Guys, there will always be bad things on fandoms for anything, as well as good things.
Sure Cupcakes was bad(actually, if you think about it, whoever wrote it is a really fucking good writer), sure its annoying that people only talk about it and keep making those not-so-funny-anymore jokes about how Pinkie Pie is and etc.
Also, "rarity is a whore" and the sweetie belle's stuff is ridiculous IMO. I can see why it happened, but I can't see why would people like it.
On September 04 2011 23:31 FnF wrote: You're. Not. Helping.
That was actually mainly for others, since the stuff posted there really isn't bad and I think most people would enjoy it, the secondary function of it was to lead you to atleast one of the fanfic sides of the characters(I've noticed that watching the show is funnier when you know that stuff, especially because you know that the guys who make the show know it too, since they follow it very closely).
One is a classic story of a psychopathic serial killer not unlike Sweeney Todd or Jack the Ripper. The other is played-straight child abuse. Guess which one to keep out of here?
On September 04 2011 23:31 FnF wrote: You're. Not. Helping.
That was actually mainly for others, since the stuff posted there really isn't bad and I think most people would enjoy it, the secondary function of it was to lead you to atleast one of the fanfic sides of the characters(I've noticed that watching the show is funnier when you know that stuff, especially because you know that the guys who make the show know it too, since they follow it very closely).
One is a classic story of a psychopathic serial killer not unlike Sweeney Todd or Jack the Ripper. The other is played-straight child abuse. Guess which one to keep out of here?
How exactly is a story about a psychopathic serial killer, with detailed descriptions of a disembowelment and more, ethically better than pics about comical childabuse(with PONIES and no shown physical violence at all(except the one with the bleach and that's nothing compared to cupcakes...))?
On September 04 2011 23:31 FnF wrote: You're. Not. Helping.
That was actually mainly for others, since the stuff posted there really isn't bad and I think most people would enjoy it, the secondary function of it was to lead you to atleast one of the fanfic sides of the characters(I've noticed that watching the show is funnier when you know that stuff, especially because you know that the guys who make the show know it too, since they follow it very closely).
One is a classic story of a psychopathic serial killer not unlike Sweeney Todd or Jack the Ripper. The other is played-straight child abuse. Guess which one to keep out of here?
How exactly is a story about a psychopathic serial killer, with detailed descriptions of a disembowelment and more, ethically better than pics about comical childabuse(with PONIES and no shown physical violence at all(except the one with the bleach and that's nothing compared to cupcakes...))?
Just... stop. Seriously, stop it. Both are terrible. Just... keep them away.
And go read the Celestia fic I posted above. It's cute and you guys need more cute and less gore.
On September 04 2011 23:31 FnF wrote: You're. Not. Helping.
That was actually mainly for others, since the stuff posted there really isn't bad and I think most people would enjoy it, the secondary function of it was to lead you to atleast one of the fanfic sides of the characters(I've noticed that watching the show is funnier when you know that stuff, especially because you know that the guys who make the show know it too, since they follow it very closely).
One is a classic story of a psychopathic serial killer not unlike Sweeney Todd or Jack the Ripper. The other is played-straight child abuse. Guess which one to keep out of here?
How exactly is a story about a psychopathic serial killer, with detailed descriptions of a disembowelment and more, ethically better than pics about comical childabuse(with PONIES and no shown physical violence at all(except the one with the bleach and that's nothing compared to cupcakes...))?
Just... stop. Seriously, stop it. Both are terrible. Just... keep them away.
And go read the Celestia fic I posted above. It's cute and you guys need more cute and less gore.
I did that already, got an idea when the next chapter comes? Oh and the end of the third chapter cracked me up badly, although I would've liked to see a few more details about the collection.
EDIT:
On September 05 2011 00:51 Xiphos wrote: Haven't posted here in a while, but seriously guys what the fuck, can't distinguish between fanfics and actualities? That's....so lulz-worthy.
I guess they just want to keep their vision of the characters clean.
On September 05 2011 00:34 SilentchiLL wrote: How exactly is a story about a psychopathic serial killer, with detailed descriptions of a disembowelment and more, ethically better than pics about comical childabuse(with PONIES and no shown physical violence at all(except the one with the bleach and that's nothing compared to cupcakes...))?
I'd point out that we're talking about Cupcakes the Meme (which, in terms of graphical violence, contains little more than just blood these days) and not Cupcakes the Fanfic', but that's really quite inconsequential regardless. Fictional violence and death between adults have been a common part of culture for, well, forever, and the majority of people of age can be reasonably expected to handle it as mature adults do.
Treating the abuse of children as entertaining, however, doesn't quite have the same dignity to it, and most would indeed react rather strongly. This goes double for us fans of a certain less-than-credible show for reasons I surely don't need to break down.
On September 05 2011 00:51 Xiphos wrote: Haven't posted here in a while, but seriously guys what the fuck, can't distinguish between fanfics and actualities? That's....so lulz-worthy.
I swear you people keep reading all the silly posts and none of mine.
On September 05 2011 01:03 rockerman101 wrote: this cupcake situation here is getting out of hand
Not really, no. There are a few issues that can be just swept under the rug and still rest in peace, but this is a far cry from one of those.
On September 05 2011 00:34 SilentchiLL wrote: How exactly is a story about a psychopathic serial killer, with detailed descriptions of a disembowelment and more, ethically better than pics about comical childabuse(with PONIES and no shown physical violence at all(except the one with the bleach and that's nothing compared to cupcakes...))?
I'd point out that we're talking about Cupcakes the Meme (which, in terms of graphical violence, contains little more than just blood these days) and not Cupcakes the Fanfic', but that's really quite inconsequential regardless. Fictional violence and death between adults have been a common part of culture for, well, forever, and the majority of people of age can be reasonably expected to handle it as mature adults do.
Treating the abuse of children as entertaining doesn't quite have the same dignity to it, and most people would indeed react rather strongly. This goes double for us fans of a certain less-than-credible show for reasons I surely don't need to explain.
And the stuff I and RPR_Tempest were talking about were as he called it "in-jokes" and he listed the one I mentioned among them.
EDIT:
On September 05 2011 01:03 rockerman101 wrote: this cupcake situation here is getting out of hand
As long as both sides try to reason with each other instead of just saying their opinion alternating over and over again it should be fine I guess, since fan-created content is very important for the show and partly led to it's success.
Yeah we need to get this thread back on track instead of going around in circles over some silly discussion and misunderstandings that will only lead to flames.
On another topic
I'm wondering about season 2 and the new villain Discord, is there any details about them yet? are they male/female? big/small? just plain evil or with some secret motives? i'm really eager to find out bring on the 17th of September I say or else im gonna explode soon.
On September 05 2011 01:11 Zoundsforsook wrote: Yeah we need to get this thread back on track instead of going around in circles over some silly discussion and misunderstandings that will only lead to flames.
On another topic
I'm wondering about season 2 and the new villain Discord, is there any details about them yet? are they male/female? big/small? just plain evil or with some secret motives? i'm really eager to find out bring on the 17th of September I say or else im gonna explode soon.
Afaik, Discord is male and that's all to it.
My speculations is that, coming from his name, he'll separate the Mane 6 from themselves using his powers(whichever they are), and the affected ponies become grey(like that RD gif that appeared in a commercial).
I'm mad about this september, so much going on, so close to it, yet everything is so far away. I'm going nuts!
To which I retort with my earlier post that no-one read:
On September 04 2011 21:54 FnF wrote: Cupcakes is as close to a tradition a community as young as this can have. It's like one of those Grimms' tales whose true nature and origin gradually become less important and less bothersome over time. What actually happens to be written in the .doc barely even matters by now; It just introduces an entertaining dynamic for mature adults to play around with. It's not some dark underbelly of the fandom.
You see, the details of the fic' are long forgotten. The meme has evolved, and is now interpreted as one pleases. The dynamics of Cupcakes can be used or referenced just fine without dragging the writing of the original with it (assuming you'd even care if they did).
On September 05 2011 01:11 Zoundsforsook wrote: Yeah we need to get this thread back on track instead of going around in circles over some silly discussion and misunderstandings that will only lead to flames.
On another topic
I'm wondering about season 2 and the new villain Discord, is there any details about them yet? are they male/female? big/small? just plain evil or with some secret motives? i'm really eager to find out bring on the 17th of September I say or else im gonna explode soon.
Well not so long ago somebody who read parts of the script anonymously revealed, a few upcoming things, IIRC discrod puts them in a labyrinth and uses a illusions or something similiar to make the ponies believe that their friends didn't like each other anymore and gives em a reason to leave their friends behind I think for rainbow dash it was that her homecity is in danger and that she needs to save it. I can't remember anymore what he said about the others and their reaction to what they saw, but I still remember that the reason of ranbow dash to leave her friends behind was the least selfish one. Those informations are without any guarantee ofc.
On September 04 2011 21:54 FnF wrote: Cupcakes is as close to a tradition a community as young as this can have. It's like one of those Grimms' tales whose true nature and origin gradually become less important and less bothersome over time. What actually happens to be written in the .doc barely even matters by now; It just introduces an entertaining dynamic for mature adults to play around with. It's not some dark underbelly of the fandom.
You see, the details of the fic' are long forgotten. The meme has evolved, and is now interpreted as one pleases. The dynamics of Cupcakes can be used or referenced just fine without dragging the writing of the original with it (assuming you'd even care if they did).
So using a story like that is fine as long as it's so old that nobody cares about the actual content anymore? Don't even bother to awnser, to be honest I just don't care anymore and probably won't even read your awnser.
I'd say Applebloom sums it up nicely, let's talk about something else folks!
As for Discord, I thought the MLP crew said it wasn't a real leak? I think I read it somewhere on Equestria Daily, is the antagonist Discord really confirmed?
I'd say Applebloom sums it up nicely, let's talk about something else folks!
As for Discord, I thought the MLP crew said it wasn't a real leak? I think I read it somewhere on Equestria Daily, is the antagonist Discord really confirmed?
Discord is confirmed, everything else(aside from the commercial footage) isn't.
On September 04 2011 19:52 Gary Oak wrote: It has nothing to do with Cupcakes! Rainbow Dash is fine, it's just alt art of her going insane or something. =p
Having read it and a few alt. endings I'm pretty sure that's at least one of them, just so you know.
On September 04 2011 19:57 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On September 04 2011 19:51 Rareware wrote:
On September 04 2011 13:06 Gary Oak wrote: More random pony images:
Come on give a warning if your going to post cupcakes....
I'm sick to death of hearing about Cupcakes. Pinkie Pie has a breakdown in episode 25? OH MY GOD OBVIOUSLY THE CREATORS DID IT AS A NOD TO CUPCAKES!
Everywhere I look there's some god damn Cupcakes reference, and I shouldn't have to love and tolerate that shit. I'm fine with that fanfic existing, but it's far from the most brutal or gory fanfic created so the fact that it gets so much attention when really it's just another fanfic is ridiculous.
There certainly are more gory fics right now, but Cupcakes is pretty old, I think it's probably the first overly gory one. Certainly the first one to gain any notable attention.
I only read it, after doing so I had no interest in reading deeper into it (such as alt endings). I only posted it because to me it's alt art (didn't make me think of Cupcakes) and I like alt art. I apologize to anyone that didn't like it.
Who's Derpy Hooves? And is Princess Luna the same person as Nightmare Moon, or somebody else?
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I've not been appreciating the discussion for the last couple of pages (except for the discussion about Discord, which hadn't existed when I started this post)... so I'm just going to put together a couple of very simple thoughts about the season as a whole, even though I have yet to finish reviewing every individual episode
MLP: FiM season 1 was no Cowboy Bebop. It was no Full Metal Panic! Fumoffu, it was no House season 4, and it was no Whose Line Is It Anyway? All of those were shows that carved their way into my heart, if you don't mind me employing the cheesiest phrasing possible. However, this show about Twilight Sparkle and her friends became much more heartfelt than I would have expected, and I would say that MLP:FiM probably ranks in my tier 2 of shows, alongside Big Bang Theory and Heroes season 1 and... well, I'm not sure what else*
I'm reminded of Kids Next Door, which was a show meant to be some good imaginative fun for kids, and I enjoyed any occasional episode I could catch. My Little Ponies is designed to be fun for girls, but more than that it is meant to have strong characters with strong relations... as has already been said repeatedly, this is a character driven show.
As I reflect on the episodes I've watched over this past week, I remember them fondly. I find myself somewhat eager to watch a few of the episodes a second time, and I'm curious about season two. Though I'm obviously not jumping around with excited anticipation, I think it stands as an impressive accomplishment, as MLP avoided using any form of cliffhanger to raise hype for its second season. Compare this to Burn Notice, which drops Michael into a precarious or plot-changing situation with the last episode of every season, or House, which drops the famed doctor into some mind-altering or life-threatening situation with the last couple of episodes of every season. MLP operates purely on charm - as well it should, because by humbug ponies are CUTE.
However... I'm concerned that MLP will ultimately lack the depth necessary to maintain an adult audience (at least this particular adult**). Then again, I continue to find leisure time in which to stream episodes of Californication and Burn Notice once every few months, when I happen to realize that another season has been created... but has my life been improved by having seen Californication? Not at all. I wish I had spent that time reading instead.
I hope that in the future I will not hold similar regrets about MLP.
If in the future I do, then the world can laugh at me, because I'm a 19 year old male watching a show about my little ponies. Personally, the only part I find ridiculous about the situation is the amount of time spent on watching television of any sort.***
As a rule, television is something I waste time on when I'm tired or sleepy or eating or busy doing something else, so until I came along this thread I hadn't devoted much time at all to ranking the shows I've seen or giving much more thought to them than I had while watching them. I think movies are usually more potent, and obviously books, and also recent videogames. Up until today, I hadn't even realized how many shows I've seen. =/
I almost wrote, "when I should be outside instead," but I live in fucking florida and I absolutely hate being outside in warm weather. I can't wait to get back to Cali for school, once it starts up again
On September 04 2011 19:52 Gary Oak wrote: It has nothing to do with Cupcakes! Rainbow Dash is fine, it's just alt art of her going insane or something. =p
Having read it and a few alt. endings I'm pretty sure that's at least one of them, just so you know.
On September 04 2011 19:57 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On September 04 2011 19:51 Rareware wrote:
On September 04 2011 13:06 Gary Oak wrote: More random pony images:
Come on give a warning if your going to post cupcakes....
I'm sick to death of hearing about Cupcakes. Pinkie Pie has a breakdown in episode 25? OH MY GOD OBVIOUSLY THE CREATORS DID IT AS A NOD TO CUPCAKES!
Everywhere I look there's some god damn Cupcakes reference, and I shouldn't have to love and tolerate that shit. I'm fine with that fanfic existing, but it's far from the most brutal or gory fanfic created so the fact that it gets so much attention when really it's just another fanfic is ridiculous.
There certainly are more gory fics right now, but Cupcakes is pretty old, I think it's probably the first overly gory one. Certainly the first one to gain any notable attention.
I only read it, after doing so I had no interest in reading deeper into it (such as alt endings). I only posted it because to me it's alt art (didn't make me think of Cupcakes) and I like alt art. I apologize to anyone that didn't like it.
Who's Derpy Hooves? And is Princess Luna the same person as Nightmare Moon, or somebody else?
--
I've not been appreciating the discussion for the last couple of pages (except for the discussion about Discord, which hadn't existed when I started this post)... so I'm just going to put together a couple of very simple thoughts about the season as a whole, even though I have yet to finish reviewing every individual episode
MLP: FiM season 1 was no Cowboy Bebop. It was no Full Metal Panic! Fumoffu, it was no House season 4, and it was no Whose Line Is It Anyway? All of those were shows that carved their way into my heart, if you don't mind me employing the cheesiest phrasing possible. However, this show about Twilight Sparkle and her friends became much more heartfelt than I would have expected, and I would say that MLP:FiM probably ranks in my tier 2 of shows, alongside Big Bang Theory and Heroes season 1 and... well, I'm not sure what else*
I'm reminded of Kids Next Door, which was a show meant to be some good imaginative fun for kids, and I enjoyed any occasional episode I could catch. My Little Ponies is designed to be fun for girls, but more than that it is meant to have strong characters with strong relations... as has already been said repeatedly, this is a character driven show.
As I reflect on the episodes I've watched over this past week, I remember them fondly. I find myself somewhat eager to watch a few of the episodes a second time, and I'm curious about season two. Though I'm obviously not jumping around with excited anticipation, I think it stands as an impressive accomplishment, as MLP avoided using any form of cliffhanger to raise hype for its second season. Compare this to Burn Notice, which drops Michael into a precarious or plot-changing situation with the last episode of every season, or House, which drops the famed doctor into some mind-altering or life-threatening situation with the last couple of episodes of every season. MLP operates purely on charm - as well it should, because by humbug ponies are CUTE.
However... I'm concerned that MLP will ultimately lack the depth necessary to maintain an adult audience (at least this particular adult**). Then again, I continue to find leisure time in which to stream episodes of Californication and Burn Notice once every few months, when I happen to realize that another season has been created... but has my life been improved by having seen Californication? Not at all. I wish I had spent that time reading instead.
I hope that in the future I will not hold similar regrets about MLP.
If in the future I do, then the world can laugh at me, because I'm a 19 year old male watching a show about my little ponies. Personally, the only part I find ridiculous about the situation is the amount of time spent on watching television of any sort.***
As a rule, television is something I waste time on when I'm tired or sleepy or eating or busy doing something else, so until I came along this thread I hadn't devoted much time at all to ranking the shows I've seen or giving much more thought to them than I had while watching them. I think movies are usually more potent, and obviously books, and also recent videogames. Up until today, I hadn't even realized how many shows I've seen. =/
I almost wrote, "when I should be outside instead," but I live in fucking florida and I absolutely hate being outside in warm weather. I can't wait to get back to Cali for school, once it starts up again
*INHALE* Yaaaay~!
Derpy Hooves is a fan-given name to the grey yellow-eyed pegasus that appeared in the first episode with defective eyes. It was a mistake in the animation, but the producers decided to keep her like that on the following episodes, and she would only appear as a cameo. Her most noticeable appearance was on Feeling Pinkie Keen, where she drops a(*ahem*) piano over Twilight.
It was confirmed that she would appear more in Season 2 due to the fans loving the derp-eyed pegasus, having a role more noticeable than just cameo. That is, according to the producer's "Ask Me Anything" on reddit.
She may also be known as Ditzy Doo on fanfics, since this is a generally more "intelligent" name for her, and also has an Unicorn daughter called Dinky Doo(on fics, that is). This unicorn is also gray with a blonde mane, and is seen on class with Applebloom.
Princess Luna and Nightmare Moon are taken as different ponies most of the time, or with NMM being a corrupted version of Luna, but since there is little to no information on them it's all purely speculation
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