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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 23 2013 23:43 Vivax wrote: Lynch Toad, I'm willing to take full responsibility if it's a mislynch, but just lynch Toad cause it won't be. CTRL-F all of the things he quotes and says about Oats and proceed to lynch him. just quoted so I can find it postgame to tell you how bad you are at playing mafia | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I only played the game for 72 hours so it barely counts  | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On January 23 2013 23:39 Mocsta wrote: Annul sorry this is important for a guy like me who doesnt have context. You and Palmar seem to have a history? Whats the cause for the /out? the context is palmar has yet to play a game with me where he did not push for my lynch. he has done so in games where i have been green, where i have been red, and where i have been blue. it doesn't matter -- there literally has not been a single game i have played with him in it where he did not push for my death. in fairness he is much less aggressive with it this game but i sense it is because he figures others are doing the work for him | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 23 2013 23:47 Oatsmaster wrote: lol Still under the spell of returning to mafia :D I only played the game for 72 hours so it barely counts What counts is that you were immediately suspicious of Mocsta in the game you just finished playing, and in general you were suspicious of many players Day 1. Which is the complete opposite of your attitude this game. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I can honestly say I thought that in the Newbie game I would be one of the town leaders Here, I shy.  | ||
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Vivax
22414 Posts
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On January 23 2013 19:04 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2013 14:50 AxleGreaser wrote: Absolutely, we should NOT discuss who we are protecting tonight Last night that didn't work out at all well. However Bugs DID Then Toad Conveniently did what was maximally bad and most likely to result in Sherrif and a Doc if there is one protecting the same person. Toad Claims with logs that cant be verified. That he and Sandroba decided that together. I find that in itself implausible. I believe Sandroba is better than that. I believe Toad is better than that. That Scum then happened to luck out and guess who to attack when their other targets were so Low key.. is to me mind boggling lucky.... or it is a plan. If Toad is scum and takes the sheriff protection off Sandroba, scum kills Sandroba then Toad can claim the logs made him do it. Exactly how tricky does scum toad make his plans? I'm suspicious of Toad as well. I just don't see mafia being so precise or lucky with their kills without full knowledge of what he's going to do. I am against putting a taboo over the NK talk. For the fans of Ockham's : Mafia knew who was going to get jailed and that Bugs was going to be roleblocked, so they shot players like Djo and JX. Highly unlikely that they thought about 3² variations of WIFOM to determine their targets in such a way. Huh? When did this happen? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On January 23 2013 23:47 annul wrote: the context is palmar has yet to play a game with me where he did not push for my lynch. he has done so in games where i have been green, where i have been red, and where i have been blue. it doesn't matter -- there literally has not been a single game i have played with him in it where he did not push for my death. in fairness he is much less aggressive with it this game but i sense it is because he figures others are doing the work for him Annul... there are still 20 players that have a vote Please dont give up just because you assume FT may be Palmar. Im going to read your filter soon, and will have some questions ( I hope).. I would appreciate if once they are ready you could take the time to address them. Thanks, | ||
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Vivax
22414 Posts
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 23 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote: More players/better players. I can honestly say I thought that in the Newbie game I would be one of the town leaders Here, I shy. And yet in Chrono Trigger, you were suspicious and making cases immediately. You also ran for party leader despite it being your first game. I don't buy your shy story at all. Your lack of suspicions this game compared to how suspicious you are as town is striking. Plus the difference in wanting to lynch someone after two posts and saying it's quick to vilify someone after 2 posts is almost unbelievable. For bugs' eyes - you said it was unlikely that a mafia Oats would make a case on gonzaw, someone both prominent and attacking him. This was based on a general heuristic. A look at Oats' play in his own games reveals this to be false, however. In the game he rolled mafia, Oats attacked and made a case on the townplayer with the most credit who had made a case on him. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I made one case on Clarity cause I thought it was a townie thing to do. I already told you, my play was so scummy that game, so should I continue to do it? Or change? | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 24 2013 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote: I ran for party leader cause blue roles be imba. I made one case on Clarity cause I thought it was a townie thing to do. I already told you, my play was so scummy that game, so should I continue to do it? Or change? Why do you keep ignoring the just-finished game where you were suspicious immediately, and of several players throughout the first day? You were shot for being so townie. It makes no sense at all that you claim to be 'shy' this game, when you didn't show that attitude in your other game with veterans, whether you had a blue role in that game or otherwise. | ||
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Vivax
22414 Posts
Can you assume that Oats isn't scum for a moment and take a look at Toad? Thanks. You also posted a somewhat-read about gonzaw, but you aren't interested in hearing opinions about him?Or asking him questions? Where is gonzaw anyway? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On January 23 2013 23:48 FiveTouch wrote: What counts is that you were immediately suspicious of Mocsta in the game you just finished playing, and in general you were suspicious of many players Day 1. Which is the complete opposite of your attitude this game. Oats I have to agree with FiveTouch completely on this one, and its NOT sheeping Night 1 I I raised points about your character: even a guy like me with bad reads noted the complete drop in aggression. The games I seen you play prior, you were fast and loose and would go after anything and everything. Perfect example is your reaction in NewbieXXXV during the Day1/Night 1. You made cases/voted on like 5 people in a couple hours. This game, I have noted you have picked and chosen when to display your aggression. Quite often I notice you make an aggressive post,and then back down. There is a distinct lack of follow through (which was also noted in my points about you). I had a quick check of your filter, and still see nothing that directly indicates your scum reads. If you want to take it further, the FT quotes comparing you talking to CC and JX, are a complete change in style. Considering I just played a game with Town oats, I feel confident that you accusing CC as scum from 2 posts *IS* your standard way to think. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 24 2013 00:15 Vivax wrote: @ FT Can you assume that Oats isn't scum for a moment and take a look at Toad? Thanks. You also posted a somewhat-read about gonzaw, but you aren't interested in hearing opinions about him?Or asking him questions? Where is gonzaw anyway? Why would I assume someone isn't mafia when they are likely to be mafia? There's absolutely no reason for me to be looking at Toad. It's completely irrelevant. | ||
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Vivax
22414 Posts
On January 23 2013 16:12 Toadesstern wrote: wouldn't mind lynching into either gonzaw or Annul today. Have to reread a bit because they kind of rule out each other... Anyways doublelynch tomorrow should be voted for. On January 23 2013 20:45 Toadesstern wrote: I don't think it's a slip at all. Not sure who I'd want to lynch first at all. I'm trying to figure out how likely it is that mafia shot like total retards (besides the Sandro hit that ist) on purpose to make us think about someone else who might be mafia within the vets, which is the reason we're talking about gonzaw to begin with. gonzaw looks / looked a townie so far and I really thought he'd die as a secondary target as you can see when you're reading the logs between Sandro and myself. And Sandro agreed so that's one of the reaons I'm talking about Gonzaw right now. Annul's posts are awful in general. The ones he did on d1 didn't contribute or were trollish (the combination of both is what's troublesome). Like the wifom-picture post, like his very first (or 2nd?) post "causually" asking why I'm not considering to vote him instead of Sandro. And now he's basicly ragequitting although he's still hanging in here. That's at least something good I guess. On top of that I just never agreed with a single read he did. Saying I'm mafia d1, I think he said you (Vivax) are mafia d1 as well when EVERYONE agreed that you're one of the most townish looking guys around. Check my first log for timestamps on when I said something about you... like 3 hours into the game it was already certain for me, and for Sandro as well. He was wasting his vote by putting it on himself and he was against the prplhz lynch. This town needs help. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
JX, I was a bystander and felt that it might snowball. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On January 23 2013 12:11 Stutters695 wrote: Well this is interesting with debears. When I was reading filters before the night post I noticed he wasn't his usually spammy self. Then I saw the post saying that he didn't sPam because this isn't a mini. Makes sense but his play still doesn't feel quite like what I remember of his nor his posting in the large game he mentioned. In addition to being more active (albeit not spammy) he was constantly asking questions, debating, and pushing reads. This game feels like he's pushed a meta "read" that was him just promising stuff d2 + 1 scummy post from djo. Since then he's talked policy, said I'd be a better vig than lynch and not much else. A far cry from what I've seen in his town games. Since he is a bg though that makes me not as sure of this because if he got lynched and I'm wrong we just killed a bg for nothing. Debears I'd like to see what you would have posted about djo had he not flipped. What made you think he was scum? Reposting, would like an answer Debears. | ||
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