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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
You didn't save the guy you consider to be the best townie in this game to jail whom? Bugs? I'm not buying it. That isn't solid play and doesn't align with your view on sandro. This makes sense for Toad to do because he trusted Sandro's judgement on who to jail cause wifom, etc. Sandro happened to be wrong and died, but that doesnt make Toad scum because he didnt protect Sandro. Actually it makes him more townie cause he listened to Sandro, his so extremely town read. | ||
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Vivax
22393 Posts
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now. | ||
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Vivax
22393 Posts
You asked me a question, why so disinterested now? What's your take on Toad, gonzaw, yamato and annul? You think I'm town? | ||
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Vivax
22393 Posts
[22.01.2013 19:17:56] Erik: I'd like annul lynch the most [22.01.2013 19:18:04] Erik: and a bunch oats has done recently looks townisch [22.01.2013 19:18:07] Erik: *townish [22.01.2013 19:18:18] Erik: I really don't see him pushing gonzaw out of all the people if he's mafia Strange things to say considering your latest insecurity about who to lynch first between annul and gonzaw when asked. Care to tell us why Oats is town for pushing gonzaw? [22.01.2013 19:28:09] Erik: the way it's worded I can't jail before n2... [22.01.2013 19:28:11] Erik: "You are able to PM me during the day with a player to be incarcerated that night." [22.01.2013 19:28:27] Erik: if I have to pm him during the day I can't pm him before d2 for the n2 protections What did BC respond to this? Although he probably let Toad jail nonetheless. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
Not disinterested, just IRL stuff.. these are the thoughts in my head without reading filters.. take it as you want.. im more a gut feeling player anyways (which is prob why my reads are so fucked) Toad: Hes probably town for me; when he speaks freely/quickly I find him a bit erratic but its prob more to do with frustration. But every once in a while he says something that just makes me want to cast doubt. Regardless, if I was to judge his actions overall, off a whim, I think town motives. Gonzaw: I was about to start reading his filter, but since you asked, my impressions as of now are: made a good impression on me at first, and was one of the only vets responding to me.. as FT came about, he has really faded. AND IIRC he hasnt followed up on his promises (reads etc). My other issue with Gonzaw is association with prplhz... b4 prplhz had heat on him, Gonzaw was one of the ppl he was soft "buddying" to. ATM null, need to confirm if the (lack of) follow ups are correct. Yamato: hes got a pretty hot-head.. I *Assume* as scum would be hard for him to control the emotion.. so far he has swapped gears quite a lot; has tried to contribute here and there; but i dont think he ever followed up on u.. perhaps due to Toads insistence.. i would say leaning town. Annul: I haven't paid attention to him Day1, just the interplay between him and bugs today.. even with bugs persistence, i thought his ragequit was over the top; have to read the filter, but off that ragequit i would say leaning scum. Vivax: No fucking idea.. somethings you do just put so much public attention in my head only a VT would do that.. but then, some of the your actions just dont agree with me so I think scum.. but thats a gut feeling and prob just means i don't (personally) like your style.. one thing i learnt was, if a guy is really pissing you off, hes prob town... so based on that heuristic, i will say town  Grush: Even though you didnt ask, and i dont want to sound like im tunneling. I really dont like whats hes doing. Hes ignored my pressure (what ever) but coming in with the yamato mason stuff was just foreplay..im still waiting for the good stuff.. I cant even see a reason to have masoned yamato anyways, the whole thing is as odd as the NKs .. i mean.. djo was making some sense at the end.. but fuckn JX? Im going to read Annul/Gonzaw filter now, and hopefully dont fall asleep. | ||
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Vivax
22393 Posts
If you lean scum on him, why don't you try to gather information from him? Why was the Djo NK making sense? I'm looking forward to your analysis of Annul and gonzaw. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
I didnt like him day 1, a lot of him game IIRC was prodding and asking others for assessment. Night1 he came back with his own reads. They didnt appear far fetched, so to me, he was making sense. Noted on those 2, will look at it shortly, still doing other stuff. Vivax.. whats your take on yamato? | ||
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Vivax
22393 Posts
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 23 2013 22:10 Vivax wrote: I don't think there was a vig shot. Town vigs usually claim, anything else is detrimental. In BloodyC0bbler's last normal game, there was a multi-shot vigilante. Toad, you should have protected sandroba, but it doesn't matter now. Usually protecting the obvious target is the correct play, precisely because you end up wifoming yourself out of protecting the player that actually needs protecting. With annul, there's a fair chance he's mafia. He refuses to contribute other than to speculate pointlessly, and repeatedly, on setup, or to make useless asides. It's made worse by the fact I explained to him about his play and he doesn't care. Nonetheless, there's something that makes me feel quite uncomfortable about him. I don't know how to express is very well. In any case, if he continues to play in a mafia-oriented fashion, we should lynch him as part of our double-lynch tomorrow. gonzaw/Oatsmaster is where I'm struggling right now. I had been giving gonzaw vague townie points for a couple of reasons: he spread his suspicion around quite a bit, which he tends to more as town, and he's far more tunnelly as mafia. For a prime example of this - Liar Game - where he tunnelled Cephiro over multiple cycles to the detriment of anything else. This is mitigated, as bugs notes, by the fact that he hasn't really pushed *hard* at anyone. The second reason, and the one you can see why I'm struggling, is his suspicions of Oatsmaster, which I share. Specifically, Oatsmaster's emotional attitude and reactions. Oatsmaster, in his past games, has been in great danger of being lynched as town and mafia. As town in one of his newbie games, he almost got lynched and only saved himself with a claim. The following game he got lynched as mafia. It's notable how little he defended himself in the game as town where he almost got lynched - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381931&user=286833 Read through his filter and you'll probably struggle to work out where/when he was getting lynched, right up until the point he claimed to save himself. On November 29 2012 21:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Personal attacks are not cool yamato. This is an OMGUS vote on me by the way. This is about as aggressive as he got at any point during the game. Here is the game he got lynched as mafia - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389&user=286833 Read it for yourselves, it's painfully obvious he's getting lynched. Look at his aggression, and his comments on sheeping: On December 05 2012 14:28 Oatsmaster wrote: We have a sheep in the house people. What do you think of kickstart's vote on Rad and Rad himself? On December 05 2012 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Also kickstart, if am I 'OBVIOUS' scum, why isnt your vote on me? 1 person and a sheep already voted for me, join the ez wagon. On December 05 2012 15:27 Oatsmaster wrote: Fucking atrocious case kickstart, almost as bad as the one you posted one me last game. On December 06 2012 09:00 Oatsmaster wrote: I cant sleep guys? Seriously this is full of bullshit. WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR ME? Is it because herp derp 180 yamato? Because thats worse than what you guys wouldve lynched me for last game. Fucking sheep led by kickstart Let's make a comparison to this game: On January 21 2013 11:21 Oatsmaster wrote: So many people sheeping 'Fivetouch' Gonna be a good game huh. On January 21 2013 11:58 Oatsmaster wrote: What does 5touch have done to deserve the mayorial position? Is it because all of you agree with his reads? Or think he is town? Cause all I see in his filter is a lot of 1 liners and not much else. FiveTouch./Everyone sheeping him. On January 21 2013 17:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Who is currently running for mayor other than the retards who want to lynch me? I probably don't have to explain the point I'm getting at here. There's anothing thing too - as town, Oatsmaster is suspicious of people right out the gate. In Chrono Trigger, Oatsmaster was suspicious of people immediately, and made the first real case of the game. In the just finished Newbie XXXV, again he was suspicious of Mocsta immediately and proceeded to make a case. In his mafia game he was not suspicious of anybody for a long time. Witness what he said: On December 05 2012 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote: I automatically assume everyone is town, then get scumreads. Anyway this is one of his first posts in another game, next to a post from this game: On November 25 2012 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote: I got a scum feeling from cheesecake with his first 2 posts, I suggest we lynch him On January 20 2013 21:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont feel confident lynching JieXian off 2 posts... He has expressed delight in 2 players for mayor and hasnt expanded or anything. Regardless, Isnt it quick to vilify him so quickly? Seriously. I'm going to copy paste these again next to each other just in case you missed them. On November 25 2012 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote: I got a scum feeling from cheesecake with his first 2 posts, I suggest we lynch him On January 20 2013 21:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont feel confident lynching JieXian off 2 posts... He has expressed delight in 2 players for mayor and hasnt expanded or anything. Regardless, Isnt it quick to vilify him so quickly? There is a complete lack of suspicion in the early game here that is demonstrably present in the games he's played town. Usually Oatsmaster is the first to be suspicious of people, here he comes out the gate defending people. He was suspicious of nobody (except us retards who wanted to lynch him) until he agreed with austin on Stutters. Anyway, gonzaw. His prplhz stuff looks bad, although to be fair he's not the only one. The problem with gonzaw is that he should really know better. On January 21 2013 13:48 gonzaw wrote: I don't really agree with a prplhz lynch this D1 though. It seems like his normal play, and I don't think there's much to go on to be sure he's scum this game. He's not the paragon of townieness but I don't remember him being so in any town game from his (granted I only obsed games he played, I don't remember playing with him I think). There are better candidates out there. On January 22 2013 05:11 gonzaw wrote: Some of the reasoning behind his prplhz case seems like grasping at straws. The "he was against policy lynches before and now he wanted to 'policy lynch' chezinu" is not alignment indicative in my mind, few townies have the same exact thoughts in every game. I know I changed my mind about lots of things in different games, and I wouldn't expect that to be used either for or against me. Although it's true prplhz hasn't done much though. I don't know why he wants to vote me since the game started, but hasn't even voted me nor really shown. prplhz hasn't done much in contributing and seemed to be defending himself more, but for me his lynch right now is like a shot in the dark mostly because of that. I can see him flipping town, if he has to spend time defending himself instead of contributing. There's one other post I've had written down since I read it in Day 1, On January 21 2013 14:35 gonzaw wrote: Well, I had my "campaign" post premade as well + Show Spoiler + Well, actually I had another one premade, but before the game started I lost it so I had to make it again when the game started  I didn't mention anything about trying to become mayor (and that I had a campaign already made) in pre-game, you know....in case I got scum and wouldn't run for mayor I have a feeling Vivax may have done something similar. There's this gut feeling that tells me scum Vivax wouldn't instantly post that campaign post as soon as the game started if he saw his "You are scum!" Pm in his inbox, and maybe likely wouldn't even post it at all (and just trash it). It's speculation based on what I would think scum Vivax would do, which may not be much but it doesn't mean what Toad said is "completely bullshit". I didn't like the bolded at all, casually suggesting he wouldn't have ran for mayor as mafia. I absolutely believe gonzaw would run for mayor as mafia, so this looks quite bad to me. In any case, I can't make a decision on these two until later. Although I still think Oatsmaster is more likely to flip mafia right now. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
If you dont want to talk about Yamato.. how about share some vet insight on the grush/yamato mason. I dont care if the mason is scum/town at this point.. why would a mason want to contact yamato at that point in the game? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I can defend whoever I want against anyone, especially against the fallacies that you posted earlier. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 23 2013 23:07 Vivax wrote: [22.01.2013 19:17:49] Erik: yeah I agree [22.01.2013 19:17:56] Erik: I'd like annul lynch the most [22.01.2013 19:18:04] Erik: and a bunch oats has done recently looks townisch [22.01.2013 19:18:07] Erik: *townish [22.01.2013 19:18:18] Erik: I really don't see him pushing gonzaw out of all the people if he's mafia Strange things to say considering your latest insecurity about who to lynch first between annul and gonzaw when asked. Care to tell us why Oats is town for pushing gonzaw? [22.01.2013 19:28:09] Erik: the way it's worded I can't jail before n2... [22.01.2013 19:28:11] Erik: "You are able to PM me during the day with a player to be incarcerated that night." [22.01.2013 19:28:27] Erik: if I have to pm him during the day I can't pm him before d2 for the n2 protections What did BC respond to this? Although he probably let Toad jail nonetheless. not strange at all if you consider the timestampt. That's during n1. Not during d2. The reasoning for oats being more likely town (I never said town btw although I would be willing to rethink that) as in less likely mafia is mentioned in the thread by me at least 3 times I think. I'm not going to quote it again. Oh and bugs said it at least once as well. And I think it's in the log as well but I'm not actually sure about that one. He said I was able to jail, but at a time I already went to bed. Read: I'm not allowed to tell you when I received pm from hosts but I wasn't in here anymore and I went to bed about 1 and a half hour before the deadline hit, so go figure. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On January 23 2013 23:29 FiveTouch wrote: With annul, there's a fair chance he's mafia. He refuses to contribute other than to speculate pointlessly, and repeatedly, on setup, or to make useless asides. It's made worse by the fact I explained to him about his play and he doesn't care. Nonetheless, there's something that makes me feel quite uncomfortable about him. I don't know how to express is very well. In any case, if he continues to play in a mafia-oriented fashion, we should lynch him as part of our double-lynch tomorrow. who didnt see this coming please dont smurf next time, or if you do, tell me its you, so i can /out before the game. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Trying to play better, IE not be so fucking stupid about people. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On January 23 2013 23:33 annul wrote: who didnt see this coming please dont smurf next time, or if you do, tell me its you, so i can /out before the game. Annul sorry this is important for a guy like me who doesnt have context. You and Palmar seem to have a history? Whats the cause for the /out? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 23 2013 23:39 Mocsta wrote: Annul sorry this is important for a guy like me who doesnt have context. You and Palmar seem to have a history? Whats the cause for the /out? palmar kind of did a hitler video about Annul and me once :3 | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On January 21 2013 11:21 Oatsmaster wrote: So many people sheeping 'Fivetouch' Gonna be a good Game huh. On January 21 2013 11:58 Oatsmaster wrote: What does 5touch have done to deserve the mayorial position? Is it because all of you agree with his reads? Or think he is town? Cause all I see in his filter is a lot of 1 liners and not much else. FiveTouch./Everyone sheeping him. Do you deny that people were sheeping you 5touch? Do you deny the fact that your filter as of then was a lot of 1 liners. Not that it made you look scum, I just didnt see the content that I would expect someone who got like 3-4 quick votes to have. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On January 23 2013 23:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Anyway, just to give some context, my last game was almost a month and a half ago, Im going to return the favour, and take this as an honest mistake. We just played in a game together last week... NewbieXXXV... FiveTouch even referenced you and me bickering in it. | ||
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Vivax
22393 Posts
CTRL-F all of the things he quotes and says about Oats and proceed to lynch him. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On January 23 2013 23:40 Toadesstern wrote: palmar kind of did a hitler video about Annul and me once :3 OK. so nothing to do with Palmar has super reads on Annul? | ||
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