doubting the DT: + Show Spoiler [Hyaach doesn't read like a DT] +On July 07 2012 14:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hyaach doesn't read at all like a DT with checks until recently.
Like, I don't see Hyaach defending BKE like he has a green check on him. Not even guarded...like, he mentions BKE and comes to his defense once or twice, but not convincingly like he has a town read on him even.
Ugh...and BKE as a check N1, I don't get that at all. Like, he wasn't reading suspicious of BKE at all, so checking him doesn't really make sense. Would anyone guess that he checked BKE if Hyaach had, for instance, been shot N2? Or that he checked Katina N2?
I'm just struggling with the whole thing and need more time. :/ On July 08 2012 02:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can lynch casual instead of Katina. Just sayin. I'd also be down with lynching grush.
As town, you either think the DT is lying and lynch him, or you believe the DT and lynch his red check (unless you have really good reason to believe his check was framed, but VE does not consider this). As scum, however, you want people to doubt the DT, but not lynch him! The DT would flip green and then his target would be lynched the next day. Instead you want to keep the wifom alive and lynch someone completely unrelated, such as, for instance, casualman. Out of the 3 here, I now think VE is most likely scum based on this behaviour.
MajuGarzett - I had a null read on him. It got a bit better with him hunting down Katina, but it's still largely null: I wouldn't be surprised if a scum got on the Katina bus early to avoid the spotlight attention, even if she was the roleblocker.
Mandalor - yes, he had the whole Katina hating him thing going on, but Katina's push never really took off and he has been safe despite the cases she made. This makes me think it could just be two scumsters distancing each other. His whole behaviour around the Katina thing is awkward, talking about there being no need to frame her because her reads were bad. I don't get this at all: scum don't care about reads when framing, they care about who the DT will check and Katina was a good target for the check. So he jumps on the Katina wagon, but has some really awkward reasoning for doing so. Add this to his rather poor filter for the rest of the game. The only thing I don't like is that his only consistent scumspects throughout the game has been Twelve. Twelve is almost certainly scum. Unless he is really into bussing his buddies, he's probably town based on this.
casualman - still unreadable. Probably town based on the Katina link, but could be distancing for all I know, because like the case on mandalor, casualman was never in any danger from Katina's play.
The Townies
Acro - confirmed town, imho!
Hyaach - barring any really strange shenanigans where Hyaach is a scum fakeclaiming a DT and bussing his roleblocker buddy (instead of a goon) and claiming a greencheck on someone else, Hyaach is a town DT. Given that I like Ockham's razor, that makes Hyaach a town DT. If they really did concoct this plan, then I will nominate it for best scum plan, but for now I'll treat it as a town play by a town DT, which makes Hyaach town.
BKE, ShiaoPi - by extension BKE and ShiaoPi are also town. One of them *might* be a godfather, but I will treat them as town, despite their scummy play. Yes, I realize ShiaoPi is in this list twice. No, I don't care!
ghost_403 - vig shot a scumster. Given that scumKP seems accounted for I think we can safely assume he's a town vig.
Vivax - despite him trying to connect everyone and everything, I think he has cleaned up his play alot and I liked him in the whole play around Katina. I am going to tentatively call him townie.
And that was everybody.
@VE: I know you asked Kurumi, but the answer seems kinda obvious. There's KP missing from D2, so scum probably knew there was a medic. They wifom'd their wifom around a wifom and figured the medic would probably protect the DT, so they shot someone else instead. Shooting Bugs was pretty much a no-brainer. Mattchew is experienced, maybe they got a whiff of blue? Maybe they just wanted to shoot another experienced townie before endgame Who really knows why scum do shit anyway.
And finally:
##vote Twelve
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On July 09 2012 10:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
People should be scrutinizing me now anyway. -.-
I'm onboard with a 12 lynch, but I'm going over everything to see if I agree that he's the BEST lynch for today. We have time.
Kurumi, I'd like your opinion on the fact that Bugs and Matt were killed and not Hyaach, the DT who nailed one of the scums.
Hyaach, you should have another report. Let's hear it.
Look up: ShiaoPi is Town.
Why Bugs and Matt? Look at the previous day. Then look at this one. I think the reason is obvious?
Hyaach is pretty estabilished town after the Katina lynch. We need a follow-up. Probably grush or casualman(? this guy did not even vote Katina yesterday, was last to vote, his only saving grace is that he was pushed by her...)
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@Acrofales
I wasn't really sure about the DT being a real DT(as in quoted post, I think that his play wasn't optimal). WBG's explanations were hitting my head but I wasn't quite sure. I just felt that having the doubt is the right thing to do. Probably the point breaker for me to vote her was her sudden comeback. I still thought that I might be right, but the chances were slim. All the scummy things were just happening. That's all.
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Since Shiao prolly is town cause of the check, I think Mandalor is a worthy successor.
I would also lynch VE based off the general feeling I have of him now. Didn't overly analyze his posts yet.
grush lynch is a coinflip, still a worthy lynch cause the first meaningful thing he wrote in this game had the purpose of defending kat.
About casualman: Well, mafia might have adopted the strategy of having one guy acting super badly, while the remaining mafia keeps targetting him until he gets lynched (cause one might consider it probable that such a guy gets lynched early).
That way, they'd have a pretty solid defense and possibly gain lots of cred. "But why lynch trolls when you can lynch scum?", town thought, and so casualman will probably get into the lategame.
Let's say I have reasons for not suspecting Kurumi. And Acro looks pretty townie by being one of the first to vote kat.
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Dont know what i can say to get the band wagon off of me but ill say it again im vanilla townie. Grush needs to die long before I get lynched.
##Vote: Grush57
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On July 10 2012 02:26 Twelve wrote:
Dont know what i can say to get the band wagon off of me but ill say it again im vanilla townie. Grush needs to die long before I get lynched.
##Vote: Grush57
Hush little baby don't say a word
And never mind that noise you heard
It's just the beast under your bed
In your closet in your head
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On July 02 2012 17:23 Mandalor wrote:
For the next day I would like town to vote on another guy from mattchew's list. Could be me, casualman, Twelve, Bill Murray or drwiggl3s.
Tbh, drwiggl3s and myself would probably be the best options. There's different people defending both of us so we can get reads on these no matter if the lynched guy flips red or green. Hopefully not blue lol.
I think mattchew's analysis is hilariously bad. I just don't know if he's doing that on purpose or not. The way the game is played right now, town puts a lot of faith in him and ET so we should try to find out early if mattchew's and ET's analysis is any good in this game.
@Mandalor: To what degree was this post sarcastic?
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On July 10 2012 02:33 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 02:26 Twelve wrote:
Dont know what i can say to get the band wagon off of me but ill say it again im vanilla townie. Grush needs to die long before I get lynched.
##Vote: Grush57 Hush little baby don't say a word And never mind that noise you heard It's just the beast under your bed In your closet in your head
I hate how worthless you have been this entire game, yet no one bats an eye.
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On July 10 2012 04:43 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 02:33 grush57 wrote:On July 10 2012 02:26 Twelve wrote:
Dont know what i can say to get the band wagon off of me but ill say it again im vanilla townie. Grush needs to die long before I get lynched.
##Vote: Grush57 Hush little baby don't say a word And never mind that noise you heard It's just the beast under your bed In your closet in your head I hate how worthless you have been this entire game, yet no one bats an eye.
Except for the several people who called me out the whole game.
##Vote: Twelve
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seemed like everyone was forgetting the rest of the words, so i filled in the blanks for you. 
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EPT
